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apparently, panasonic announced price cuts of lumix G1, perhaps even before launch.
so the new prices are-
Lumix G1 with kit 14-45mm -700€
Lumix G1 with 14-45mm & 45-200mm - 1000€
For US prices, i think u can just change the € sign to $ sign.
story is here (in french)-

http://www.zone-numerique.com/news_3708_Baisse_des_prix_du_Panasonic_G1_officialisee.htm

previously announced price was G1 with kit 899€ and with double lens €1199 ( prices from redcoon.de ).

any thoughts?
 
arthas said:
apparently, panasonic announced price cuts of lumix G1, perhaps even
before launch.
so the new prices are-
Lumix G1 with kit 14-45mm -700€
Lumix G1 with 14-45mm & 45-200mm - 1000€
For US prices, i think u can just change the € sign to $ sign.
story is here (in french)-

http://www.zone-numerique.com/news_3708_Baisse_des_prix_du_Panasonic_G1_officialisee.htm
previously announced price was G1 with kit 899€ and with double lens
€1199 ( prices from redcoon.de ).
any thoughts?
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Just checked redcoon, still the old high prices.

René
 
arthas said:
apparently, panasonic announced price cuts of lumix G1, perhaps even
before launch.
so the new prices are-
Lumix G1 with kit 14-45mm -700€
Lumix G1 with 14-45mm & 45-200mm - 1000€
For US prices, i think u can just change the € sign to $ sign.
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In that case, it's overpriced for the US market. B&H is selling the E420 with the 14 - 42 for $495 and the E520 with the same lens for $630. B&H is selling the Nikon D40 with the 18 - 55 lens for $500
arthas said:
any thoughts?
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I doubt they will sell many in the USA for that kind of money. I'm thinking they will need to hit the entry level DSLR prices for something like this to take off.

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It's hard to say without seeing the quality of the camera, but that strikes me as mighty expensive. At that price point, it is only taking sales from SLRs, nothing on the bridge market.
 
Hmm, not really a good comparison re the D40. The D40 is two years old and the G1 is much more feature rich.

Neither the D40 or the E420 have image stabilized kit lenses.

D40 has three AF points. Hello 1980's? :-P

The G1 has full-time live view, flip out display, WYSWYG shutter speed / exposure / white balance / depth-of-field display, slightly faster frame rate, etc.

I believe the G1 is giving you a lot more value for a few hundred dollars more.
 
Glen Barrington said:
arthas said:
apparently, panasonic announced price cuts of lumix G1, perhaps even
before launch.
so the new prices are-
Lumix G1 with kit 14-45mm -700€
Lumix G1 with 14-45mm & 45-200mm - 1000€
For US prices, i think u can just change the € sign to $ sign.
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Glen Barrington said:
In that case, it's overpriced for the US market. B&H is selling the
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E420 with the 14 - 42 for $495 and the E520 with the same lens for
$630. B&H is selling the Nikon D40 with the 18 - 55 lens for $500
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The G1 has the metal mount kit lenses with image stabilization, more external controls, better live view, better LCD and viewfinder.
 
Nathan Margason said:
Hmm, not really a good comparison re the D40. The D40 is two years
old and the G1 is much more feature rich.
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more like gimmick rich...
Margorilla MA said:
Neither the D40 or the E420 have image stabilized kit lenses.
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but there are a wealth of lenses available that do, especially for the nikon. so much for the g1 with its 2 lenses.
Margorilla MA said:
D40 has three AF points. Hello 1980's? :-P
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this is pure measurebating and so hilarious. if you need more af points, then the g1 won't cut it ;) it's off to the semi-pro...
Margorilla MA said:
The G1 has full-time live view, flip out display, WYSWYG shutter
speed / exposure / white balance / depth-of-field display, slightly
faster frame rate, etc.

I believe the G1 is giving you a lot more value for a few hundred
dollars more.
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I think the G1 is overpriced for what it offers. could well be worth it for p&s'ers that are on the upgrade path but for anyone else, the G1 is not the answer. as a dSLR owner/user myself, the Oly vision is the one that takes the marbles. The Panny variant is, well, not even gonna cut it.

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zygh said:
zygh said:
D40 has three AF points. Hello 1980's? :-P
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this is pure measurebating and so hilarious.
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Hardly. At the very least, having the choice where in the whole frame
to put the AF point is very useful for tripod work.
zygh said:
if you need more af
points, then the g1 won't cut it ;) it's off to the semi-pro...
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Really depends on how well the AF tracking works, doesn't it?
For the most demanding tasks, the semipro/pro bodies will be
better, but there is probably a range of uses between that and
what the puny three points of the D40 can cover.

Just my two oere
Erik from Sweden
 
Everything you say is true, but you are looking at this from an enthusiasts perspective. From what I've seen and read, I don't think this camera is really aimed at the enthusiast market.

For this camera to take off, it has to atract NEW buyers that weren't in the market before. That means happy snappers looking for something they can show off at parent's day at their kids summer camp.

And I suspect all the stuff you mention just isn't all that important or understandable to the kind of buyer Panasonic needs. That's why I think they will have to reduce prices in the US. From a show off perspective, they can get more for their money from a DSLR.
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I think that the enthusiast is the real market for this kind of camera. The P&S people will not be interested. Maximum they will upgrade to a bridge camera with a lot of MP and a 10x to 20x zoom.

