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Will we see a 24p firmware hack for 5D Mark II?
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crobinso_canada
Senior Member
...be possible to get 24p with a firmware change.
I'm not allowed to link to the website that has 40D video, but it exists and they are working on making a proper hack to download. Google CHDK.
I too vote for Canon to give us 24p.
And before people say "who cares?" and "5D isnt a pro camera", watch this video of Tim Hetherington (World Press Photo Winner 2007):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d00_hlRYuE8
cheers,
Chris
I'm not allowed to link to the website that has 40D video, but it exists and they are working on making a proper hack to download. Google CHDK.
I too vote for Canon to give us 24p.
And before people say "who cares?" and "5D isnt a pro camera", watch this video of Tim Hetherington (World Press Photo Winner 2007):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d00_hlRYuE8
cheers,
Chris
I agree. 24p in addition to 30p would be the icing on the cake. The example 5D videos on this site look great with wonderful depth of field unlike camcorders.
polansky
Leading Member
As said in the title. Manual control over the aperture in video mode with normal EOS lenses is to my believe a much more appreciated item in a firmware upgrade then to have 24P.
Ken Phillips
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Firstly, put on a manual lens, and there ya go ... secondly, where DO ya go? Can you shoot f/1.4 or f/2.0 ... or even f/2.8 or f/4.0 ... at 100 ISO with 1/130th shutter speed IN THE SUN?
Not without serious ND filters.
But you can already do this, if you want. AF is rarely used for video feature production, and never for emulsion shooting.
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Not without serious ND filters.
But you can already do this, if you want. AF is rarely used for video feature production, and never for emulsion shooting.
KP
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Jamie H.
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Amateurs worry about sharpness
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Amateurs worry about sharpness
Professionals worry about sales
Photographers worry about light
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not only that, but with a cheap set of manual lenses you can change them to not click stop at the aperture stops - for a more film like transition something you could never do with regular lenses with electronic aperture control.
Curator
Leading Member
Have you ever seen a 40D, in person, that was using this hack?
bronxbombers
Forum Pro
unless you want to buy a nice new set of fast aperture manual lenses of a wide variety of focal lengths and at least reasonable quality....
Dzung Pham
Well-known member
Another point of view:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/judder_24p.htm
http://www.dv.com/article/15662
http://www.projectorcentral.com/judder_24p.htm
http://www.dv.com/article/15662
Herb32234
Senior Member
can't you just turn the back dial like you were going to adjust the apeture for under or over expposure for a photo? I tried it and I did get a difference in exposure for the video that was recorded.
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osirisioux
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For the number of people I know who accidentally have "MotionFlow" or similar technology enabled on their TVs and say, "this TV makes my movies look terrible! They look like they were shot on a camcorder!" without knowing why, I'd say 24p makes more of a psychological difference to a viewer than this article postulates... And that 24p will be around for a good while.
Although, whether we are merely "programmed" by experience to see 24p as being a richer and more subjective viewing experience, or whether there is inherently something in holding back those 6 frames per second that makes the human mind more apt to suspend its disbelief at the alternate reality it sees played out before it, is a valid question.
I guess it would be interesting to see what someone growing up in the UK, being used to seeing everything in 25fps, thinks of video shot in 30p...
Although, whether we are merely "programmed" by experience to see 24p as being a richer and more subjective viewing experience, or whether there is inherently something in holding back those 6 frames per second that makes the human mind more apt to suspend its disbelief at the alternate reality it sees played out before it, is a valid question.
I guess it would be interesting to see what someone growing up in the UK, being used to seeing everything in 25fps, thinks of video shot in 30p...
gpedder
Well-known member
I agree completely about motion interpolation, for me it completely changes movies into something that looks fake and un-movie-like. Acting looks bad, sets look cheap etc...
I grew up watching tv in PAL - although you're not considering that most stuff is actually interlaced and is effectively 50 fps. From watching NTSC stuff living in canada I can tell you the difference is minimal (that is - 50i and 60i aren't that different) but in terms of progressive content the difference between 24 and 30 isn't too great a leap, but enough to change MY perception. I just wish canon would add 24 or 25p because it's less frames and the file sizes will be smaller - oh and It's just nice to be able to do 24p just because it's the SAME FRAME RATE as every film since like the 1930's has been shot in! it's what people would call a standard.
Thing is.. Canon make nice cameras, but they don't listen to their customers. If they did 24p on the 5d they would have sold twice as many - easily. I'm fed up of hearing people taking a differing opinion on the 24p matter - if they want 30p, they have it already, why not let us have the damn 24p - there should be no reason the 5d can't do it - so Canon - ADD the god damn 24p to the 5d2 you idiots! oh and add 720p at 60p too you dummies.
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Geoff pedder
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24p has less frame per second than 30 = less quality
Why 24 fps? Are you planning to transfer your videos to actual film?
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that completley has NO bearing whatsoever on it.
it entirely depends on whether or not they can slow down the fps from the liveview stream coming off the sensor. if that's fixed at 30 .. then no. it's a fudge.
the 40D is simply just taking the video stream and recording it .. no big magic there.. this is actually changing the underlying framerate .. something the 7D does .. however, there's no guarantee the 5DII was designed in such a fashion.
people are hoping it's a simple change .. however, until the firmware patch is out .. we simply don't know.
Katsoulis
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24p had more applications than direct to film transfer. Whether it is because we are accustomed to it, or because it contains some natural cadence, footage shot at 24p looks more cinematic and is, to many, more pleasing than 30p.
I know this is not a logical response, since it contains six less frames of information each second. In all likelihood it is conditioning.
Nevertheless, people like it, and some prefer.
For me, personally, I have Canon's HV20, which only has a 24p option, not a 30p option and it would be nice if I could match the two when working with two cameras.
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I know this is not a logical response, since it contains six less frames of information each second. In all likelihood it is conditioning.
Nevertheless, people like it, and some prefer.
For me, personally, I have Canon's HV20, which only has a 24p option, not a 30p option and it would be nice if I could match the two when working with two cameras.
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I have lived in the UK most of my life and watch most video on 25fps, whether speeded up 24fps or interlaced 50fields-ps.
For the past 25 years I have regularly travelled to the USA - typical 3 or 4, but often up to 8, times a year usually on business but occasionally on vacation too. For most of that time I thought the picture quality of the US TV 30/60Hz system was a joke and was surprised you people put up with it. It is only in the last couple of years, with the proliferation of HDTV on hotel TVs that I feel you have actually achieved an acceptable level of image quality on your TV. Production and content is another matter, but that is US culture: "it would be a good idea".
I also remember the complaints when, in the late 1980s, the TV series "Dallas" switched from being shot on film to video. It became 30fps 60i video converted to 25fps 50i PAL whilst previous series had been 24fps film speeded up to 25fps 50i PAL. The BBC, who screened the show in the UK, telephone exchange was blocked with viewers complaining about the image quality. Now, you can argue that this was a consequence of the conversion quality, but the simple fact is that this showed the limitations of 30fps video to the masses and it wasn't acceptable to the millions that had experienced better.
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