Paul Simon needs a new song death of Kodachrome

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I miss my Kodachrome. Back in the day, I literally used to buy the stuff by the case from B&H, with pre-paid processing. Kodak had a lab in Chicago, and I would get 24 hour turnaround time on processing. They would even send to my house via UPS if I elected not to pick it up at the lab, no extra charge. (I used to live in Chicago, so it was easy to get my film developed.)

Since Kodak dropped Kodachrome processing a number of years ago, the turnaround time is 7-10 days, and the quality of processing isn't as good. I finally had to switch to Fuji when I was still shooting 35mm film.

Now that I shoot digital, I enjoy photography a lot more and do a lot more of it, but I still miss chromes. Prints aren't as satisfying as a good transparency. I still have my 4x5 gear, but I rarely use it because without expensive scanning, I can't do anything with the output.

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I shot a lot of Kodachrome - if it goes away, it will be a shame, even though I don't use it at all any more (or any film). On the other hand, Kodachrome 200 was probably as grainy as ISO 1600 on the 40D (or maybe worse), no exposure latitude, hard to scan properly. But projected - that was the best.
 
I have very little experience with slides, but I thought I read somewhere that Velvia had surpassed Kodachrome.
 
I never thought I'd see the death of Kodachrome. I always though film would be around forever - like LP's in audio. In the 70's I used nothing but Kodachrome for years. Kodachrome 25 was almost grainless, but not much use in anything other than bright daylight. I'll be sad to see it go even though I haven't used it in about 10 years.

I've tried scanning Kodachrome slides, but there's nothing around that will capture its dynamic range. I used to make Cibachrome prints from Kodachrome slides. Now that was an awesome combination - prints that were almost as good a projecting a slide!

On the other hand, digital is sooo much more convenient ... you couldn't pay me enough to go back into a darkroom! However, I've always been vaguely disappointed in the impact of digital images and I think that in my mind I'm comparing them to projected Kodachrome slides.

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Yes Velvia killed off Kodachrome years ago as it was virtually grainless and had great colour saturation that landscape photographers loved.
 
Perhaps in resolution, but Kodachrome had much more realistic colour, and also unparalleled longevity (if stored out of direct light).

I never liked Velvia personally - a bit too vivid for my taste, but then that was the whole point of it. Fuji did a ton of research, and a large majority of people preferred extra saturation to real colours, and so Velvia was designed that way.
 
Yes, it will be a sad day when it goes. I have used it since 1956 because it always gave me much better results than the "cheapies". I believe the ASA (ISO) back then was either 7 or 8 (I can't remember which), but it soon moved to 10. What a contrast with the digital speeds now! The slides I took back then are just as "pure" as the day they were taken and could be compared to much of the current digital stuff today.

Warren
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Kodachrome was best with reds, and skin tones...and especially orange/red evening light (sunsets).

Velvia is the king of greens and blues making it ideal for landscapes.

IMO, they are both great at some stuff and decent for others. They are not even close to interchangeable.
 
It was enjoyable hearing the perspectives of Alex Webb and Steve McCurry - two of my all time favorite photographers.

The heyday of Kodachrome was before my time, and I never used it (though I've shot hundreds of rolls of Fuji and Kodak E-6 slide films), but many of the images from the past 40 or so years that have most deeply touched me have been taken with this film. Truly the end (?) of an era.

I should also add that although I now use Digital about 90% of the time, I often find it hard to get the "look" I want whereas it happens with almost no effort when I use slide film (usually Fuji Sensia for low cost).
 
...emulsion-side contouring made scanning difficult with auto-correction of dust and scratches all but impossible. Honestly, Fuji's transparency films, and the latest-generation Ektachromes from Kodak are appreciably superior options for the film shooter in terms of latitude, color accuracy and "scanability." Which, undoubtedly, is why Kodachrome languishes.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/09/22/kodakchrome.fading.ap/index.html
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...emulsion-side contouring made scanning difficult with
auto-correction of dust and scratches all but impossible. Honestly,
Fuji's transparency films, and the latest-generation Ektachromes from
Kodak are appreciably superior options for the film shooter in terms
of latitude, color accuracy and "scanability." Which, undoubtedly, is
why Kodachrome languishes.
Let us know what they look like after 50 years or more. Kodachrome is archival.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/09/22/kodakchrome.fading.ap/index.html
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bg

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Poorly maintained Kodachromes mold and scratch as easily as E-6 films. How well are you taking care of your chromes? And I'll wager that well maintained E-6 films will last just as long as Kodachromes. My E-6 slides approaching 15 years old certainly haven't suffered any more color loss than have my Kodachromes–which is to say none that can be noticed. Maybe in 35 years they'll have become faded enough to be unusable, but I somehow doubt it.
...emulsion-side contouring made scanning difficult with
auto-correction of dust and scratches all but impossible. Honestly,
Fuji's transparency films, and the latest-generation Ektachromes from
Kodak are appreciably superior options for the film shooter in terms
of latitude, color accuracy and "scanability." Which, undoubtedly, is
why Kodachrome languishes.
Let us know what they look like after 50 years or more. Kodachrome is
archival.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/09/22/kodakchrome.fading.ap/index.html
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Photography, It ain't the same old Art form it used to be....

