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tweedle said:
Rriley said:
and yet here, there isnt a single mention of that

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=TYO%3A7741
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=PINK%3AHOCPF
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=PINK%3AHOCPY

how strange
cough....
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You will have to subscribe to the Nikkei to read all their articles.
Googling is not enough, sorry.
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that's a leading finance source, if you look at those links they give you leading information on the markets, in real time

more importantly, too the right, you can see all the news on that resource catalogued from relevant vendors. Reuters, Bloomberg and Nikkie feature among them

there is no mention of the article you present

i submit that its BS, .........prove me wrong

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Riley

in my home, the smoke alarm is the dinner bell (only if you cook RAW food)
 
...that alone...i'll take G1 over e420 any day...G1 has a large tilting/flip LCD....and how can the e420 do more than the G1? with that tilting/flip LCD at the back of G1...i'm pretty sure it can do more than the e420.
whatever8 said:
fastglass said:
I was hoping for a DX (or so) G10 - the 15mp 1/1.7 is a NON-STARTER.

On the other hand - the G1 looks like a serious contender & a GREAT
USE of 4/3.

Viva Micro 4/3.

Nice job Panasonic.
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Why would you buy the G1 when the e420 is exactly the same size and
does so much more for cheaper? And can use more than 5 lenses to AF
too!

http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=559311

Look at the size comparison. Panasonic absolutely has produced a dog
for its first m4/3 outing.

I was really looking forward to the "rangefinder" like m4/3 cameras,
and then I realize they don't even have a wide fixed lens. 40mm is
not nearly wide enough. Now I am a little regrad I should have
brought the DP-1 sooner.
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http://www.exp1orer.com
 
whatever8 said:
fastglass said:
I was hoping for a DX (or so) G10 - the 15mp 1/1.7 is a NON-STARTER.

On the other hand - the G1 looks like a serious contender & a GREAT
USE of 4/3.

Viva Micro 4/3.

Nice job Panasonic.
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Why would you buy the G1 when the e420 is exactly the same size and
does so much more for cheaper? And can use more than 5 lenses to AF
too!

http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=559311

Look at the size comparison. Panasonic absolutely has produced a dog
for its first m4/3 outing.

I was really looking forward to the "rangefinder" like m4/3 cameras,
and then I realize they don't even have a wide fixed lens. 40mm is
not nearly wide enough. Now I am a little regrad I should have
brought the DP-1 sooner.
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That does make sense. If the full sized one is at least as small, go for that instead.

I have a feeling that Samsung will be going for as small as they can with the first hybrid. I wonder what lenses will be available? If they make a PK adapter, then there will be a number of PK pancakes and small primes to go with it in addition to hybrid specific glass.

Then again, I bet Samsung could produce an ME sized PK mount camera without resorting to a changed mount. That would really give some value to the PK coalition. (if they ever decide to really make a go at it) Then, everything from the pocket EVIL through FF would be compatible. :-)

Another thing to really think about. There is so much clamoring here for a FF that would most likely be $2.5K - $3K. Wouldn't an APS ME Digital be more of a groundbreaking and popular product? It would make a great first system or a terrific, smaller, no holds barred, second system. If they get LBA and start buying FA limited lenses, they may feel the urge to use these lenses on a PK FF body. :-)
 
philbarton said:
I think the new camera appears for the March 2009 show, when someone
might even notice it. Releasing a model now is like competing with
three "Batman" opening weekends.
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True, but if Pentax has the newer models ready or nearly ready, it would make absolutely no sense to wait till March and waste six months of sales, even if it meant cannibalizing sales of its own K20D. There should better ways of making an impact announcement, don't you agree?
 
philbarton said:
Yutaka Nakagawa, president of Sony's digital imaging business group,
told reporters that the company "will target for at least 20-25
percent of the world digicam market, and even a higher share as far
as DSLRs are concerned, by making the most of its advantage," ie.,
its capability to make key devices such as CCDs, lenses and LCDs.
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I see no specific goal at all in terms of a specific time frame here. No mention of Nikon either. Wasn't that what you initially claimed?

The official target is 10 per cent DSLR market share this year. It will be interesting if Sony gets there, my guess is that they will get pretty close.
philbarton said:
He continued: "Because there are only a few players in the DSLR market,
we would like to grab an even bigger market share. We wish to nurture
our DSLR segment to a business that accounts for more than 20 percent
of our total revenue from digicam sales in the near future."
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Every company needs to fuel their sales force and to convince dealers etc., so targets tend to get a little over the top. Canon also said they intended to maintain their DSLR market share, but still they slided some 10 per cent over a few years (to Nikon), now probably fighting some of it back.

