Lloydy, Kim and certain others...

PAUL TILL said:

Ron_M said:

Complaint filed for flaming!

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PAUL TILL said:

I don't really care what you think and I've been on these forums for over 12 years.

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Ron,

You earlier stated:

"I will not post here as there are a couple of posters here that just
seem to criticize and tear apart the images in a condescending way.
I’ve just purchased the S100FS and will not post images here because
of that attitude here and I may just forget this forum altogether
because of a couple of posters here"

Ron, if you are going to leave the forum why are you bothered about
who says what to who?

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Because I thought maybe you took too much flack from a few on here and enough is enough, but I was wrong; you may be just like the few who slag people

PAUL TILL said:

Has anyone criticized any of your pictures?

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I apologize for defending the people that have been picked on including you.
Have great day.

PAUL TILL said:

When it finally stops raining I intend to take some pictures,
(provided I manage to capture one that doesn't have a purple lining)
I shall put it on here for people to comment on. I will try some of
the different settings others have suggested here in this forum and
see what happens.
If the general census is that it's cr@p I am sure I will be told why
and where I have gone wrong. I also hope I will be told how I could
have made it better.

Regards

Paul.

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Ron,

Thank you for thinking of my feelings but I have not been upset by any of the comments directed towards me.

If someone does rub me up the wrong way like Greg did I will just give as good as I get.

I am not in the habit of sl@gging people off and I do not wish to offend you either.

It would be great if you decide to stay in the forum as you, like me have only just purchased your S100FS and I'm sure we can all learn from each other.

Regards

Paul.

Comments in text for clarity.

Ron_M said:

tdkd13 said:

12 years and still so sensitive? Since you are perfectly capable of
not caring what I say, why are you having such a hard time ignoring
those whom you should also be perfectly capable of ignoring.

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None of your business.

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Fair enough, I don't require an answer, the lack of one is answer enough.

One thing of note, you said you had been around these forums for 12 years but as I recall DPReview just had its 10 year anniversary, were you here all alone the first two years and suddenly a domain arose around you?

Ron_M said:

Ron_M said:

For those that might actually be looking for needles of information
in the haystack of forum postings it should be each individual
readers perogative to pick and choose what they wish to read and what
the wish to ignore. Pestering the fine folks at DPReview with
constant hand wringings about supposed slights only takes their time
away from addressing potential "real" issues as they look into all
the "he made me feel silly" complaints. Why not simply utilize the
same apathy you used towards my post to any of Kim's posts and allow
those that have learned a thing or two from him to continue to do so.
Of course this is all purely rhetorical as you undoubtedly feel
wronged and only the stiff boot of authority will fix that wrong for
you, correct?

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That's your opinion only. As you can see I'm not the only one fed up
with this stuff. And you can also choose not read my posts.

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And as you can see there have been numerous others who have mentioned that they have learned from Kim, I count myself one of them. Your correct, I can choose to disregard your posts and that is certainly an option any of us has. What your calling for though is not to simply disregard or ignore someones posts, but a more concerted effort to take that option away from some of us who see value there. I'll undestand if you choose not to respond, I may not have been shooting for 55 years as you claim but I have been around long enough to realize I likely wont change your mind and I can guarantee you mine won't waver on this subject. I'm pretty much against most forms of censorship wherever possible.
Ted

Ron_M said:

Ron_M said:

Take care, Ted

Ron_M said:

I don't really care what you think and I've been on these forums for
over 12 years.

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my posts on here are few and far between, but i have to agree with Ted on this....If you dont like what people post "Kim"......dont read it..ignore it.....I my self was bombarded by Kim and Ted just a few months ago when i first started posting on here and i got very very frusterated about it....but after i calmed down i did realize they did have some very good advice and i have learned a lot from them since then.
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You've all lost out.















I'm so grateful, this thread really made my last 2 days.
I'm not only ROFL but PMP (p!ssing my pants) as well.

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This is just one of Kim's type of pics... judge for yourselves! I needn't say more!! He finds such pics very impressive. And he claimed in a clash with me that he couldn't see any noise in this one! Can you believe that?!! Maybe his D300 at ISO 6400 is indeed noiseless... as is clearly evident in this pic of his!!

http://letkeman.net/Photos/freshsnow07/DSC0285_walkway2

Kim... you're really dim!

I pity you... you neeeeeed help!

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I guess you did not expect it turned out to be a Kim bashing thread.

I am risking to lose my peaceful (relatively speaking) life here in this forum, but

I do think it is about time to put and end to this thread, not fair to Kim, those who do not like him can press compliant button in his future posts and have him banned if his behavior is not acceptable here.

To be fair, many of us (old timers of the FTF) did learn (photographic related technical stuff) a little here and a little there from him in the past.

A well respected talented poster who seldom posting here anymore, told me that Kim was properly one of the best in PP in this forum and he had learnt from him too. That poster was not the only poster who admitted learning PP skills from Kim, several posters also told me similar things in their emails to me. Kim won some photo contests in the past and there is no doubt of his genuine interest in photography.

