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prime said:
Here is an example of a photo I took from here in Portland into the
sun -- not directly into the sun, but pretty close -- with the
S100fs's lens zoomed out to 400 mm. (The S100fs does not have
built-in GPS, but if you want to know whence the photo was taken,
enter 45.49207, -122.6977 into maps.google.com, you will have the
location pretty well nailed.) The sun was fairly high in the sky,
and somewhere around 30 to 45 degrees to the right of the frame, as
you may confirm by the shadows on the branches.

Do you see excessive purple fringing?
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No, of course not.

Anyone that considers THAT as EXCESSIVE PF should not look at the production camera samples from the Nikon D90 review...even if not at 400mm. The first shot is riddled with PF. Download the original and take an excessively close look at the side of the green trees right and left. Some of the white posts by the bus stop look a little suspect also. I'm sure this isn't par for the course on this combo but how much does that D90/VR 18 to 105mm combo cost again?...$1200 +?

http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/nikond90_samples/

No thank you, I'll stick with the "excessive" PF on my S100fs that is an overblown issue by a few that don't own the camera.

Regards,
Slides
 
Lloydy said:
... Now you've done it - Woke the dead heads.

The 'Purple Pixies' will be out in force now !!!
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Dave, I have cautioned you not to feed the trolls.

An accomplished troll -- and this forum has some masters of trolling -- often will make a posting that contains excellent and relevant content.

Into that posting, the troll will insert deliberately provocative and inflammatory material, often easily and demonstrably false, for the purpose of eliciting an angry reply and disrupting the flow of the discussion. The provocative part and the disruption is the troll's point and purpose of the post, not the sometimes attractive content that the troll wraps around the provocation as bait. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_ (Internet)

One cannot respond directly to the troll, only ignore it. Responses only incite further trolling. Name-calling, like "dead heads" or "Purple Pixies" only exacerbates the problem and exposes the name-caller to further comment.

There is no doubt that at full wide-angle, 28 mm equivalent, the S100fs lens exhibits some pretty brutal purple fringing. I had searched through the image files that I had recorded with the borrowed S100fs in the 40 days it was in my hands for one that was shot at the other extreme of the zoom range -- at 400 mm equivalent -- when the lens was pointed directly into the sun, because backlit silhouettes present the situation that most exhibits purple fringing. I found no images that fully satisfied those criteria, but did find one where the lens was zoomed all the way out and pointed at least fairly close to directly into the sun. I did zero post processing on the image, and posted it here to aid a discussion whether the purple fringing at the extreme telephoto end was "excessive" or "worth fretting about" -- subjective, not objective, criteria related to the S100fs's worth as a picture-taking tool. Those subjective descriptors were quite explicitly the topic that the image was posted to address.

As you have noted, some posters have seized upon that image to make unrelated and sometimes personally insulting comments. The provocative tangential statements are classic troll behavior. The only way to reduce trolling is not to feed the trolls.
 
Slides said:
production camera samples from the Nikon D90 review...even if not at
400mm. The first shot is riddled with PF.
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Yes, it certainly is. Of course, if one wanted to shoot landscapes a lot ... one could buy a prime lense (e.g. 28mm f3.5 AI) for a song that could run circles around both the lenses under discussion.

Remember ... the point is that the lense comes off :-)
Slides said:
No thank you, I'll stick with the "excessive" PF on my S100fs that is
an overblown issue by a few that don't own the camera.
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Let me paraphrase:

Waaaaaaaaaaaaa .... they don't own the camera and they have an opinion .... waaaaaaaaaaaaa .... that's no fair .... waaaaaaaaaaaaa ....

It is a troubling world in which we live. Luckily, this issue is actually fairly minor in the grand scheme of things, don't you think?

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Kim Letkeman said:
Slides said:
production camera samples from the Nikon D90 review...even if not at
400mm. The first shot is riddled with PF.
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Yes, it certainly is. Of course, if one wanted to shoot landscapes a
lot ... one could buy a prime lense (e.g. 28mm f3.5 AI) for a song
that could run circles around both the lenses under discussion.
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Yes, and one could buy many lenses if one wanted to shoot more than just landscapes, and one had the resources.
Kim Letkeman said:
Remember ... the point is that the lense comes off :-)
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Remember...the point is the lense doesn't need to come off.
Kim Letkeman said:
Kim Letkeman said:
No thank you, I'll stick with the "excessive" PF on my S100fs that is
an overblown issue by a few that don't own the camera.
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Let me paraphrase:

Waaaaaaaaaaaaa .... they don't own the camera and they have an
opinion .... waaaaaaaaaaaaa .... that's no fair .... waaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Fair has nothing to do with it, credibility does. You base your all of your misleading opinions of the S100fs on your 1/2 hour of borrowed "use" and a flawed review. The actual owners of the camera post real use comments and images for real evaluation.
Kim Letkeman said:
It is a troubling world in which we live. Luckily, this issue is
actually fairly minor in the grand scheme of things, don't you think?
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If you're talking about PF and the S100fs it actually is a minor issue, for actual owners of the camera.