Canon, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic and Samsung all have or have had long term goals of becoming the leader of the imaging industry, they are fighting it out between them.

Sony is not much different from the others in this respect, but of course any newcomer tend to brag a little bit more than well established brands. This is a common psychological and somewhat compensatory reaction, while being under such immense dominance from the ruling powers...
 
philbarton said:
tweedle said:
What else is there for Pentax to do in the very short term?

Apparently they have not yet defined/identified what niches they
could possibly carve out for themselves to protect their earnings.

Or at least such new truly Pentax models are not ready for release
untill sometime next year. I, for one, am quite curious to see what
Hoya has in mind.

In the meantime, well, another bang-for-the-buck low-end entry level
model will have to do it for Pentax out there.
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My feeling is that Samsung announced the FF sensor because they
already had a prototype body, and the means to produce it. Back then
it was not so risky as it is now, with Nikon and Canon looking to
have major sales to their legacy bases who already have FF lenses.

There's more competition on the low end than anywhere else; and
Panasonic G1 put more pressure on it. Can you spell "pincer
movement"?
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Basically agree.

Apparently Pentax have somthing cooking that is yet not quite ready for release. We don't now excactly what it is or whether it may work for Pentax in the end.

In the meantime, a low-low entry level DSLR is rumored, and I guess Pentax would be able to turn out a simple, cheap DSLR with some feature or the other that Canon 1000D, Niko D40 or Sony A200 might miss.

If there is nothing more from Pentax at this point, they will have to try to sell a load of them to keep the wheels rolling.
 
Rriley said:
tweedle said:
Rriley said:
and yet here, there isnt a single mention of that

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=TYO%3A7741
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=PINK%3AHOCPF
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=PINK%3AHOCPY

how strange
cough....
Click to expand...
You will have to subscribe to the Nikkei to read all their articles.
Googling is not enough, sorry.
Click to expand...
that's a leading finance source, if you look at those links they give
you leading information on the markets, in real time

more importantly, too the right, you can see all the news on that
resource catalogued from relevant vendors. Reuters, Bloomberg and
Nikkie feature among them

there is no mention of the article you present

i submit that its BS, .........prove me wrong
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First of all, you are being rude, and I will report you to the administrators. Your posts have been removed before for the same reason. FYI, btw:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=29365755

Secondly, I think everybody else here understand the simple concept of subscription. To get The Nikkei's or other paid-for media's content, you will have to subscribe. Googling won't get you there. so much information is not conveyed to the free domain - these media businesses live from selling their intelligence, and at the end of the day you get what you pay for.

Thirdly, any 'prove me wrong' is on you. You have been given information here that would otherwise be unavailable to you, since you don't seem to be able or willing to pay for it. Now you oppose it with no documentation whatsoever to back up your rude choice of words.

I will hold back my words to describe your behavior.
 
tweedle said:
Apparently Pentax have somthing cooking that is yet not quite ready
for release. We don't now excactly what it is or whether it may work
for Pentax in the end.

In the meantime, a low-low entry level DSLR is rumored, and I guess
Pentax would be able to turn out a simple, cheap DSLR with some
feature or the other that Canon 1000D, Niko D40 or Sony A200 might
miss.

If there is nothing more from Pentax at this point, they will have to
try to sell a load of them to keep the wheels rolling.
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The Pentaxians are rumbling that it better be small. They want a small camera to go with the pancakes.

That could be the right answer to the G1.
 
K1000Photographer said:
tweedle said:
Apparently Pentax have somthing cooking that is yet not quite ready
for release. We don't now excactly what it is or whether it may work
for Pentax in the end.

In the meantime, a low-low entry level DSLR is rumored, and I guess
Pentax would be able to turn out a simple, cheap DSLR with some
feature or the other that Canon 1000D, Niko D40 or Sony A200 might
miss.

If there is nothing more from Pentax at this point, they will have to
try to sell a load of them to keep the wheels rolling.
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The Pentaxians are rumbling that it better be small. They want a
small camera to go with the pancakes.

That could be the right answer to the G1.
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A model of E-420 size would suit the pancakes just excellently.
 
tweedle said:
K1000Photographer said:
tweedle said:
Apparently Pentax have somthing cooking that is yet not quite ready
for release. We don't now excactly what it is or whether it may work
for Pentax in the end.

In the meantime, a low-low entry level DSLR is rumored, and I guess
Pentax would be able to turn out a simple, cheap DSLR with some
feature or the other that Canon 1000D, Niko D40 or Sony A200 might
miss.