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Cheers,

bg

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telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my
telephone.'
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Poorly maintained Kodachromes mold and scratch as easily as E-6
films. How well are you taking care of your chromes? And I'll wager
that well maintained E-6 films will last just as long as Kodachromes.
My E-6 slides approaching 15 years old certainly haven't suffered any
more color loss than have my Kodachromes–which is to say none that
can be noticed. Maybe in 35 years they'll have become faded enough to
be unusable, but I somehow doubt it.
Proper storage is a given, but there is one key difference between Kodachrome and E-6 films. Kodachrome is a silver based emulsion, while E-6 films are dye based. Silver based emulsions are inherently more stable, hence the archival qualities of Kodachrome. Kodachrome actually starts as B&W and the dyes are added during processing, so it actually has storage properties closer to those of B&W film.

On a historical note, the diffusion method of processing used in processing Kodachrome came about because of difficulties in developing the dye couplers necessary to include the dye layers in the emulsion. One effect of this was increased sharpness due to the thinner emulsion. When Kodak finally got the dye technology right, they introduced the E-6 films, but Kodachrome was always a better film. It's technically very difficult to process, which is one of the factors that led to it's demise. K-14 lines are very expensive to set up and maintain. Kodak actually closed it's Kodachrome line in Chicago in the mid 80's because they couldn't get enough quality help to keep up their standards, and moved all the K-14 processing from the Chicago lab to their lab in Findley, OH. And I still got 24 hour turnaround.
...emulsion-side contouring made scanning difficult with
auto-correction of dust and scratches all but impossible. Honestly,
Fuji's transparency films, and the latest-generation Ektachromes from
Kodak are appreciably superior options for the film shooter in terms
of latitude, color accuracy and "scanability." Which, undoubtedly, is
why Kodachrome languishes.
Let us know what they look like after 50 years or more. Kodachrome is
archival.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/09/22/kodakchrome.fading.ap/index.html
--
Photography, It ain't the same old Art form it used to be....

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Cheers,

bg

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telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my
telephone.'
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Cheers,

bg

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Poorly maintained Kodachromes mold and scratch as easily as E-6
films. How well are you taking care of your chromes? And I'll wager
that well maintained E-6 films will last just as long as Kodachromes.
My E-6 slides approaching 15 years old certainly haven't suffered any
more color loss than have my Kodachromes–which is to say none that
can be noticed. Maybe in 35 years they'll have become faded enough to
be unusable, but I somehow doubt it.
Proper storage is a given, but there is one key difference between
Kodachrome and E-6 films. Kodachrome is a silver based emulsion,
while E-6 films are dye based. Silver based emulsions are inherently
more stable, hence the archival qualities of Kodachrome. Kodachrome
actually starts as B&W and the dyes are added during processing, so
it actually has storage properties closer to those of B&W film.

On a historical note, the diffusion method of processing used in
processing Kodachrome came about because of difficulties in
developing the dye couplers necessary to include the dye layers in
the emulsion. One effect of this was increased sharpness due to the
thinner emulsion. When Kodak finally got the dye technology right,
they introduced the E-6 films, but Kodachrome was always a better
film. It's technically very difficult to process, which is one of the
factors that led to it's demise. K-14 lines are very expensive to set
up and maintain. Kodak actually closed it's Kodachrome line in
Chicago in the mid 80's because they couldn't get enough quality help
to keep up their standards, and moved all the K-14 processing from
the Chicago lab to their lab in Findley, OH. And I still got 24 hour
turnaround.
...but I knew all that. Photography was my minor course of study at university. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissin' on Kodachrome, just that it had its weaknesses as well as its obvious strengths, and I wasn't hesitant about to better emulsions when they came along–better for latitude, better for direct positive printing, better for accurate color, and better in this digital age for scanning when, for most all my clients, digital files are what's required.

Anyhoo, better get all the Kodachrome you can while you can. Shoot and process it, too, before the lab shuts down, too.

Cheers.
...emulsion-side contouring made scanning difficult with
auto-correction of dust and scratches all but impossible. Honestly,
Fuji's transparency films, and the latest-generation Ektachromes from
Kodak are appreciably superior options for the film shooter in terms
of latitude, color accuracy and "scanability." Which, undoubtedly, is
why Kodachrome languishes.
Let us know what they look like after 50 years or more. Kodachrome is
archival.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/09/22/kodakchrome.fading.ap/index.html
--
Photography, It ain't the same old Art form it used to be....

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Cheers,

bg

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telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my
telephone.'
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Cheers,

bg

'I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my
telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my
telephone.'
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