Regards,
Slides
 
Slides said:
Fair has nothing to do with it, credibility does. You base your all
of your misleading opinions of the S100fs on your 1/2 hour of
borrowed "use" and a flawed review. The actual owners of the camera
post real use comments and images for real evaluation.
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I have been rendering opinions on this and many cameras based on hundreds of posted images ... I rendered nearly all positive opinions based on my 30 minute test.

You and a few others manage to mangle history every time you spew forth with this lame ownership excuse ...
Slides said:
If you're talking about PF and the S100fs it actually is a minor
issue, for actual owners of the camera.
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I am talking about the troubling world in which you and a few others pound one one drum incessantly, dredging up the same old lame excuses or ridiculously arrogant vitriol (he's done it several times today alone :

CA is a minor issue in the grand scheme (remember that qualification I used?) ... but a troubling issue for regular users of the camera who might want to do a landscape series ... personally, I'd pick up a D40 and an AI 28mm 3.5 ... used, that'd cost a little over half the price of an S100fs ...

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I asked a simple question at the start of this thread and it has gone all wonky with esoteric arguments about CA, PF and coma.

And as an unbiased observer with no dog in the hunt, I have to say a certain person on the site has an almost bitter, out-of-proportion obsession about purple fringing in S100fs photos. Does this person HAVE an S100sf? Did this person have one and have to send it back because purple was dripping out of the bottom of it?

Unless the person in question has been somehow saddled with a purple people eating S100sf and can't get rid of it, it would seem odd that the person would be so vitriolic about it. I mean, let it go! If you don't like the camera, it's okay ... really. But to spend so much internet ink bashing the camera is almost obsessive-compulsive, isn't it?

My original post was intended to deal with improvements to the reported CA/PF issues as much as anything, although there are apparently some control placement issues that could be addressed as well. Apparently, no one has any info regarding an imminent replacement/upgrade for the camera, so I suppose my question is answered.

--
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.
 
Pixelizer said:
And as an unbiased observer with no dog in the hunt, I have to say a
certain person on the site has an almost bitter, out-of-proportion
obsession about purple fringing in S100fs photos. Does this person
HAVE an S100sf? Did this person have one and have to send it back
because purple was dripping out of the bottom of it?
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Would you be talking about anyone in particular? Is it too scary for you to respond directly to said person so we can all know who it is? Is all this condescension your clever ruse to avoid engaging?
Pixelizer said:
Unless the person in question has been somehow saddled with a purple
people eating S100sf
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Very clever. Ray Stephens references are some of the most intellectually stimulating, don't you agree?
Pixelizer said:
and can't get rid of it, it would seem odd that the person would be so vitriolic
about it.
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Look up the word. Then read the posts ... you will find that the short burst of negative energy from Dave a few short hours ago qualifies quite nicely ... otherwise, there has been little in the way of "vitriol" ...
Pixelizer said:
I mean, let it go! If you don't like the camera, it's okay ... really.
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Again ... who are you talking to? And why do you arrogantly presume that you have any right to hand out permission to have an opinion in this or any other forum?
Pixelizer said:
But to spend so much internet ink bashing the camera is almost
obsessive-compulsive, isn't it?
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Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it?
Pixelizer said:
My original post was intended to deal with improvements to the
reported CA/PF issues as much as anything, although there are
apparently some control placement issues that could be addressed as
well. Apparently, no one has any info regarding an imminent
replacement/upgrade for the camera, so I suppose my question is
answered.
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It was answered a long time ago ... you just suddenly felt the need to sneak around the outside of a skunk spray-off without actually engaging ... we're all very impressed.
Pixelizer said:
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.
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Or small ones.

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http://letkeman.net/Photos
http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com
 
Pixelizer said:
I asked a simple question at the start of this thread and it has gone
all wonky with esoteric arguments about CA, PF and coma.

And as an unbiased observer with no dog in the hunt, I have to say a
certain person on the site has an almost bitter, out-of-proportion
obsession about purple fringing in S100fs photos. Does this person
HAVE an S100sf? Did this person have one and have to send it back
because purple was dripping out of the bottom of it?