As for his relationship with others here, I do agree not very smooth, I also had a fight with him once long time ago. He is certainly not 100% correct every time, but I guess he did not persist to argue, most of the time he did back his points with proof, whether they were 100% valid is not important issue here. I aslo subtlely suggested to him to be a little easy on other posters, not all of us are of the same technical level.

Not trying to be poticially correctly, I have also learned some and received many value information from Dave inspite of his relatively short posting history here. I enjoy viewing his Thai pictures.

All in all, I wish we all can control ourselves a little now. It is not a political forum. Have fun, to learn and to share with others here.

Happy Thanksgiving to American and Canadian posters here. Hopefully peace with us soon.

ukwoody said:

Guys, this is NOT just aimed at those named above. Over the past few
days (especially), there really has been an awful lot of sniping,
back biting, spiteful and, general provocative comments aimed at
various persons.

PLEASE, lets recognise that we all have talents and are all entitled
to our views.

Several of you really do have a lot an awful lot of knowledge, that
many of us can, and do, learn from. Your comments, expertise and
experience are invaluable to this forum, others, and each other.

Pulling holes in one anothers comments is wasting your talents. Just
because say Dave likes bright Hues, and Kim doesn't, doesn't mean
either is right or wrong and, with every respect you can both be
right - and wrong- at the same time.

I speak from personal experience when I say, if forums like this
become breeding grounds for bad attitude and behaviour, it belittles
the very value of both this forum and photography as a hobby. And
people leave because they get fed up with it. Which really is a total
waste.

A good debate is fantastic. A bad tempered point scoring exrcise is
not.

So come on, it's a month to Crimbo, lets all try to be more tolerant
and understanding of each other and not goad each other into more
comments!

Woody
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You have attempted, as have a few others, to take the thread from the ridiculous (x100) to the sublime ... I appreciate your contributions to the forum as do many others.

Yes, we have argued in the past ... but we didn't call each other names, we do not dislike each other (well, I suppose I can only speak for myself), and we have been civil in all our interactions since we established a bit of a rapport. The same goes for Ted and me, and Packy and me and probably quite a few others.

That's how it is when alpha males meet and learn to coexist.

And one further note (and I deeply apologize for what I am about to do to your very nice olive branch): it is the weak males who slink back now and again to pee all over the alphas' (note the plural) territory in frustration ...

Am I ever going to take a beating for that last sentence

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Kim Letkeman said:

(4) Regarding my "harsh" criticism. If you want only attaboys and
cannot brook any suggestion that you work might no be perfect, then
don't read me. I have actually toned it down lately, trying to be
more "clinical" ... we'll see where that goes. But I don't plan to
become a sycophant to assuage a few fragile egos.

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Just a little comment on this paragraph, as I think this is a cruxial point in this "pro-Kim versus contra-Kim" debate.

Kim, I'm fairly new to this forum and to photography (I'd rather call it "advanced snap-shooting" in my case) in general. When I first came to this forum, I thought your comments were condescending. Looking back now, I'm not sure if you meant to appear condescending at all. But back then, that was what it sounded like. Maybe that's because of your eloquence, maybe that's because you're a very direct person, maybe that's because you heard the same wrong statements too often and maybe, well... maybe you are condescending

When argueing, you're using rather high language. Being a non-native speaker myself, I can understand that this can sound intimmidating and offensive. Not everyone can debate at this level, which would be some sort of explanation for the name-calling you're experiencing. Concerning the facts, I think your points are accurate and valid > 95% of the time. That's an impressive amount which I'd only attribute to Ted and you. But if you're honest, you know that you're not only argueing on the objective level, but also on the level of eloquence. Most people (unfortunatelly not all of them) do not have a problem when being proved wrong on a basis of facts. But you also prove that they fail to debate in general (which, in my opinion wouldn't be necessary when already being right on the facts). And I think that's why there is such a high number of "Kim-haters" here.

I said that because I noticed (most other don't seem to have noticed that unfortunatelly) you toned it down lately, and I appreciate that. And personally I really like reading everything you write now and do not have any problem with you at all (hope this doesn't change now and hope you don't misunderstand my comment). I also see that you try to answer each post as if it were the person's first post, and I appreciate that also and wished, others would do the same when answering to your posts, and not try to fight some old wars and attack you right away.

Just my 2 cents though. Take the Chill-pill everyone!

Atleast not from me. I have wisdom beyond my years in that I can recognize what to pay attention to and what not to. It's just a simple judgement call. If we can't dissagree and live with each other then we will not exist. BTW Kim, nice shot of the snow!

Peyton
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Hiya MrClick,

As you're reacting to MY post.

MrClick #421805 said:

This is just one of Kim's type of pics... judge for yourselves!
needn't say more!! He finds such pics very impressive. And he claimed
in a clash with me that he couldn't see any noise in this one! Can
you believe that?!! Maybe his D300 at ISO 6400 is indeed noiseless...
as is clearly evident in this pic of his!!

