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Perhaps you are right and this price is crasy, in accordance with the economy and the sony, but how is it that Canon can charge 8000.00 and no one blinks, and it doesnt even focus properly as compared to previous model???

Has Canon lowered the price of the 1ds (top tier) whatever it is to factor in the competition from the sony and tough economic times???

Regards, Ben
 
I see from above link to B and H that the 1ds mk III Is now going for

$ 6,679.95 It is not that old, so it's drastic drop in price is probably atributed to it's focus/QC issues as much as anything else....

Regards, Ben
 
Depending on the country's VAT, the European list price of the D1sIII, listed on the official Canon website, is still around $11'000. The current US web dealer price is certainly a lot lower than that but the 3Dx's $8'000 is the list price of a yet unreleased camera. After the initial demand is satisified, the price will slowly go down. Frankly, this forum's reaction to the price reminds me of old people who are scared of peaceful hippies.
 
Fair enough, but at least be consistent with your price comparisons.

If we are talking about US prices:
1DsIII - $6700 (street)
D3x - $8000 (list)

European prices:
1DsIII - $10,000 (you claim)
D3x - $9755 (list, using current conversion rates)

The actual price differential is much smaller than you suggest. At any rate, I think $8000 is too much for the camera just like I think $8000 list is too much for a 1DsIII. Given some time I expect the D3x to fall to about $6500 street, US - which is roughly what the 1DsIII is selling for new.

However when the 1DsIV is released, expect street price to surge back up to $8000.
Fred Ferkel said:
Depending on the country's VAT, the European list price of the
D1sIII, listed on the official Canon website, is still around
$11'000. The current US web dealer price is certainly a lot lower
than that but the 3Dx's $8'000 is the list price of a yet unreleased
camera. After the initial demand is satisified, the price will slowly
go down. Frankly, this forum's reaction to the price reminds me of
old people who are scared of peaceful hippies.
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Amateurs worry about sharpness
Professionals worry about sales
Photographers worry about light

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Nikon have posted a few sample images from the D3x. For those who haven't seen them yet, they're here:

http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/digitalcamera/slr/d3x/sample.htm

They are AMAZING! I do a lot of landscape, and for me the fine detail, eg, blades of grass in a field, makes or breaks the difference. That's why a lot of landscape pros still shoot 4x5 film.

But the D3x delivers! the detail on these images gets a big WOW!

Is the camera worth $8.000? Sure, easily, for those in either the well-heeled or imaging professional categories. A bargain even, as many have pointed out, compared to MF.

I want! But as an amateur, I'm not going to spend that kind of money. What I will do is wait for the d700x, for, I hope, under 5 grand. Or maybe 3 grand, or even less. But no, I will not spend 8 large at this time.

But those images! Warning: the files are HUGE. I'm still waiting for the rest of them to load as I write this. Ah, there it is...

Expensive toys. Very expensive. It will make a nice Christmas gift for some. And I agree with the others who predict the D3x will fly off the shelves, for a few months at least, at $8K.
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Tom B
 
The Canon 1DsMkIII was relased when the competition on that segment was non-existent, the MP cameras still around 20-30 mp of resolution, and in a growing and enthusiastic market. It was a pioneer in resolution, with no rival to be seen, both in format and in mp count. The D3x has none of those advantages, it seems old before its lunching (the Body of the D3!), has the same mp count of cameras costing on third, comes out in a collapsing market, and faces new very aggressive MP cameras. I don't see how the situations can be compared...
Benjamin Franklin Gates said:
I see from above link to B and H that the 1ds mk III Is now going for
$ 6,679.95 It is not that old, so it's drastic drop in price is
probably atributed to it's focus/QC issues as much as anything
else....

Regards, Ben
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Se potessi aveeeere... mille euro al meeeese...
 
Toermalijn said:
To be fair, both the sony a900 and the canon 5dII can't compete image
quality wise. it is truely leaps over the a900!
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Then you will certainly sign up for a $1000 (USD) bet that says you can't pick out the difference between the two images shot in a blind comparison test.

The IQ is the SAME as good quality conversions from the Alpha 900. Yes it's awesome -- and so is the 900.
 
be so outraged if that's what the price was, even if that would be overpriced. Nikon apparently think they are a medium format wannabe to charge this price, but are they as good? I dount they are, and I douubt they are that much better than the 5d II and the a900... that's why I'm annoyed.
 
Is this a serious statement?