Unless the person in question has been somehow saddled with a purple
people eating S100sf and can't get rid of it, it would seem odd that
the person would be so vitriolic about it. I mean, let it go! If you
don't like the camera, it's okay ... really. But to spend so much
internet ink bashing the camera is almost obsessive-compulsive, isn't
it?
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Apparently, it seems that talking about other peoples' cameras tend to bring on mental illness with many people.!
Pixelizer said:
My original post was intended to deal with improvements to the
reported CA/PF issues as much as anything, although there are
apparently some control placement issues that could be addressed as
well. Apparently, no one has any info regarding an imminent
replacement/upgrade for the camera, so I suppose my question is
answered.

--
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.
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--
noise to one is music to another
 
Kim Letkeman said:
Slides said:
Fair has nothing to do with it, credibility does. You base your all
of your misleading opinions of the S100fs on your 1/2 hour of
borrowed "use" and a flawed review. The actual owners of the camera
post real use comments and images for real evaluation.
Click to expand...
I have been rendering opinions on this and many cameras based on
hundreds of posted images ... I rendered nearly all positive
opinions based on my 30 minute test.
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Hardly "all positive opinions" from you here, just to jog your memory...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1012&thread=29095119&page=1

That was a 30 minute "impression" not a test as you put it now. And you have contradicted yourself in the past on your opinion "results".
Kim Letkeman said:
You and a few others manage to mangle history every time you spew
forth with this lame ownership excuse ...
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And you mangle and twist the facts every time you spew forth with your lame recollections of your 30 minute impression of the S100fs or your interpretation of the dp review of same.

Perhaps I should go "spew forth" in the Nikon forum about the minor D90 CA/PF issues at every opportunity...even though I don't own one? Fortunately I'm aware that if I appointed myself the D90 hallway monitor, as you have done here with the S100fs, my credibility might be in question...ya think?
Kim Letkeman said:
Kim Letkeman said:
If you're talking about PF and the S100fs it actually is a minor
issue, for actual owners of the camera.
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I am talking about the troubling world in which you and a few others
pound one one drum incessantly,
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The only drum I hear pounding is the same old drum you've beaten to death here any time you see a positive S100fs comment. Troubling world indeed.
Kim Letkeman said:
dredging up the same old lame excuses
or ridiculously arrogant vitriol (he's done it several times today
alone :
over again.
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We get it already, like any camera, the S100fs has some issues. Do we need to be reminded of that fact, incessantly, from you in practically every positive S100fs thread? You are the one that is polarizing the forum and dragging threads down. People can read reviews and see actual photos without your inevitable bashing and snide remarks. Break out one of your Nikons, get out of the house, and go take some pictures for crying out loud. Give it a rest.
 
Slides said:
You are the one that is polarizing the forum and dragging threads down.
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We each see what we see ...
Slides said:
People can read reviews and see actual photos without your inevitable
bashing and snide remarks.
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I hardly consider posting direct references to be "bashing" ... as for "snide", well, I's actually forgotten quite when I stopped taking the two of you seriously.
Slides said:
Break out one of your Nikons, get out of the house,
and go take some pictures for crying out loud. Give it a rest.
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Yeah ... that's the spirit.

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http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com
 
No, Kim, it's not a fear of engagement that prompted my non-specific reference - just courtesy, a commodity that seems to be in short supply of late.

I'm not sneaking around anything; I simply see no point in "engaging" people whose views are overly colored by opinion. What's the point in that?

I came here to get objective information, not to engage in debates.

....................

Oh, and from Merriam-Webster:

vit·ri·ol - something felt to resemble vitriol especially in caustic quality ; especially : virulence of feeling or of speech.

Have a good day!
Kim Letkeman said:
Pixelizer said:
And as an unbiased observer with no dog in the hunt, I have to say a
certain person on the site has an almost bitter, out-of-proportion
obsession about purple fringing in S100fs photos. Does this person
HAVE an S100sf? Did this person have one and have to send it back
because purple was dripping out of the bottom of it?
Click to expand...
Would you be talking about anyone in particular? Is it too scary for
you to respond directly to said person so we can all know who it is?
Is all this condescension your clever ruse to avoid engaging?
Kim Letkeman said:
Unless the person in question has been somehow saddled with a purple
people eating S100sf
Click to expand...
Very clever. Ray Stephens references are some of the most
intellectually stimulating, don't you agree?
Kim Letkeman said:
and can't get rid of it, it would seem odd that the person would be so vitriolic
about it.
Click to expand...
Look up the word. Then read the posts ... you will find that the
short burst of negative energy from Dave a few short hours ago
qualifies quite nicely ... otherwise, there has been little in the
way of "vitriol" ...
Kim Letkeman said:
I mean, let it go! If you don't like the camera, it's okay ... really.
Click to expand...
Again ... who are you talking to? And why do you arrogantly presume
that you have any right to hand out permission to have an opinion in
this or any other forum?
Kim Letkeman said:
But to spend so much internet ink bashing the camera is almost
obsessive-compulsive, isn't it?
Click to expand...
Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it?
Is it? Is it? Is it?
Kim Letkeman said:
My original post was intended to deal with improvements to the
reported CA/PF issues as much as anything, although there are
apparently some control placement issues that could be addressed as
well. Apparently, no one has any info regarding an imminent
replacement/upgrade for the camera, so I suppose my question is
answered.
Click to expand...
It was answered a long time ago ... you just suddenly felt the need
to sneak around the outside of a skunk spray-off without actually
engaging ... we're all very impressed.
Kim Letkeman said:
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.
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Or small ones.

