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I just figured out what many of your probably already know. I have been viewing many full size images posted from various users of the D100 from the galleries. I kept noticing a LARGE amount of "jaggies" and to be honest, these photos looked horrible. Then I was over at the Fuji Forum looking at the S2 samples, and I saw the same thing. These photos looked horrid. Very soft, large amount of jaggies. So, then I realized something was wrong. I started to save the photos to disk, opened them up in photoshop, and enlarge to 100%. Totally different. I am using Microsoft IE 5.0 on a mac and its abovious that viewing these large full size photos in the browser is not working right! I hope I am the ONLY idiot who didn't know this... hate to see someone make a purchasing decision because IE is screwing up the images!
 
I think so too Jason. The full size version of the S2 photos are not that great because of the interpolation. But I was getting very bad results when viewing the D100 images too. I hope this is Just a MAC IE 5.0 problem, and that it doesn't extend into other versions/platforms for IE.

By the way, after downloading the S2 photos, and resizing them to the 6 MP size, I think they looked very nice when viewed in photoshop. I am still undecided between the two cameras, but I think the S2 may have an advantage. Waiting for a review on the S2 hopefully to show up soon.
Jason Busch said:
chris,

Yes, indeed. However, I downloaded some S2 pics, opened them up in
PS, and they were still pathetic. However, I should say that those
were the interpolated photos, and not the "clean" and "real" 6MP
photos I've seen.

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chris v. said:
I think so too Jason. The full size version of the S2 photos are
not that great because of the interpolation. But I was getting very
bad results when viewing the D100 images too. I hope this is Just a
MAC IE 5.0 problem, and that it doesn't extend into other
versions/platforms for IE.
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This is common for all platforms. If you look at an image @33% it will look horrible, but @50% it is much better, worse again @66%.
Geir Atle
 
I understand that. But the problem was when viewing the image at FULL size in IE. It wasn't a scaled down version. It was the ACTUAL FULL SIZE IMAGE loaded straight into the browser. I kept my view in the browser up while looking at the same file in photoshop ( both at 100 % ) and there is a major difference.
Geir Atle Ward said:
chris v. said:
I think so too Jason. The full size version of the S2 photos are
not that great because of the interpolation. But I was getting very
bad results when viewing the D100 images too. I hope this is Just a
MAC IE 5.0 problem, and that it doesn't extend into other
versions/platforms for IE.
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This is common for all platforms. If you look at an image @33% it
will look horrible, but @50% it is much better, worse again @66%.
Geir Atle
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chris v,

Thanks for pointing this out! I was beginning to wonder what was going on with some of the postings that I was seeing as well. Not having a high-bandwidth connection, I haven't downloaded a lot of pictures in original format, so I hadn't taken the time to compare as you did until I read your note.

Wow! It appears that IE is doing some strange things with these images, but I'm not sure exactly what the cause is. When I compared the top left part of the peacock image that Glenn Barber posted as viewed by IE and PS, it appears that IE is attempting to expand the image horizontally (but not vertically) by a factor of 1/3. This would certainly explain some of the jaggies that many of us have seen.

Thanks!
David
chris v. said:
Totally different. I am using Microsoft IE 5.0 on a mac and
its abovious that viewing these large full size photos in the
browser is not working right! I hope I am the ONLY idiot who didn't
know this... hate to see someone make a purchasing decision because
IE is screwing up the images!
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Hi David

I'm using Netscape and haven't noticed the reported problem. Is this strictly an IE problem or is it that I'm just not looking hard enough?

Dave
DavidM said:
Thanks for pointing this out! I was beginning to wonder what was
going on with some of the postings that I was seeing as well. Not
having a high-bandwidth connection, I haven't downloaded a lot of
pictures in original format, so I hadn't taken the time to compare
as you did until I read your note.

Wow! It appears that IE is doing some strange things with these
images, but I'm not sure exactly what the cause is. When I
compared the top left part of the peacock image that Glenn Barber
posted as viewed by IE and PS, it appears that IE is attempting to
expand the image horizontally (but not vertically) by a factor of
1/3. This would certainly explain some of the jaggies that many of
us have seen.

Thanks!
David
chris v. said:
Totally different. I am using Microsoft IE 5.0 on a mac and
its abovious that viewing these large full size photos in the
browser is not working right! I hope I am the ONLY idiot who didn't
know this... hate to see someone make a purchasing decision because
IE is screwing up the images!
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David,

You couldn't have put it in better words! IE seems to be adding extra interpolation like you said horizontally. I have NEVER seen this happen with other sized photos ( 3.3 MP and lower ) but after viewing 6MP I am seeing a large difference in quality. I hope that as many people read this thread as possible, because this could cause a LOT of confusion. Thanks david, for not making me feel like I was the only one NOT informed. I hope others find this out soon!
DavidM said:
chris v,

Thanks for pointing this out! I was beginning to wonder what was
going on with some of the postings that I was seeing as well. Not
having a high-bandwidth connection, I haven't downloaded a lot of
pictures in original format, so I hadn't taken the time to compare
as you did until I read your note.

Wow! It appears that IE is doing some strange things with these
images, but I'm not sure exactly what the cause is. When I
compared the top left part of the peacock image that Glenn Barber
posted as viewed by IE and PS, it appears that IE is attempting to
expand the image horizontally (but not vertically) by a factor of
1/3. This would certainly explain some of the jaggies that many of
us have seen.