About the EVIL concept I see the one that will replace first the low end DSLRs and in time will make all DSLRs a niche.

Speaking on the price, the EVF is not cheap. Someone in this forum said that the EVF of Minolta A2 cost some 170$. I cannot check the data, but to develop the EVF of the G1 must cost a lot! I think that this EVF will be better than the VF of my E500.
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Glen Barrington said:
Everything you say is true, but you are looking at this from an
enthusiasts perspective. From what I've seen and read, I don't think
this camera is really aimed at the enthusiast market.

For this camera to take off, it has to atract NEW buyers that weren't
in the market before. That means happy snappers looking for
something they can show off at parent's day at their kids summer
camp.
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Happy snappers generally use P&Ss. If the DPReview preview of the G1 is to be believed, then the G1 does AF much better than any existing P&S. This translates to being a significant improvement when taking birthday party pics, capturing junior at the exact moment that he does something cute, ditto when translated to kids sports, etc.

How difficult do you think it will be to market using this single point? Think of Sony's current ad campaign that highlights their DSLR's built in image stabilization. The single image in the print ads is of a shot that was taken a split second after the decisive moment. Whoops, this wouldn't have happened if you had used our camera. (The fact that IS doesn't freeze motion is beside the point here--we are talking about ads that are targeted to non-technical consumers.)

When compared to DSLRs, consumer friendly points are "smaller and lighter than other DSLRs," "Much quieter ("discreet") than a DSLR," "more modern and higher tech then DSLRs (iPod appeal)." I also don't think that an advertising company would have much trouble using these points when advertising to consumers, if they have half a clue.

Wayne
 
Glen Barrington said:
Everything you say is true, but you are looking at this from an
enthusiasts perspective. From what I've seen and read, I don't think
this camera is really aimed at the enthusiast market.

For this camera to take off, it has to atract NEW buyers that weren't
in the market before. That means happy snappers looking for
something they can show off at parent's day at their kids summer camp.

And I suspect all the stuff you mention just isn't all that important
or understandable to the kind of buyer Panasonic needs. That's why I
think they will have to reduce prices in the US. From a show off
perspective, they can get more for their money from a DSLR.
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First we have the back seat drivers
Then came armchair football coaches
Now we have the message board market analysts
 
i doubt whether panasonic (nor anyone else) can calculate exactly the price of EVF. actually anyone who has done cost accounting knows, its all approximation. just like other electronic products, there has to be a massive economies of scale permitting established players to produce stuffs at far lower cost. that means depending upon the manufacturer EVF or any component can cost different prices.

besides, pricing has low relation with cost. just compare the price of same camera in US, UK and Europe and you see that everyone is pushing for maximum realizable profit
 
Edwaste said:
First we have the back seat drivers
Then came armchair football coaches
Now we have the message board market analysts
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So? This is a gear forum. Speculating on whether one kind of gear will become popular is On Topic for this forum. If a product that would be desirable for some of the participants of this forum flops in the market (with the result of making it be unavailable), then it is relevant for this forum. (It is also useful, because sometimes the real professional market analysts weigh in on these kinds of threads.)

Personally, I'm rooting for the EVIL camera concept. I want it to succeed. I want it to succeed enough that all the camera companies make their own versions, so I can pick and choose from the best system that emerges.

So go G1! Thanks to Oly and Panasonic for starting the race.

Wayne
 
Glen Barrington said:
And I suspect all the stuff you mention just isn't all that important
or understandable to the kind of buyer Panasonic needs. That's why I
think they will have to reduce prices in the US. From a show off
perspective, they can get more for their money from a DSLR.
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Not if the comparison is the E-420.

The quick check list is

1) Way bigger viewfinder than the E-420 and 100% picture view.
2) Way cool tilt/swivel LCD - and its BIG with more resolution!
3) Look - it doesn't make as much noise when you take a picture.
4) Hey, it has image stabilization built into the lens
5) See how nice and small this is
6) It has 12Mp, not 10Mp.

7) This is the cool new direction cameras are heading (doesn't matter if it is true or not).
8) Look - this has face detection!
9) HDMI output for your flats screen!!

There are plenty of things on the feature list that a non-enthusiast can sink their teeth into. And, of course there are plenty of enthusiast bonus features as well.

If this releases at $700 U.S. I think it will sell well. What's the camera that it competes most closely with? The DMC-L10 - and its cheaper.

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Wayne Larmon said:
When compared to DSLRs, consumer friendly points are "smaller and
lighter than other DSLRs," "Much quieter ("discreet") than a DSLR,"
"more modern and higher tech then DSLRs (iPod appeal)." I also
don't think that an advertising company would have much trouble using
these points when advertising to consumers, if they have half a clue.
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Exactly.

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Glen Barrington said:
Everything you say is true, but you are looking at this from an
enthusiasts perspective. From what I've seen and read, I don't think
this camera is really aimed at the enthusiast market.

For this camera to take off, it has to atract NEW buyers that weren't
in the market before. That means happy snappers looking for
something they can show off at parent's day at their kids summer camp.
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I suggest you browse around here and see if you can find some stuff that will appeal to happy snappers.

http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemcamera/gms/g1/index.html

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