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Instead of ordering the new 5D II, I just bought a used 1D II + 24-70 2.8L for the same cost.

If the new offerings from Canon stay on this course, I'll just keep buying used cameras.

A used 1Ds II will soon be at the same cost of the 5D II. If you don't need the megapixels or HD video, then the 1Ds II is better in every other way.

Each time somebody buys used, Canon is hurt a little.
 
Of course not, but it just happens to.

I am still buying Canon, so however much hurt this brings Canon, it really doesn't matter too much.

I just want Canon to make better cameras.
 
They almost got the 5D II right, just need to increase the FPS (5+), and don't artificially limit the camera using software.

For example, the 5D II cannot shoot more than 3 AEB frames and only has a EV range of + - 2.

The 1D II, which is a 4 year old camera can do up to 7 AEB frames at + - 3 EV (which is actually more than 3 EV. For example at 5 AEB frames, you can get + - 6 EV!!). This is purely a software feature.

I also played around with the personal functions in the 1D II, and some of they were super useful.
 
The 3.9 fps of the 5D II isn't bad compared to the 5 fps of the 1Ds III.

It's really the autofocus system of the 5D II that leaves a lot to be desired.

It has only 1 cross-type autofocus point for f/2.8 or faster lenses.

The 1Ds III has 19 cross-type autofocus points for f/2.8 or faster lenses.

That's quite a difference!

I would have preferred an autofocus system with 9 or more cross-type autofocus points for f/2.8 or faster lenses.
 
thundercat said:
Could you describe the cameras you want Canon to make?
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If I may, I'd like to see Canon's D700, i.e. merge of the old 5D with the 1D AF (the one that is working correctly). And that would be it. Perhaps the sensor might be done using latest technology, with big pixels and gapless microlenses.

But alas, only Nikon made such camera, and it doesn't mount my EF lenses.

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Absolutely. An updated 1Dsm2 in a 5D body.
16Mpix, new high iso, and old m1/2 1D AF system.

The only thing (IMO) that the 5Dm2 has going for it is the 21Mpix and the High ISO.

I understand that this is a continuation of what the original 5D was (a landscape machine), but I would really like a Canon D700 with ~ 16Mpix. If a camera like this would have been announced I would have order already, as it wasn't the price of used 1Dsm2s has dropped 500-700 bucks so I couldn't be happier!
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How many years have you been using the 50mm 1.2L and 85mm 1.2L II?

Obviously, digital camera marketing has you thinking that megapixels matters most when choosing a camera.

To me, a better autofocus system would be far more useful than more megapixels.

The lenses I use on a regular basis are all f/2.8 or faster.

So, here is how I see it: $2700 for a DSLR that has only one good autofocus point, since it has only 1 cross-type autofocus point for f/2.8 or faster lenses.
Steven Noyes said:
For price/performance, the 5D Mk II is close to perfect. The sealing
is good enough, the AF is not too bad and should (based on 2 years of
5D use and 6 years of 1 series AF use) by more than good enough, and
the 21MP....

Oh yea baby... 21MP for $2700 on a FF sensor...

Steven

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It's simple:

5D MkII > 5D
1D MkIII > 1D MkII

5D (any Mk) is an orange.
1D (any Mk) is an apple.

Some people prefer oranges, others prefer apples. But, it's futile to complain about one not tasting like the other.
 
thundercat said:
To me, a better autofocus system would be far more useful than more
megapixels.
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Others, including landscape photographers and manual focus portrait photographers, would disagree. If you need fast and flexible AF, the 5D series is not for you.
thundercat said:
So, here is how I see it: $2700 for a DSLR that has only one good
autofocus point, since it has only 1 cross-type autofocus point for
f/2.8 or faster lenses.
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It was good enough for the 5D and it sold like hot-cakes, and by some miracle gasp people managed to get some amazing images and very high keeper rates from the 5D. So, I'm pretty the AF in the 5D MkII will be more than good enough for the $2,700 audience it's aimed yet.
 