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NOW, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THIS IS ONE OF Kim' s posts/pictures.

Mr Click, you're jumping to conclusions again !!!!

Please check out the name above the post.

Furthermore, i rest my case, This thread has officially gone down the tube.

MrClick #421805 said:

Kim... you're really dim!

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Uncalled for.

MrClick #421805 said:

I pity you... you neeeeeed help! ORRRRRR, is it me???

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Again, Uncalled for.

MrClick #421805 said:

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I still wish peace can be restored here in the future, forgive and forget. Takes time I guess.

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Yes, I am in tears after reading this extra-long thread as I find I may be the only newbie that Kim hasn't attacked, or hasn't run away.

Kim, how could you do this to me? How could you so brazingly ruin my life on the FTF, short as it may be? Why did you step-up and help me? It..it..it must be the alpha-dog in you, helping a helpless little blonde bitc*. Wolf, wolf.

Thanks for ruining my life, Kim.

MOMMY!!!!
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... Thought I may say something, seeing as my name has been on the front page for a few days now.

First, I am a proud Fuji owner. I own the S100fs and, recently, the A850 and I enjoy them, and they deliver.

To be honest, I was surprised and also dismayed that Mark would put my name on the list as, literally, there is only one person on this forum I have harsh words with.

Mark, I do not know why you did this but, I feel, it was totally inappropriate and based on a very poor knowledge of this forum.

I post images from my Fuji's and advise folk on how to get the most from them. I may not be the technical expert, but I do know how to make them work.

From my perspective, if someone has no demonstrable skill, and no real-life knowledge with these cameras, then they add no value whatever to the equation.

So many times I have challenged as to what is stated is wrong, only to be told that I am technically inept and a LIAR. The criticism has been with far, far stronger vitriol than I have thrown back or, here, been accused of.

If you wonder why I throw back posts with obvious disdain, then have a look back through the past six months history.

However, all in all, if you wish text book advice - not experiential, then stick with the advice you get and the best of luck.

Almost anytime I have extolled the S100 fs virtues, I get thrown back that a, or any, DSLR would do it better.

For me, the S100fs is a fantastic tool which cannot be replicated with a single DSLR solution.

I have owned DSLR's and come out the other side, poorer and wiser. I am not rubbishing them but, for me, they have no value whatever.

After all, this is the Fuji Talk Forum to discuss Fuji cameras. You may see it differently.

However, seriously, I have mulled over - Why do I bother ?

After some e-mail exchanges, from a few folk here, I have decided I will still help, where I can, and post images I take with my Fuji's.

If you have an interest in this, then participate. If not, I do not really mind either way.

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Dave, this thread was not designed to polarize people into the "I Like him" and the "I do not like him" camps. Actually for once I feel sorry for Kim as I feel he has bourne the brunt of this - and like him or not, it is not fair to pick on any one person.

The reason I put your name up there, wasn't out of spite or dislike, actually I like your work and comments - it was because in the last two threads (at that time) several people - but especially you and Kim - were basically hi-jacking threads with claims and counter claims which was leading to the total demise of sense and purpose to the original posters question/point.

You WEREN'T the only ones, but I deliberatly put your names up there to try and provock a response so we could all agree to disagree and respect others views - without down right slagging each other off. I am not getting into the "whole threw the first stone" issue on this.

Wheter you like it or not, both you and Kim are high profile people on here and must take some responsibility for the words you write.

The WHOLE POINT of this thread was to try and bring some form of harmony so that we can ALL enjoy this forum and ALL learn from one another. In 20 or so years of forums, and before that Bulletein boards, I have rarely seen such personal abuse thrown by so many people at so many. It WILL lead to the demise of the forum eventually.

What I am asking, is for EVERYONE to respect one anothers view, - disagree yes, by all means - but not to the point of personal savege attacks.

Far from meaning to cause offence to you, Kim or anyone else, I was trying to appeal to you two as major players to take the lead and act responsibly. And thats goes for others as well!

I am sorry if I have caused offence to either of you, but it is also very sad if WE ALL cannot step back, pause and give time for each of us to comment where due.

You (meaning everyone) do not HAVE to goad, insinuate or retort to a post just becaue a particular person has posted there.

Certainly there is no need or point in turning this thread into an attack on individuals - whoever they are.

I'm glad you decided to comment and join in - thank you.

woody

After 10 years of picture taking - you'd have thought I'd have learnt to remove the lens cap...

... I do not shrink from my comments and, frankly, feel you were way off base.

If you note the flow of this particular thread, over 20% of the responses are from Kim and are attacking those who feel as I. Par for the course.

The man does not own/use the camera and his advice is lame and diametrically opposite to those who do.

You may wonder why some get heated up about this ?

Suggest you think a little more carefully before you do such again.
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It was dumber than dirt to address this thread to the attention of the entire FTF with his and Kim's name attached. You've caused more conflict and grief in the last few days over this dumb-headed thread than Dave or Kim could have caused.

It's a photography forum, for God's sake. Pull up your panties and march forward.
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