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LuzArt said:
Well I appiled for permission from my local member for domestic
affairs and was given the go ahead to trade up to the K20D.
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Congratulations, Ben. An engagement present for yourself? ;-)
LuzArt said:
Man, what a camera. Such an improvement over the K10 and that was a
great camera to begin with. The refinements are so nice, for those
still umming and arring on getting one or to those newbies on the
Pentax scene wondering if you should, here's my observations (all
others, scroll down for some images):

Shutter sound - first thing i noticed, definately quieter - i'll be
more comfortable snapping away in a church during a wedding ceremony.
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I forgot about how quiet the K20D was compared to the K10D so thanks for reminding me.
LuzArt said:
Exposure - it's bang on all the time. I used to think it was me
getting it wrong whenever I had exposure issues with the K10. Nup.
The 20 blows it out of the water. Bang on. Unsure if I'll always
use the D-Range feature, it sometimes seems to underexpose too much.
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I have noticed that the D-Range seems to underexpose a little, too.
LuzArt said:
Focus - It is noticeably faster and definately more accurate. My 77
is the only lens so far that i've dialed in a significant amount of
adjustment, a quick hack test of all my lenses only so far. I'll do
some more testing, but the AF is just better anyway. It locks and
stays locked and it's right on, it doesn't need to hunt. Did I say
it was quicker? ;)
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It seems that way to me, and it also seems that way to quite a few others.
LuzArt said:
Higher ISO Noise - awesome, I'm so pleased. ISO800 is totally
useable, 1600 too if need be though some more noise, but in all
better noise than the K10D sensor IMO. I'm unsure how much NR to use
in camera if at all. So far the Weak setting is good, but then C1 4
still applies too much - they haven't written an algorithm to adjust
accordingly if the in-cam NR has been applied. Basically the default
noise setting for the K20 in C1 4 is overkill IMO, too much detail
lost.
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Interesting you should say that C1 4 is overkill in default the noise application. What is the normal amount you use?

I have just upgraded to Cpature One Pro at EUR299 in preparation for their upgrade to Capture One 4 Pro. The reduction was too good to resist. It can't read K20D PEF's yet, but when the upgrade comes along next month it will be ok.
LuzArt said:
Anyhoo, on to some photos. Nothing special, no PPG candidates here
but just a wander around nearby home on a glorious London autumn day.
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Looking good, mate.

The resolution increase is quite something as youi can see by your crop. I have shot a few "events" for people lately and cropping has become quite handy. I did a friend's 40th at ISO800 and flash and they were extatic with the results, as was I. I was quite amazed that printed at A4 and plenty of dark areas and no noise whatsoever!

I also did my daughters graduation from high school using ISO800. I had to stand at the back of the hall with my FA*80-200 and DA*300 and could not use flash as it was too far away. It was plenty dark and I had to use f5.6 and shutter speeds like 1/50! Anyway, they turned out brilliantly. :-)

Anyway, great sample shots and I look forward to seeing some of your great work with the new K20D. :-)

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Lance B
http://www.pbase.com/lance_b

 
Nice on Ben, I am glad you are impressed by the K20D, I know I am. Test images with those lenses look good. Will be looking forward to some of your pro work with this camera.

Cheers
Ron
Sydney, Aust.
 
Lance B said:
LuzArt said:
Exposure - it's bang on all the time. I used to think it was me
getting it wrong whenever I had exposure issues with the K10. Nup.
The 20 blows it out of the water. Bang on. Unsure if I'll always
use the D-Range feature, it sometimes seems to underexpose too much.
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I have noticed that the D-Range seems to underexpose a little, too.
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Hmmm. I'll keep tinkering with it, but it may be best for shadows to just be careful as usual with preserving highlights rather than having to lift the whole exposure later. It's an interesting concept though, as i say i'll keep playing with it.
Lance B said:
Lance B said:
Higher ISO Noise - awesome, I'm so pleased. ISO800 is totally
useable, 1600 too if need be though some more noise, but in all
better noise than the K10D sensor IMO. I'm unsure how much NR to use
in camera if at all. So far the Weak setting is good, but then C1 4
still applies too much - they haven't written an algorithm to adjust
accordingly if the in-cam NR has been applied. Basically the default
noise setting for the K20 in C1 4 is overkill IMO, too much detail
lost.
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Interesting you should say that C1 4 is overkill in default the noise
application. What is the normal amount you use?
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I actually knocked the NR in C1 4 right down to 0 then brought each slider up till i thought it was ok.

Keeping in mind i tested this with having used the 'Weak' option of the K20's own NR. So in C1 4, for 200 i used around 5 on each slider for Luminance and Colour, 400 i've used more like 7 and 10 then for ISO800 i tried 10 and 13 approx.

