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digifan said:
digifan said:
That has also been my experience with the E-420, but I will add that
the camera handles equally well with bigger lenses, e.g., the 14-150.
The technique that works for me is to support the kit with my left
hand under the lens. My right hand then needs to grip the camera only
lightly in order to keep in position to use the controls.
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Which is the only correct way to hold any camera with VF/EVF.
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I agree that that's the way to hold the camera when you are shooting. However, the lack of a more substantial grip on the E-420 does have one shortcoming: It is hard to carry the camera by one hand at your side with a big lens attached. (I easily carry my K10D and Sigma 17-70 that way with a hand strap on the camera.) As a substitute for that technique with the E-420 and 14-150, I use a Y-Strap, which keeps the camera very accessible and quick to use.

Jeff
 
Enjoy your D60, I'm sure it'll take some really good pictures for you. Too bad you passed on the E520 though, it's a superb camers, and the built-in IS is definately worth the extra 100$ over the E420 or D60.

Actually, the best entry-level deal out there right now is probably the E510; very similar to the 520, but over 100$ cheaper.
 
to point to as an example of how truly accepting we are of other brands as Olympus users. When someone makes an intelligent choice of another camera for their use, people here support it fully.

Awesome :) Enjoy your D60!

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Congratulations on your new purchase and (as others have stated) I think you made the right decision.

I think how the camera feels in your hand is probably the most important factor and definitely more important than the minor differences that you get from buying a camera (within the same price bracket) from one brand or another.

Enjoy your camera.
 
Seems they get sold now? The price cut is noticable but it´s still more expensive than E520 DZ Kit? I saw many of this new SB800 flashguns on ebay (digigood), so maybe its a good time to get one if you want one (got my FL-36R there for GBP 109 and had FL-50R listed below 200, and they are sold out now, so can´t get another one for this price).

Hope it sits right to your needs & takes you many good pictures !
 
Mangojuice said:
was too small. The E520 fitted like a glove but that was more than I
wanted to spend. So I tried the next camera on my list which was the
D60.
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What was the price difference between the E520 and D60 over yonder? On Amazon (US), it is $16. Is it a different scale over there between them?

But, both cameras are fine, of course. Congrats on the purchase!

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I've held the D60 and actually had the opposite response-the grip felt uncomfortable. Since I too got used to using cameras without any grip, using the left hand cradling the lens technique, what matters to me isn't the grip itself but whether it doesn't leave enough room between the lens and the grip for my fat fingers.

I have free use of a friend's Canon XSI. It's a little larger than the D60, but the shape of the grip is notably different, and for some reason the shutter release just feels oddly positioned to my hands.

The result is I still perfer using my little Kodak z712is. The Canon is a great camera, but I've gotten used to the Kodak and I just feel more comfortable taking pictures with it. No, the tiny sensor doesn't match the Canon output, especially with RAW. And of course there are other niggling things inherent in a sub $200 UltraZoom.

But I enjoy taking pictures with it an they seem to be decent ones:





(Had to throw my own cat shot in there ;-)

I have pretty big hands, and getting used to something as small as the z712is was a challenge (since my current film camera is a relatively "bulky" Minolta 430si). Now I haven't tried the feel of the E420 because I want a camera with IS. The E520 feels a tad small if I try to support it too much with the grip. But using the same type of hold I did with my various OMs, the camera feels nice. Yet, I may be an oddball, but I like that the new E-A1 is closer in size to the E3 than the E520.

People ask me why I want to stick with Olympus even after using the Canon. The answer is because of all the cameras I've used Nikon F2 and F3, FM and FG, Canon AE-1. A-1 F-1 and New F-1, Olympus OM-1, OM-2, OMPC and lately Minolta autofocus, The Olympus cameras have been the one that were most enjoyable to use.

The key is to go with the camera that will be just that: enjoyable to use. Honestly, in a given price range of dslrs, the pixel-peeping differences in IQ aren't going to matter that much in the bulk of most people's picture taking-and displaying-situations. Essentially, I make do with what best fits my hands-and my wallet-at the present time. As the saying goes "The best camera is the one you have with you..."
 