--
http://letkeman.net/Photos
http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com
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Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.
 
Pixelizer said:
No, Kim, it's not a fear of engagement that prompted my non-specific
reference - just courtesy, a commodity that seems to be in short
supply of late.
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Yes, I agree. When this thread was almost dead, you chose to jump in with the least objective post I've seen in a long time ... containing such gems as:

"it has gone all wonky with esoteric arguments about CA, PF and coma."

"a certain person on the site has an almost bitter, out-of-proportion obsession about purple fringing in S100fs photos"

"Unless the person in question has been somehow saddled with a purple people eating S100sf"
"it would seem odd that the person would be so vitriolic about it"
"If you don't like the camera, it's okay ... really"
"is almost obsessive-compulsive, isn't it?"

Looks to me like you came here to shoot and run ... a little old-fashioned sniper action.
Pixelizer said:
I'm not sneaking around anything; I simply see no point in "engaging"
people whose views are overly colored by opinion. What's the point in
that?
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Your opinions are as colored as anything I've yet read. The thread was mostly dead by that point, yet you jumped in to happily cr@p all over my "opinions" ... then avoided my responses.

Now you think you take the high road, but you can't even see it from the gutter you jumped into in the first place.
Pixelizer said:
I came here to get objective information, not to engage in debates.
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The tone and timing of your own posts belies that statement. You appear to have little veracity ... but have no fear, some of the most prominent posters on this forum share your issue ...

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http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com
 
... You are a laugh a minute.

Pixelizer was the OP. You have posted more than 1/3 of the comments, but none have had any relevance to the OP's question.

Now, you 'bag' the OP for pointing out that all your responses fell way short.

I'm in stitches. You really can't see it, can you ?
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Rgds, Dave.
Have fun - take lotsa pix.
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S100fs Examples - http://www.pixplanet.biz/Posting-stuff_5.htm

Post processing (PP) Tips - http://www.pixplanet.biz/Posting-stuff_7.htm
 
I think while contestants may come and go, this battle may wage on until those of us with s100fs cameras ...wear them out.

Just to add a note of condolance though ...read the recent review of the new Canon EF-S 18-200mm F3.5-5.6 IS.

It cost as much or more than we invested in our s100fs cameras. From what I glean in that review ...our lens produces less distortion accross the whole range and the fringing and CA issues are as pronounced on that new lens as they are on our's. I see it more now because I'm doing more exposure and DR bracketing and with the lower autumn sun, it is behind more branches now. I get rid of it using PF Killer and PF Free (or CA Killer and PF Free ...whatever), but I do have to clean some up. Anyway ... I become more aware of it in photos I see taken with a variety of cameras and DSLR's certainly aren't immune. It seems all lenses have their good and bad points and we have to evaluate our satisfaction based on how our 'all purpose' lens meets our needs. My greatest frustration is the lack of bokeh ...but I've decided to live with that and simply create some in the few photos where it is important to me. It won't be perfect but until I can have a high end DSLR and the best of glass ...it will be good enough for me.

Cheers,
jj
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My photo collection:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjlad/sets/
 
... High end DSLR and the best of glass ? Be careful, this introduces a whole new range of issues :

I can't get reasonable DOF.
I paid mega - $???'s for this glass and it is not sharp.
Why does my image lack good dynamic range ?
Etc., etc., etc.

Believe me, it is a mine-field and it takes it's toll.

Have fun.
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Rgds, Dave.
Have fun - take lotsa pix.
http://www.redbubble.com/people/pixplanet

S100fs Examples - http://www.pixplanet.biz/Posting-stuff_5.htm

Post processing (PP) Tips - http://www.pixplanet.biz/Posting-stuff_7.htm
 
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