I'm sure it will vary but if you use in-cam NR, you definately need to lower the NR in C1 4, IMO. Mind you, it's such a huge file, i'm not sure even an A3 print would matter if you used in-cam NR and no NR in C1 4, same for these web jpegs - it's probably not that noticeable. Just my experience so far, it's a work in progress :)
Lance B said:
I have just upgraded to Cpature One Pro at EUR299 in preparation for
their upgrade to Capture One 4 Pro. The reduction was too good to
resist. It can't read K20D PEF's yet, but when the upgrade comes
along next month it will be ok.
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What features are going to be in the Pro version Lance? Do you think you will see it replacing Photoshop for you?
Lance B said:
The resolution increase is quite something as youi can see by your
crop. I have shot a few "events" for people lately and cropping has
become quite handy. I did a friend's 40th at ISO800 and flash and
they were extatic with the results, as was I. I was quite amazed that
printed at A4 and plenty of dark areas and no noise whatsoever!

I also did my daughters graduation from high school using ISO800. I
had to stand at the back of the hall with my FA*80-200 and DA*300 and
could not use flash as it was too far away. It was plenty dark and I
had to use f5.6 and shutter speeds like 1/50! Anyway, they turned out
brilliantly. :-)
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Yep, the file size (thanks to a nearly 50% increase in MP's) and the incredible noise difference from the K10's sensor makes cropping a real delight :)
Lance B said:
Anyway, great sample shots and I look forward to seeing some of your
great work with the new K20D. :-)
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Thanks mate, looking forward to doing more soon.

Ben

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http://www.luzartphotography.com
http://luzart.blogspot.com
 
Hey mate, good to see you are more than pleased with it.. much better than being underwhelmed!

I think I'll stick with the K10D a while yet.. convinced that the next premium model from Pentax will be more of quantum leap forward so hanging out for that.

I hope I'm not wrong, it could be a long wait otherwise. I am not sure I am going to 'Beta' test new models right off the rack - I'll leave that to others and make the purchase when I am confident it's the goods!

Cheers

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Brett
http://www.pbase.com/shreder



The Journey is the Thing
 
ben,

congrats on the k20. nice shots.

the k20 is no doubt a great camera, but like brett, i'll likely stick to the k10 for a while.

i also started with the DL, then upgraded to the k10. my wife now uses the DL.

i did hint to her yesterday that pentax has released the k2000 then slid in that the k30 will also be out next year.

her response? why do we need 2 new bodies?

we'll see next year. :)

regards,

jordan

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'when 900 years you reach, look as good you will not'
-- master yoda

http://jordanpaw.zenfolio.com
 
You've had some good weather over last few days to try out the new purchase! I think we'll be putting the weather proofing to test soon though...

Nice pics - I like first crop and the sleepy fox (but wish they would be that way at night time here - they're incredibly noisy in our neighbourhood from about 10pm onwards!).

Enjoy the new cam.

Jon
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http://jonschick.smugmug.com/
 
LuzArt said:
Man, what a camera. Such an improvement over the K10 and that was a
great camera to begin with.
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I'm starting to think that my K10D was a late revision because I don't see much of what people see improved in the K20D over the K10D, except for high ISO noice and WB accuracy.
LuzArt said:
Shutter sound - first thing i noticed, definately quieter - i'll be
more comfortable snapping away in a church during a wedding ceremony.
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For example, I don't hear any big difference. I still have my K10D, I'll definitively record the two sounds side by side.
LuzArt said:
Exposure - it's bang on all the time. I used to think it was me
getting it wrong whenever I had exposure issues with the K10. Nup.
The 20 blows it out of the water. Bang on. Unsure if I'll always
use the D-Range feature, it sometimes seems to underexpose too much.
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Don't see much differences. The K20D still needs EC for me, especially with some lenses (the 77 for example underexposes)
LuzArt said:
Focus - It is noticeably faster and definitely more accurate.
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Once again I'll test it side by side, but I didn't see any significant differences. Maybe AF-C is a bit less lame, but not quite sure.
LuzArt said:
Higher ISO Noise - awesome, I'm so pleased. ISO800 is totally
useable, 1600 too if need be though some more noise, but in all
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Yes, noise is better controlled on the K20D and finer grained too. We loose less details at ISO1600 for example. But ISO3200 and 6400 are not really great.

WB seems also much better on the K20D.
LuzArt said:
Anyhoo, on to some photos. Nothing special, no PPG candidates here
but just a wander around nearby home on a glorious London autumn day.
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Nice set, thanks for sharing.

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Manu

 
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