D3 Shooter Shoots E3

Joe B T said:

I do not think it is the same league as the top offerings from Nikon
or Canon, but it was never meant to be either. The E-system is just
different--a fundamental understanding of how it is different, and
what it can do is why some of us embrace the E-system.

Click to expand...

I wish more people understood this, Joe. Right now, the "unwashed masses" of dslr fans seem to want to make sure their images match the best of the best taken with their preferred camera. Yet great photographs are often the result of doing things differently than the status quo. Of course, artistic endeavors have always been that way.

So, while 90% of dslr shooters may bandy about comments on IQ, sensor resolution, color accuracy et al, some people think like we did back in film days. We'd shoot Tri-X not for the speed, but because we wanted that look for a particular subject. We'd choose Kodachrome over Ektachrome not because of superior sharpness, but for color rendering.

I think Olympus dslrs are like that: you should choose them not because they are inherently superior to other makes, but because they give the look to your shots other cameras can't duplicate. Really: where is the originality in attempting to make E3 shots look identical to D3 shots. Joe, I'm impressed to see you aren't attempting to do that. Plus, your shots have me considering selling a kidney so I can afford an E3 with some of the better lenses. LOL

That would probably be a forum full of Wannbe Wizards.

BC13 said:

BC13 said:

Someone said it earlier in another thread---it ain't the Wand it's
the Wizard!

Click to expand...

I bet if you visited a forum of wizards you'd find heated debate over
the merits of different wands ...

--

Click to expand...

--

SIGNATURE: This is a picture I did not take of a tall, greying man with crooked teeth whom I've encountered three times while photographing downtown, and each time, he's approached me quickly from the front, with a long stride, and each time he's leaned toward me and said the exact same thing 'OLD ONES ARE BETTER' while palming his ancient brass Leica, opening his hand enough to show me what's there, but not enough really showing-off!' (An Unknown Leica Street Photographer)

Thanks for the compliment!

CharlesB58 said:

I wish more people understood this, Joe. Right now, the "unwashed
masses" of dslr fans seem to want to make sure their images match the
best of the best taken with their preferred camera. Yet great
photographs are often the result of doing things differently than the
status quo. Of course, artistic endeavors have always been that way.

Click to expand...

The ESLRs produce a different looking image, as does the Nikons as does film. I use all 3 for that look---you got it.

CharlesB58 said:

So, while 90% of dslr shooters may bandy about comments on IQ, sensor
resolution, color accuracy et al, some people think like we did back
in film days. We'd shoot Tri-X not for the speed, but because we
wanted that look for a particular subject. We'd choose Kodachrome
over Ektachrome not because of superior sharpness, but for color
rendering.

Click to expand...

I'm glad to say it, but I still shoot and develop Tri-X, because I love that look. When it comes to street photography a DSLR is like a man that shaves his legs...yes they look good, clean, and smooth but there is still something that is just not right about it.

CharlesB58 said:

I think Olympus dslrs are like that: you should choose them not
because they are inherently superior to other makes, but because they
give the look to your shots other cameras can't duplicate. Really:
where is the originality in attempting to make E3 shots look
identical to D3 shots. Joe, I'm impressed to see you aren't
attempting to do that. Plus, your shots have me considering selling a
kidney so I can afford an E3 with some of the better lenses. LOL

Click to expand...

The lens I would truly want is the 14-35mm F/2 but the reports I hear are not good at all.

Cameta has great prices on Olympus cameras. I saw a new E3 body for just under $900.

Ben got an excellent deal there which is what made me take a look.

--

SIGNATURE: This is a picture I did not take of a tall, greying man with crooked teeth whom I've encountered three times while photographing downtown, and each time, he's approached me quickly from the front, with a long stride, and each time he's leaned toward me and said the exact same thing 'OLD ONES ARE BETTER' while palming his ancient brass Leica, opening his hand enough to show me what's there, but not enough really showing-off!' (An Unknown Leica Street Photographer)

Hi - great shots - I am interested in which Leica r lenses you used for these shots?
Marc
--
http://www.marcrogoff.com
'Sell your cleverness and buy bewilderment.'
—Jalal ud-Din Rumi

Joe B T said:

The lens I would truly want is the 14-35mm F/2 but the reports I hear
are not good at all.

Click to expand...

I think the reports are greatly exaggerated. Yes, some people had problems, there's no sense in denying that. OTOH, others had a good time with the lens, me included.

I used the lens for a longish while this summer. No problems I could see. Apart from jerky focusing which irritated me but it focused quite all right.

All the wider close whots with the lens:
http://www.clandestineart.com/photo/rokaj_1.html

Joe B T said:

That would probably be a forum full of Wannbe Wizards.

