OT - 5DII (Canon)

I know this is OT, apologies, but I really can't face wading into the shark infested waters that are the Canon forum.

The 5DII looks like a winner to me (I don't want one myself mind, but I can understand why people would). Apparently it is getting a very mixed reception. Why? What are they all moaning about?

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I owned the original 5D and was very happy with image quality.

I am considering the second version as I have a few lenses still, but also considering a D700.

I will wait to see image quality first, I feel there are loads of good bodies about now for either FF or APS

Phil

Heh!

1.

Come on Louis, they moan because they are the moaning sort of people. I am that sometimes and recognize the feeling.

Think about they; they were moaning for months, or years, endlessly debating what Canon would need to do to improve the 5D. That was before they even knew anything about the Mark II model.

Now the specifications are out and you can imagine how much more there is to whine about now.

Why stop? It gives meaning to your life.

2.

Now why limit this to the Canon forum? The discussion in here about the content, and lack of content, in the Episodes preceeding the E-3 release wasn't always exactly constructive. Then the E-3 finally was released, just as the 5D MarkII after a long time of waiting btw, and then what happened?

3.

Wait a moment and somebody will tell you this is the wrong forum. There are actually forums discussing psychology out there. You see, there is always something to complain and whine about we just have different focus.

4.

A full turn is completed. We are humans. Many of us are a bit egocentric and need to tell the world about our ideas, "needs", demands and splendid qualities in general, right?!



Cheers,

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Jonas

Hi Louis!!

Still with the D3? Nice camera indeed!!

I don't like so much the new 5d mkII. Too MegaPixels make large files an the IQ seems to be not excellent even if Canon provide good High ISO performances... I still prefer the D700!

Best wishes from Italy!

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But they still need an EXCUSE to moan, and I can't see one. I'd expect them to be jumping with joy. It seems to be what they hoped for, only a bit more.

If there's some horrid gotcha with it that I missed, I'd be interested to know.
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I think they're complaining that they haven't got a 1DSmkIII in a 5D body at 40D prices.

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I think the main gripe is that they've kept the 5D's features ('crippled' AF , FPS) rather than make it more 'pro' and risk competing with the 1DSmkIII.

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They seem to have three choices:

High performance, normal image quality, at a reasonable price.
Normal performance, high image quality, at a reasonable price (the 5DII).
High performance, high image quality, at a high price.

What do they want, blood?

Please don't take this as a sign I've become some sort of Canon fan, I don't much like the lenses, the interface or the company, and I'll take the Nikon every time for FF, and the E3 overall. But they seem to have taken a big step forward with the 5DII.

There must be more to it than this. I'm expecting amazingly slow JPG writing or prehistoric focusing system or something. The headline specs look excellent.
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They're just idiots then. Thanks for the heads up.

[fx: wanders off, bored]
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Louis_Dobson said:

But they still need an EXCUSE to moan, and I can't see one. I'd
expect them to be jumping with joy. It seems to be what they hoped
for, only a bit more.

If there's some horrid gotcha with it that I missed, I'd be
interested to know.

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The way I figure it is that they (we) really are a lot. Most Canon users are probably just happy and jumping by joy and impatience. They just don't feel the need to post about it.

I moan as well - because I'm not wealthy enough to line up for the Mark II. Maybe I should start a thread about that. Nah.

Then there are parts of the psychology I don't understand. There may very well be a difference between people following the herd and the free thinkers. The former seem to be many and it doesn't bode well for the planet.

Maybe somebody knows how such things work. Asimov is dead now but I'm sure there are other smart and educated thinkers out there being able to tell us about psycho-history.

Cheers,

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Jonas

Louis_Dobson said:

There must be more to it than this. I'm expecting amazingly slow JPG
writing or prehistoric focusing system or something. The headline
specs look excellent.

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Well, they are actually complaining about the AF system, and also asking question about the fps rate seeing Sony moving more megabytes to the memory card per second than the Mark II.

The point is that some always have to complain about something = their special needs aren't met.

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Jonas

Gidday Jonas

Jonas B said:

Heh!

1.

Come on Louis, they moan because they are the moaning sort of people.
I am that sometimes and recognize the feeling.

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Join the club ...

.............. SNIP

Jonas B said:

4.

A full turn is completed. We are humans. Many of us are a bit
egocentric and need to tell the world about our ideas, "needs",
demands and splendid qualities in general, right?!

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Why is this forum here, if not for this? Sometimes we accidentally help one another, on the way past ...

Jonas B said:

Cheers,

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Jonas

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Spot on, mate. Couldn't have said it as well myself ...

BUT I do tend to agree with Louis about the "shark-infested waters" - rotflmho ... at least no one here has threatened any one else's family (happened on the Canon Pro forum just before last Christmas - UGH!).

