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They always do this. Remember the E330? Perfect camera for serious shooting, they killed it by marketing LV as being for P&Sers.

This thing is also for serious shooters who are prepared to run a smaller system, they'll knacker it by sticking a "girlie" label on it.

If the 7-14 is good, I'll be all over it.
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As Hong Kong based ebay retailers go, they are probably about as good as it gets. But..... they're a Hong Kong based ebay retailer (and a long way from Amazon).....

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this is ridiculous, Panasonic get a hand on an Olympus flash, put lumix on it and up the price.

http://www.digitalrev.com/en/panasonic-dmw-fl360-external-flash-for-panasonic-lumix-4275.html

same with the FL-50

http://www.digitalrev.com/en/panasonic-dmw-fl500-external-flash-for-panasonic-lumix-4273.html

anyone with half a brain cell would see that the olympus flash would work just as well.

unless panasonic have done some really clever things to make it work with the other cameras. but they still stand as some of the most expensive flashguns ive seen. when looking at performance vs. price.

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when it first came out in Japan: 112,300 yen, or $1059, for a two-lens kit at Kitamura Camera.

http://shop.kitamura.jp/disp/CSfDispListPage_001.jsp?action=search&dispNo=&sort=02&q=LUMIX+G1&x=18&y=13

I remember seeing the E-510 two-lens kit for 125,000 yen at the same shop.

I don't know how much the E-520 was, but I suspect around the same. Now, 4 months later, it's 85,800 yen. You can get it for around 72,000 if you shop around.

(The D60 2-lens kit is about the same as the 520, BTW. Maybe $20-30 cheaper.)

The G1 is the first camera of its kind. Ever. So they'll gouge a few geeks who've gotta have it before anybody else, then the price will come down. Business as usual. Shrug.

Julie
 
It's expensive but is it too expensive? I don't think it can be compared to an E-420 + kit lens.

G1+ kit lens has IS / E420 + kit lens doesn't
G1 has direct control for most functions / E-420 has functions disabled
G1 has 12mp new sensor / E-420 has 10mp old sensor
G1 has state of the art EVF / E-420 has tiny OVF

The G1 would probably compare very well indeed with the New Olympus 'Tweener' on specification and as such should probably fall between the E- and the E-3.

Looking at the spec of the G1 I see very little that it couldn't do that even an E-3 can and I use an E-3. The premium you pay is for the EVF, the size benefit and a lens that IMO will compare to one from the Olympus Pro (Mid) range.

The G1 may be small but it isn't a toy unlike what Olympus appear to be proposing for m4/3rds.

Regarding pocketability, theres a video clip on four thirds user showing the Olympus m4/3rds concept, I can't see it being pocketable any more than the G1 unless you've got big pockets.
 
The E-3/E-XX can use all 4/3 lenses. The G1 can use 4 Leica lenses and the kit lenses from Oly. And don't forget that the kit lenses of the G1 are slow and that the prime and the superzoom are still not available.
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graveur said:
The E-3/E-XX can use all 4/3 lenses. The G1 can use 4 Leica lenses
and the kit lenses from Oly.
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IMO that isn't relevant, at least not where the price of the G1 is concerned. Thats like saying the E-3 is too expensive as the E-420 can use everything that the E-3 can at a fraction of the price. In any case 4/3rds isn't m4/3rds and if you're going to use fast 4/3rds lenses (even if they did have 100% compatability) there's not much point in buying an m4/3rds body.
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And don't forget that the kit lenses of
the G1 are slow and that the prime and the superzoom are still not
available.
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The lenses may be slow and thats a fair point however the fact that the other lenses aren't available has no bearing on whether the G1 is too expensive or not. The cost of the G1 body doesn't rise or fall in relation to the number of available lenses.
 
Actually, Pana were making the FL36 and FL50 for Oly before they joined up to FT.
 
kevin wilkins said:
this is ridiculous, Panasonic get a hand on an Olympus flash, put
lumix on it and up the price.

unless panasonic have done some really clever things to make it work
with the other cameras.
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You reckon I'll be abble to use my Metz 48 AF-1 for Olympus/Panasonic?
It is socket compatible right?