Click to expand...

So I guess then you would describe the worlds premiere pro wedding photography forum (where you have to be a working pro to be allowed to join) as full of wannabes?

Joe B T said:

BC13 said:

Joe B T said:

Someone said it earlier in another thread---it ain't the Wand it's
the Wizard!

Click to expand...

I bet if you visited a forum of wizards you'd find heated debate over
the merits of different wands ...

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Hello Marc!

The shot of the guy laying on the bench was captured using the 90mm Leica-R Summicron.

I took other shots of my girlfriend using the 90 Cron, but I did not post them in the Obligatory First Shot Thread.

Here is another taken with the Leica-R 90mm Summicron @ F/2.8

Marc Rogoff said:

Hi - great shots - I am interested in which Leica r lenses you used
for these shots?
Marc
--
http://www.marcrogoff.com
'Sell your cleverness and buy bewilderment.'
—Jalal ud-Din Rumi

Click to expand...

--

SIGNATURE: This is a picture I did not take of a tall, greying man with crooked teeth whom I've encountered three times while photographing downtown, and each time, he's approached me quickly from the front, with a long stride, and each time he's leaned toward me and said the exact same thing 'OLD ONES ARE BETTER' while palming his ancient brass Leica, opening his hand enough to show me what's there, but not enough really showing-off!' (An Unknown Leica Street Photographer)

Thanks - will have to have a look into them...
Marc
--
http://www.marcrogoff.com
'Sell your cleverness and buy bewilderment.'
—Jalal ud-Din Rumi

I have never been there, and really have no intrest in going there, but if all they do is blame success/failure totally on their tools, I probably would call them a bunch of wannebes and take a step forward at the sametime!

Titles don't impress me, especially internet titles.

The photographers that inspire me use whatever the situation demands.

Big Ga said:

Joe B T said:

That would probably be a forum full of Wannbe Wizards.

Click to expand...

So I guess then you would describe the worlds premiere pro wedding
photography forum (where you have to be a working pro to be allowed
to join) as full of wannabes?

Big Ga said:

BC13 said:

Big Ga said:

Someone said it earlier in another thread---it ain't the Wand it's
the Wizard!

Click to expand...

I bet if you visited a forum of wizards you'd find heated debate over
the merits of different wands ...

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

--

SIGNATURE: This is a picture I did not take of a tall, greying man with crooked teeth whom I've encountered three times while photographing downtown, and each time, he's approached me quickly from the front, with a long stride, and each time he's leaned toward me and said the exact same thing 'OLD ONES ARE BETTER' while palming his ancient brass Leica, opening his hand enough to show me what's there, but not enough really showing-off!' (An Unknown Leica Street Photographer)

So has joe tried this suggestion yet?

---> "tool" menu 1 ---> menu B ---> Button/Dial ---> Button Timer: HOLD

Having Fn button set to Home Position is also handy. Can switch with one press to the selected HP AF Area - then press again and you're back to the point you were using before. HP can be selected to whatever you prefer, but I forget how - would have to look in the manual again.

--
'If you ever get a camera up your bum, it'll probably be an Olympus' - nomix

given two wizards of equal ability, the one with the better wand wins.
--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam

... watching WAY too much Harry Potter

Jim

Louis_Dobson said:

Moving the af point with both wheels is a real strong point on the
E3, but you have to have sticky buttons set. The D3 joystick bounces
annoyingly (on my second sample now, both as bad as each other).

Click to expand...

The D300 I tried extensively at Focus 2008 (UK) had a joystick so bouncy it was almost impossible to control it consistently. I did wonder if this would be a weak point on the Dxxx/Dx series (but I bought a D300 anyways). Time will tell, I guess, but the E3 implementation feels much more robust.

Jim

Joe B T said:

I have never been there, and really have no intrest in going there,
but if all they do is blame success/failure totally on their tools, I
probably would call them a bunch of wannebes and take a step forward
at the sametime!

Titles don't impress me, especially internet titles.

Click to expand...

????
what the hell does that mean?

believe you are big?
--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam

Louis_Dobson said:

believe you are big?

Click to expand...

... his sausages (but I promised I wouldn't tell...)

Jim

Maybe I am not being articulate, so let me put it as simple as I can. If they sit online arguing over who has the bigger, better camera, on the website you mentioned, I would call them a bunch of wannabes. If any on them took offense to me calling them that, I would be willing to set something up to give them an opportunity to show me how they feel.

You can tell them what I said too--cut & paste this if you like. I use my real name, and I live in Maryland. I'm always out and about, and they can shoot me an email too--I'm available and willing to travel from North Carolina to NYC!

I don't care how preimere the site is, I don't care how many weddings they shoot a day/week/month/year.