Do these Parthian shots happen in other forums?

Personally I bought my first Olympus only a year ago but I didn't feel the need to advertise it, nor will I do it if I feel the need to go and buy another system.

It just feeds insecurity in other users, and there is already enough of that in this forum.

But if the buzzword is to affect indifference, OK I can play the game: anything goes.

Am.
charliedid said:
I as just kidding.....
amalric said:
Exactly. What is the need to show on the forum you are leaving that
you prefer another brand?

I think it's kind of sick, and it makes me laugh to see other members
behaving like Christian martyrs.

Am.
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I'll second the point that an e510 dual lens kit is very attractive and fits your hand just like the 520 ;)

less than $550 on Amazon (USA) right now

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I also recommended the E-420 to two friends recently. One ended up buying the E-520 (inbody IS), and the other bought the Sony A300 (IS + adjustable LCD).

Both are very happy with their purchases.

(I'm a Canon shooter myself.)
 
gurin said:
I tried the same experiment with the wife. Our E500 and E330 are
essentially too heavy for her. So try the E410 I thought. We went,
she looked, and then she said. That one will not take the pictures I
want. It is too small and it will not balance. I want this one, she
said holding another body. It says here that it is weather sealed.
Does it take our lenses? But honey isn’t it a little heavy, asked I.
It doesn’t matter to me, she countered, since you will carry it and I
will tell you what to shoot, as always.

So I got the E3 :-)

gurin
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Hehe, good one!

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Thank you all for your messages. I know the D60 will serve me well for my needs at the moment once I get it setup the way I want and learn about its particular peculiarities.

I will continue to lurk here if you don't mind because the majority of you people seem to be well balanced. It will also keep me informed of all gossip related to Olympus.

I'm not a blinkered fanboy of Olympus but, in the past with SLR's, I always appreciated the quality of Zuiko glass. Infact, it was due to the similarities with the old OM series cameras that I didn't think ergonomics of the E420 would be a problem. Can't quite understand why it didn't work for me but I'm not losing any sleep over it. My investment isn't so great that it will prevent me changing in the future.

In the meantime I fully intend to take the advise of the many posters and take lots of photos. I may even and up with some keepers...
 
Mangojuice said:
it was too small.
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Just glue or tape a few pieces of hard rubber here and there, you'll be fine.

Sheesh. This is an SLR. It's supposed to hold different lenses. Including big ones. A flash. It's supposed to be held on a tripod. You are supposed to carry it, with two, three, four lenses, a flash, and a second body, in a photo bag. Then you'll appreciate "small".

Anyway, it's a free country. Somewhere.

'scuse the rant.
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I have an OM-4, and while it's smaller than the E-5xx bodies, it's noticably heavier. I'm wondering if the 420's weight (or lack of) contributed to it just not feeling right to you?
In the end it doesn't matter, as long as what you have works for you.

Me? when I pick up that OM, I wonder how I carried it around all day (w a 100-500mm lens, no less!)
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The D60 is a very nice small camera. I really like Nikon ergonomically. Don't know about the kit lens that usually comes with it though. 18-55mm VR? The biggest reason I don't shoot more with my D300 is the glass I own for it (16-85VR and the 70-300VR). My $100 40-150 Oly kit lens is sharper than the $500 70-300 VR. And, it's so tiny and light I don't mind carrying it anywhere! The 16-85VR is miles behind the 12-60 Zuiko. Hence, I tend to grab the Oly over Nikon when both are handy.

Enjoy the Nikon and spring for NX2 if you can (and if you are shooting raw). The trial lasts a very generous 60 days. It really helps in getting closer to Oly color rendition (which is just a bit off in ACR even with the new profiles)

Cheers,
Lee
 
I think I'll shut down the computer.

So the E-420 is too small and too light. Do you realize that people worked really hard to achieve exactly that?

This is really strange. You can complain about lack of features, flimsiness.

But complaining about small size and light weight as defects by themselves, it's ridiculous.

Unless you are shopping for a paperweight or a doorstop.
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