At least it's upgradeable through USB in caseMetz has to do something about it...
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René Schuster said:
for the one lens and the double lens kit. Can´t find a body only price.

http://www.redcoon.de/index.php/cmd/shop/a/ProductList/cid/10015/?insert=shopSearch&searchCategory=10015&searchSort=&searchBrand=5&searchPrices=all

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Ouch, this is unreal price, they are going to kill it right after start ... Panasonic said, that here should be price 650 euros for single kit and 800 for double-zoom kit, but this doesn't seem to be true now ...

I know that there are lot of investments and few expensive features (as great EVF) in G1, but how many people buy basic dz kit for 1200 euros?
 
The fact there are no lenses yet is not likely to be reflected in the price.

My problem is that since it is "standard grade" prices it will probably get "standard grade" lenses, which I do not want. If the camera / lens combination cannot match the optical quality of the E3 and Pro Grade lenses then it isn't going to be on my shopping list.

It remains an interesting and worthy idea though, and I think it will decimate 4/3rds low end sales. Oly should have done this, not Panny. I'd saddened for them.
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It is by your math, cheaper than the Canon Drebel 450D.

The only thing the 450D lhas on it is 0.5 fps.

Otherwise, it has more focus points,a larger buffer(by one RAW), a tilt and swivel screen and a VF that likely eats the 450D pentamirror for breakfast as far as size is concerned.

And according to you math, it is actually priced competitively with the cripple-cam 1000D.

It isn't as bad as people are saying.

It gives me hope for the Olympus version.

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Louis_Dobson said:
and multiplying by the exchange rate.

Cameras are much cheaper in the US. You won't get charged anything
like that (you lucky gits).
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Not so, we are talking about EU (actually German and Czech) pricing. You are right that US is much cheaper than EU, but this apply on almost any photo gear (except some Canon bodies, which are actually pretty cheap in Europe btw).

That means if G1 set will cost 900 euros in EU and 900 USD in States, that's okay. But it is applicable on anything (as E-3 cost here 1500 EUR and in US 1500 USD), because you should buy anything in EU OR in States, so I found this pricing very ambitious in Europe same as in States in comparison to DSLR competition ... Hope it has more sense now :) .
 
Louis_Dobson said:
AF and FPS. And ruggedised. These are the things you pay for.

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I agree, compare the E-3 and the E-420 or even E-520 and there are valid reasons for the price difference. If the differences are things you need then the price is worth paying and the E-3 is for my needs the only current option.

The G1 however is very interesting and it makes use of some very new technology. I would like something much more compact than the E-3, my choices really come down to the E-420 and G1. Compared to the E-3 I'd have to scarifice weathersealing, frame rate isn't so important to me. I do however like to have direct access to controls and that's an area where the E-420 suffers (unnescessarily to a degree) but the G1 seems to excel.

It comes down to compromise in the end but I feel that the G1 would suit my needs better than the E-420 even though the E-420 is fully compatible with my lenses (11-22/14-54/50-200/EC-1.4) As I said previously though I don't see much point in buying a G1 on the basis that it's more compact than a 4/3rds camera if I'm going to use heavy 4/3rds Pro lenses.

I too would have preferred Olympus to build the High Spec m4/3rds body, based around the E-300/330 form and with in body IS it would have probably been perfect for my needs. That said I doubt if it'll happen, I don't believe that Olympus will replicate the E-System in an m4/3rds based system (nor will Panasonic for that matter)

Ultimately the individual has to decide where they spend their cash but looking at the specification of the G1 and lens (which has IS) I feel it's unrealistic to expect it to be cheap.

Additionaly there is the way one percieves m4/3rds. Some see it as a compact back-up to be used in conjunction with the E-System (or 4/3rds) others, like myself see it as perhaps being an alternative to the E-System 4/3rds. That clearly will dictate how m4/3rds is viewed with regard to cost.

I'm looking forward to the reviews of the G1 even if it's unlikely that I'll be able to afford to buy one.
 
Shows one in the photo, but it isn't mentioned in the ad copy. I tend to think the lens would have been mentioned (especially as an IS lens) if it were included.

Without glass, that's way too expensive.

With the 14-42, it's pricey but might be worth it.
 
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