Regards, john from Melbourne, Australia.
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Gidday John

klownshed said:

I think they're complaining that they haven't got a 1DSmkIII in a 5D
body at 40D prices.

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Also spot on ... Don't we all?

Regards, john from Melbourne, Australia.
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I think they are moaning because 5D is still a very good camera and the expectations for the new model were higher than average. In light of the late Sony release 5D does not look as far-ahead as many canon folks did expect it to be. My opinion.

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As a 5D user, but non participator of the moaning the biggest gripes are:

• nobody wants movie mode; my take is you don't have to use it
• nobody wants 21mp; my take is if the noise is as good as the mk I who cares
• the AF is the same as the MK I
• the viewfinder coverage is still not 100%

-still 1/200 flash sync - who cares use FP

I think they can't see the forest from the trees. Some great innovations:

• highlight tone priority = if this works like the 40D, fantastic.
• iso 25600 - looks like present 3200 from what I've seen
• shadow boost - kinda works like a on the fly HDR mode

-weather seals - proper
-dust shaker - works despite what Oly purists claim

I'm not getting one. If my MK I dies, I'll get another MK I.

Louis_Dobson said:

I know this is OT, apologies, but I really can't face wading into the
shark infested waters that are the Canon forum.

The 5DII looks like a winner to me (I don't want one myself mind, but
I can understand why people would). Apparently it is getting a very
mixed reception. Why? What are they all moaning about?

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam

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I think from the small number of posts I could be arsed to read, they wanted higher frame rates, more AF points etc. It wasn't as big a jump from the old model as was hoped for. Klownshed had it spot on in his assessment.

If I could afford it and the lenses it looks like a great camera, but then they all do really

Nick

How do you know it works, have you tried it ?

Nick

I've owned a 40D and the dust shaker works every bit as well as the Olympus as far as I could see. If the 5Dm2 is the same technology, it will work. The MK I is a dust magnet.

People mistakenly assume that the 40D has the same dust shaker as the 1st iteration Rebel that had it (which didn't work) - it is similar, but slightly different and WORKS.

nick_webster said:

How do you know it works, have you tried it ?

Nick

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Louis_Dobson said:

it is getting a very
mixed reception. Why? What are they all moaning about?

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Who knows! The Canon forum is a bizarro place with a cast of characters that features some with serious issues. The worst thing about getting a Canon would be giving up participating in dpreview forums, because I think that would eventually get sick of it.

As for the camera, I like it. It tops my list of full frame choices. It might be what gets me shooting with Canon again. Maybe. We'll see.

I would go for the Nikon D700 now only for the lenses. I like the selection of affordable Nikkor D primes and you can have either the 14-24mm zoom or the 14mm prime, which is quite a bit cheaper than Canon' s 14mm (I'm sure the "L" secretly stands for something other than Luxury, perhaps Lunacy). I'm keeping an eye on D700 prices to see where they'll go.

As for Sony, the fact that I can't easily purchase a Sony camera with an English menu system in Japan is probably enough reason not to bother with out even going into what the camera lacks compared to the competition. If they do release multilingual units here, then there is also the issue of the zeissony lens pricing. Not much different than Panasonic slapping the Leica name on their products and charging a premium. I don't buy it anymore , so I won't be buying them.

By the way, am I the first person to refer to the Sony lenses as "Zeissony" lenses? Could me my dpreview claim to fame. For the record, it should be pronounced similar to "masonry" rather than "baloney" or "a phony"

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The loudest complaints seem to be coming from those that wanted more AF points and cross type ones at that. Reasonable expectation, as was the expectation of at least 5fps, but they got 3.9 instead and so feel let down. Of course Canon could have done both of those easily, but not for $2.700, so if the 5DII had the desired spec, it would sell for $3.500 and then the complaints would be of another type: "Oh no, Nikon and Sony are thrashing Canon on price, we are doomed!"

IMO, Canon made the right decision. The 5DII has brilliant specs for the price, as was the case of the 5D, and so is the uncontested market leader in terms of IQ for dollars (as far as market perception goes, because in the market, megapixels+FF=IQ).

Of course this brings up question of why Canon does not have a camera in the $3.000 to $4.000 price range - that would take care of all the complainers of the 5DII. I believe the $8.000 DSLR is now a dead end so you can expect whatever replaces the 1D/1Ds line to come in at under $5.000. Yes, this is only a forum junkie prediction

Again IMO, the only real (as opposed to perceived) possible deal breaker of the 5DII is for portrait photographers that need AF points closer to the edge of the frame so they can focus on the eye. From previous posts, I know you know what I am talking about. Other than that, for a 24x36mm sensor with 21mp, I think the 5DII is a screaming deal (ergonomics and lens choice aside).