If they spend most of their time on the internet intellectually masterbating about cameras, they can't be shooting much.

None of this Internet who-is-who impresses me much.

Big Ga said:

Joe B T said:

I have never been there, and really have no intrest in going there,
but if all they do is blame success/failure totally on their tools, I
probably would call them a bunch of wannebes and take a step forward
at the sametime!

Titles don't impress me, especially internet titles.

Click to expand...

????
what the hell does that mean?

Click to expand...

--

SIGNATURE: This is a picture I did not take of a tall, greying man with crooked teeth whom I've encountered three times while photographing downtown, and each time, he's approached me quickly from the front, with a long stride, and each time he's leaned toward me and said the exact same thing 'OLD ONES ARE BETTER' while palming his ancient brass Leica, opening his hand enough to show me what's there, but not enough really showing-off!' (An Unknown Leica Street Photographer)

Hello talephotos!

I have my Fn button set for the one step white balance option.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong but, I tried this suggestion below, but it works the same as before. I still have to push the AF button to move the auto focus points. What am I missing?

talephotos said:

So has joe tried this suggestion yet?

---> "tool" menu 1 ---> menu B ---> Button/Dial ---> Button Timer: HOLD

Having Fn button set to Home Position is also handy. Can switch with
one press to the selected HP AF Area - then press again and you're
back to the point you were using before. HP can be selected to
whatever you prefer, but I forget how - would have to look in the
manual again.

--
'If you ever get a camera up your bum, it'll probably be an Olympus'

• nomix

Click to expand...

--

SIGNATURE: This is a picture I did not take of a tall, greying man with crooked teeth whom I've encountered three times while photographing downtown, and each time, he's approached me quickly from the front, with a long stride, and each time he's leaned toward me and said the exact same thing 'OLD ONES ARE BETTER' while palming his ancient brass Leica, opening his hand enough to show me what's there, but not enough really showing-off!' (An Unknown Leica Street Photographer)

It's so tiring reading the blah blah blah about comparisons of the E-3 and its glass with Nikon this or Leica that. First off, what do you want your camera to do? What are you using it for? Can it do what you need it to do? If it can, what are the comparisons for?

For example, here are some images of a wedding during a downpour - not a little drizzle - a downpour, in Glacier National Park, in Montana. Everyone was soaked to the skin, including the photographer. I shot with a pair of E-3s, one with the 14-35 f 2 zoom, the other with the 35-100 f 2 zoom - which is to say that I had the entire 28 mm to 200 mm range covered with f2 glass - something I could not do with lenses from any other manufacturer. When I finished shooting, I wiped off the gear with a towel and went to the reception, where the cameras behaved perfectly.
http://www.bdcolenphoto.com/wetwedding

And I needed a Nikon or Canon why? Certainly I didn't need a Leica M6, M7 or M8 - none of which have moisture or dust sealing despite prices that stagger the imagination.

I shot with the gear that could do the job - and I suggest that the only question to consider before selecting a camera system is "can this gear do what I want to do?"

Clearly with the E-3, the answer is "yes!"

You may want to re-read my post.

bdcolen said:

It's so tiring reading the blah blah blah about comparisons of the
E-3 and its glass with Nikon this or Leica that. First off, what do
you want your camera to do? What are you using it for? Can it do what
you need it to do? If it can, what are the comparisons for?
For example, here are some images of a wedding during a downpour -
not a little drizzle - a downpour, in Glacier National Park, in
Montana. Everyone was soaked to the skin, including the photographer.
I shot with a pair of E-3s, one with the 14-35 f 2 zoom, the other
with the 35-100 f 2 zoom - which is to say that I had the entire 28
mm to 200 mm range covered with f2 glass - something I could not do
with lenses from any other manufacturer. When I finished shooting, I
wiped off the gear with a towel and went to the reception, where the
cameras behaved perfectly.
http://www.bdcolenphoto.com/wetwedding

And I needed a Nikon or Canon why? Certainly I didn't need a Leica
M6, M7 or M8 - none of which have moisture or dust sealing despite
prices that stagger the imagination.

I shot with the gear that could do the job - and I suggest that the
only question to consider before selecting a camera system is "can
this gear do what I want to do?"

Clearly with the E-3, the answer is "yes!"

Click to expand...

--

SIGNATURE: This is a picture I did not take of a tall, greying man with crooked teeth whom I've encountered three times while photographing downtown, and each time, he's approached me quickly from the front, with a long stride, and each time he's leaned toward me and said the exact same thing 'OLD ONES ARE BETTER' while palming his ancient brass Leica, opening his hand enough to show me what's there, but not enough really showing-off!' (An Unknown Leica Street Photographer)