"For $8000 there better be no noise at 1600"

Perhaps you missed the boat on what the camera will generally be used for. If you want a low light champion look at the D3/D700.

This is not to be compared to the A900, the Sony is NOTHING compared to the Nikon. Nor is the 5DMII. Prosumer bodies do not belong in the ring with Pro.

Bottom line is that if you think it is a crazy price, thats great. Everyone at this point likely will, unless it means something to them to have the camera and they will buy it. If you are currently shooting a D40 or D300 even ... you likely aren't looking at the D3x as your next upgrade anyway. So do yourself a favor, get off the computer ... go and grab your camera ... stop wasting time arguing about how much money you don't have ... and concentrate on taking great pictures with the camera you DO have.

End Rant.
 
  • Same Sensor
Wrong, totally different sensor.
  • Same performance
Wrong, completely different performance. Different camera classes, though.
  • Built-in IS with all lenses
That doesn't work as well as VR. Wicked.
  • Smaller body (or you can get a VG if you like)
Crapier build quality in comparison to the D3x. Again, to be expected it is a pro-sumer camera after all.
  • Less than 1/2 price!
Please see last sentence above. Duh!
  • Won't mount your Nikon Lenses though. . .
I wouldn't mount a Nikkor piece of glass on any Sony camera. That is like asking a hot chick to walk around with an ugly mask on.
 
perceptioniskey said:
  • Same Sensor
Wrong, totally different sensor.
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Incorrect. Not totally different. Looks to be essentially a larger D300 sensor. Nikon said it's based off A900 sensor.
perceptioniskey said:
  • Same performance
Wrong, completely different performance. Different camera classes,
though.
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Agreed, although the equal frame rate and the A900s larger viewfinder make the D3x look bad at that price.
perceptioniskey said:
  • Built-in IS with all lenses
That doesn't work as well as VR. Wicked.
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Silly. VR may work slightly better at the long end, but SSS works with all lenses. Having a stabilized 24-70 is great.
perceptioniskey said:
  • Smaller body (or you can get a VG if you like)
Crapier build quality in comparison to the D3x. Again, to be expected
it is a pro-sumer camera after all.
  • Less than 1/2 price!
Please see last sentence above. Duh!
  • Won't mount your Nikon Lenses though. . .
I wouldn't mount a Nikkor piece of glass on any Sony camera. That is
like asking a hot chick to walk around with an ugly mask on.
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The sensors may not be exactly the same but remarkably similar because Sony probably had a hand in making it. So what? Sony makes great sensors and has been making sensors for Nikon for many years.

As for the performance I think he was referring to the 5 FPS which is the same as what Nikon is claiming.

Nikon is making a great camera in the D3x and just because it might use a Sony sensor does not take away that fact.

Sony also makes a great camera in the A900 and for $5000 less I'm sure that may be very appealing to some that don't have a big investment in a Nikon lens system and don't need the pro level features.
 
My apologies, I do not mean to BASH anyone. I am merely trying to make sure that people are comparing apples to apples and not Beef Jerky to Filet Mignon. There is a ton of misinformation out there, primarily because some people open their mouth and just spew it.

Agreed Sony has made some decent chips, but they have also made some not-so-decent chips. Not unlike a lot of other companies.

The A900 is not and should not be considered to be in the same field as the D3 or D3x. Totally different beasts. That was the point of my post.
 
as being "incredibly well built". IQ is likely to be much better in the Nikon but there's no point in being a fanboy when you compare the two.
 
sony made a nice camera, but the jpgs are ridiculously bad in terms of texture detail (watercolory, terrible noise performance) - they have the same processing as the cheapest sony compact. Raw is much better, but my guess is the d3x will be a lot better iq wise than the sony. Sony does a good job for a newcomer for sure, but it is not nikon in terms of experience when it comes to camera design or camera technology. It's not canon either, quality wise. I applaud nikon for such a strong comeback.

I have invested in canon glass so i will buy the 5d II, 2500 euro for a package that does it all; 21 mp, iso 50-25600 and ful hd video.

Not that i need it, i am still very very happy with the 5d mark I

sorry if i insult anyone by posting on the nikon forum as a canon user, i've always liked nikon body design and image quality as well. As for sony, they are not quite there for me. But competition is good, very good. I can't remember the camera market being so interesting...

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Maybe "crappier" was the best word.

The D700 for example is very well built. The D2x was a tank. The D3x is as well. Better than the A900. Again, not a matter or opinion. Your comparing a Prosumer body to a Pro, it is to be expected.
 
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