Thanks!
David
chris v. said:
Totally different. I am using Microsoft IE 5.0 on a mac and
its abovious that viewing these large full size photos in the
browser is not working right! I hope I am the ONLY idiot who didn't
know this... hate to see someone make a purchasing decision because
IE is screwing up the images!
Click to expand...
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DavidM said:
chris v,

Thanks for pointing this out! I was beginning to wonder what was
going on with some of the postings that I was seeing as well. Not
having a high-bandwidth connection, I haven't downloaded a lot of
pictures in original format, so I hadn't taken the time to compare
as you did until I read your note.
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Dear Dave,

If you don't mind me asking, but how do you download images from the forum messages? I never learned how to do this and would appreciate the info.Probably lots of others out there would like to know as well,
Thanks,
Don Terrana
DavidM said:
Wow! It appears that IE is doing some strange things with these
images, but I'm not sure exactly what the cause is. When I
compared the top left part of the peacock image that Glenn Barber
posted as viewed by IE and PS, it appears that IE is attempting to
expand the image horizontally (but not vertically) by a factor of
1/3. This would certainly explain some of the jaggies that many of
us have seen.

Thanks!
David
chris v. said:
Totally different. I am using Microsoft IE 5.0 on a mac and
its abovious that viewing these large full size photos in the
browser is not working right! I hope I am the ONLY idiot who didn't
know this... hate to see someone make a purchasing decision because
IE is screwing up the images!
Click to expand...
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David Barkin said:
Hi David

I'm using Netscape and haven't noticed the reported problem. Is
this strictly an IE problem or is it that I'm just not looking hard
enough?

Dave
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Dave,

I'm not sure about Netscape (I don't use it). Definitely occurs with IE 5.0 on MacOS 9.1 though.

David
 
Hi David

Since writing my post I took a good long look and there's no problem with Netscape and yes, I also use 9.1

Dave
DavidM said:
David Barkin said:
Hi David

I'm using Netscape and haven't noticed the reported problem. Is
this strictly an IE problem or is it that I'm just not looking hard
enough?

Dave
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Dave,

I'm not sure about Netscape (I don't use it). Definitely occurs
with IE 5.0 on MacOS 9.1 though.

David
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don Terrana said:
Dear Dave,
If you don't mind me asking, but how do you download images from
the forum messages? I never learned how to do this and would
appreciate the info.Probably lots of others out there would like to
know as well,
Thanks,
Don Terrana
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Don,

It varies depending on the way that the original poster includes the link in their message, but the following will probably work in most cases if you use Internet Explorer (I'm not sure about other browsers):

1) Navigate with your browser until you see the image at the resolution you desire in your browser's window. This may involve following several links until you arrive at the final picture.

2) With the image on screen, right-click (Windows) or control-click (Macintosh) directly on the image itself. This should activate a "pop-up" menu with several options, depending on the version of IE you are using.

3) Choose the menu item "Download Image to Disk" or whatever item sounds closest to that (may vary depending on version). At that point you should see a dialog box allowing you to specify where you want to put the file, name, etc.

Hope this helps!
David
 
DavidM said:
don Terrana said:
Dear Dave,
If you don't mind me asking, but how do you download images from
the forum messages? I never learned how to do this and would
appreciate the info.Probably lots of others out there would like to
know as well,
Thanks,
Don Terrana
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Don,

It varies depending on the way that the original poster includes
the link in their message, but the following will probably work in
most cases if you use Internet Explorer (I'm not sure about other
browsers):

1) Navigate with your browser until you see the image at the
resolution you desire in your browser's window. This may involve
following several links until you arrive at the final picture.

2) With the image on screen, right-click (Windows) or control-click
(Macintosh) directly on the image itself. This should activate a
"pop-up" menu with several options, depending on the version of IE
you are using.

3) Choose the menu item "Download Image to Disk" or whatever item
sounds closest to that (may vary depending on version). At that
point you should see a dialog box allowing you to specify where you
want to put the file, name, etc.

Hope this helps!
David
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Hey, thanks. Glad you read my post!
Don
 
Chris, Chris, Chris--You've taken the wind out the sails" of the countless know-it-alls who have never used cameras they're so quick to criticize so viciously based solely on what they see or think they see in posted photos. For shame! You've identified one of the countless variables they prefer to ignore when trashing cameras other than their own particular favorite.
 
Yeah. I can "ONLY" imagine what the casual P&S shooter thinks. Using his trustly old Nikon 775, he decides to check out Phil's Review. Amazed about the "soft image problem", he wants to see some full size results ( so he can tell his wife that the 300 bucks he spent for his camera produces SHARPER than a 2000.00 dollar DSLR ). He loads up a full size example of a D100 ( not to mention this problem is affecting other images as well ) inside of good old IE 5.0 and he see's this crazy image with horrible stair-stepping and horrible overall image quality. He goes away "uninformed" and happy to be using his coolpix. Good thing he didn't spend all that money on a DSLR.
Memer said:
Chris, Chris, Chris--You've taken the wind out the sails" of the
countless know-it-alls who have never used cameras they're so quick
to criticize so viciously based solely on what they see or think
they see in posted photos. For shame! You've identified one of the
countless variables they prefer to ignore when trashing cameras
other than their own particular favorite.
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Hi

Yes, standard viewers are sometimes curious. The XP viewer softens images especially in magnification... All these simple viewers are not intended for examining pixels...

Regards, A. Schiele
chris v. said:
I just figured out what many of your probably already know. I have
been viewing many full size images posted from various users of the
D100 from the galleries. I kept noticing a LARGE amount of
"jaggies" and to be honest, these photos looked horrible. Then I
was over at the Fuji Forum looking at the S2 samples, and I saw the
same thing. These photos looked horrid. Very soft, large amount of
jaggies. So, then I realized something was wrong. I started to save
the photos to disk, opened them up in photoshop, and enlarge to
100%. Totally different. I am using Microsoft IE 5.0 on a mac and
its abovious that viewing these large full size photos in the
browser is not working right! I hope I am the ONLY idiot who didn't
know this... hate to see someone make a purchasing decision because
IE is screwing up the images!
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