5D II is a Canon DSLR (apple).

1D III is a Canon DSLR (apple).

So, we're comparing apples to apples here.

It's also not unreasonable to expect Canon to improve the autofocus system of their cameras over time.
 
A healthy used market fuels the manufacturer (Canon) as well. People who buys new will have more incentive to sell off old gear sooner and buy more new gear. Used buyers don't hurt canon. It actually helps. You are just lower on the food chain.
 
Pyrolistical said:
Instead of ordering the new 5D II, I just bought a used 1D II + 24-70
2.8L for the same cost.

If the new offerings from Canon stay on this course, I'll just keep
buying used cameras.
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I don't understand what you mean, you'll "keep" buying used cameras. How many cameras do you plan to buy? If a 1DII met your needs why did you wait until now to buy it? I assume you waited for the price to drop as a result of new models. But how will that work in the future? You'll keep buying used 1DII cameras in the years to come. This seems like an odd strategy and one that has run out right now... you've bought a used 1DII... you're done. Mind you, if that camera works for you today there's no reason it won't continue to work for you next year, and the next.
 
calpolyeda said:
Absolutely. An updated 1Dsm2 in a 5D body.
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Umm...wouldn't that be the 1Ds MkIII ? (if you could detach the permanent battery grip, that is).
calpolyeda said:
The only thing (IMO) that the 5Dm2 has going for it is the 21Mpix and
the High ISO.
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Photography is all about capturing light and ISO is fully 1/3 of the control surface available for controlling exposure to best capture that light. Every 1-stop improvement in ISO allows a 1-stop greater flexibility in shutter speed or aperture.

"The only thing" indeed.
calpolyeda said:
I would really like a Canon D700 with 16Mpix.
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Then get one.
 
I just bought another 1D2N with about 5400 shots on it. My next new Canon will be a 1D Mark IV if it specs out right, focuses properly right out of the box and doesn't have too many pixels.
 
From a practical point of view: I am not a sport journalist, yet in street photography I often work "from the hip". With my 5 D, the keeper rate is not excellent in these circumstances. I agree: better outer AF-fields would help, so it is a deception that the 5 D II has the same AF as the old one. At least it is improbable that there will be bad surprises as with 1 D and Ds III.

I also tend to bracket for security and for HDI. Again I agree: 3 steps with +-2 is not sufficient.

21 MP, sounds nice, but will slow my post processing workflow. Even now, for example, my Alien Skin Image Doctor 2 often refuses to work and my computer is not bad.
Video does not matter for me.

What is certainly important is automatic sensor cleaning - this, if it works, can save time and frustration.

And live view with Zoom might be a huge plus, for example at night, with TS lenses and so on.

If I were new in the game, the D 700 would be my choice. Since I can't afford to change system, I will probably get myself a 5 D II.
 
--Hello!
I understand why he buy an old Canon.
Have you not seen the "New" Canon's ?(50D & 5D MKll)
I'm also become very very dissapointed,so why not wait or buy a "Hi end"used.
I wait for a real test,and then i maybe sell my Canon items and buy a Nikon.

I still hope for a new Canon(Un used),but i dont want to spend more than 3000 Euro for a body.
Maybe Canon soon will come with a 4D or 6D with better AF and no Video.
Thanks!
 
Not really...I can't speak for the 5D II (no one can), but I DID have the 5D. I now have the 1D III. There is NO comparison to the AF abilities between the two cameras. From the written specs of the 5D II, there is NO comparison to the 5DII and the 1D III either. I haven't had a single problem with the focus, and it is, in a word, superb. Oh yeah, I shoot about 60% portrait (children mainly), and 40% landscape, and I thought the 5D's AF sucked, but that just my opinion.
thundercat said:
5D II is a Canon DSLR (apple).

1D III is a Canon DSLR (apple).

So, we're comparing apples to apples here.

It's also not unreasonable to expect Canon to improve the autofocus
system of their cameras over time.
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