If there is nothing more from Pentax at this point, they will have to
try to sell a load of them to keep the wheels rolling.
Click to expand...
The Pentaxians are rumbling that it better be small. They want a
small camera to go with the pancakes.

That could be the right answer to the G1.
Click to expand...
A model of E-420 size would suit the pancakes just excellently.
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If it were good enough and cheap enough, it could be a draw as second system travel cam.
 
K1000Photographer said:
tweedle said:
K1000Photographer said:
tweedle said:
Apparently Pentax have somthing cooking that is yet not quite ready
for release. We don't now excactly what it is or whether it may work
for Pentax in the end.

In the meantime, a low-low entry level DSLR is rumored, and I guess
Pentax would be able to turn out a simple, cheap DSLR with some
feature or the other that Canon 1000D, Niko D40 or Sony A200 might
miss.

If there is nothing more from Pentax at this point, they will have to
try to sell a load of them to keep the wheels rolling.
Click to expand...
The Pentaxians are rumbling that it better be small. They want a
small camera to go with the pancakes.

That could be the right answer to the G1.
Click to expand...
A model of E-420 size would suit the pancakes just excellently.
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If it were good enough and cheap enough, it could be a draw as second
system travel cam.
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It may need to be smaller. My DS is similar to the E 420 in size and it is still large in comparison to my mini ME. Maybe they need to produce a low cost, E420 size / weight K1000D and then make a smaller, ME30D that is similar to the K30D in spec.
 
K1000Photographer said:
K1000Photographer said:
tweedle said:
K1000Photographer said:
tweedle said:
Apparently Pentax have somthing cooking that is yet not quite ready
for release. We don't now excactly what it is or whether it may work
for Pentax in the end.

In the meantime, a low-low entry level DSLR is rumored, and I guess
Pentax would be able to turn out a simple, cheap DSLR with some
feature or the other that Canon 1000D, Niko D40 or Sony A200 might
miss.

If there is nothing more from Pentax at this point, they will have to
try to sell a load of them to keep the wheels rolling.
Click to expand...
The Pentaxians are rumbling that it better be small. They want a
small camera to go with the pancakes.

That could be the right answer to the G1.
Click to expand...
A model of E-420 size would suit the pancakes just excellently.
Click to expand...
If it were good enough and cheap enough, it could be a draw as second
system travel cam.
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It may need to be smaller. My DS is similar to the E 420 in size and
it is still large in comparison to my mini ME. Maybe they need to
produce a low cost, E420 size / weight K1000D and then make a
smaller, ME30D that is similar to the K30D in spec.
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An 'as-small-as-possible' model would make sense, also because the K200 is actually somewhat beefy/chunky compared to the competition.

Would Pentax be able to surpass the Olympus E400-series in terms of being the smallest ... we will see. In the old days, the Pentax MX/ME SLRs just managed to reach about the same dimensions as their role model, the Olympus OM-1.
 
exp1orer said:
...that alone...i'll take G1 over e420 any day...G1 has a large
tilting/flip LCD....and how can the e420 do more than the G1? with
that tilting/flip LCD at the back of G1...i'm pretty sure it can do
more than the e420.
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I hope it has a good EVF for your benefit. Since you have to manual focus with majority of the 4/3 lenses.
 
K1000Photographer said:
Samsung will be going for as small as they can with the first
hybrid.
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I have a feeling that Panasonic is going small too with an already planned follow-up on the G1.

Pictures of a very sleek G-model (only a tiny, rounded grip), very much Leica style with certain Leicaish design features and a very simple user interface, has bleen floating around these forums for some time. My guess is, that there will be a Pana and a Leica version of this model, and that we will see Leica lenses for it.

Be aware that Panasonic has already announced that there will also be a m4/3 videocam for release next year.

Panasonic stands out as being very committed to m4/3.
 
questioning the legitimacy of the evidence stream is a worthy concern
i dont care for so called evidence that i cant see, it is quite simply here-say

it is quite usual for analysis of this type to be reported elsewhere as

it has implications for the share market, the concerns of financial institutions, the concerns of shareholders, the reputations of the officers of the corporations concerned. There are also legal concerns and obligations connected with the geographic location of the servers communicating said information.

I spent some time looking for further evidence of your claims were one would rightly expect such an instance to be reported elsewhere, not least of which from the Corporations concerned, as they have an obligation to report such matters.

Yet it appears once again that this report, among the many others you claim to see, cannot be verified. There is not a trace of these circumstances reported anywhere in the financial world. Hence the interpretations you make on this 'hypothetical' report cannot be duly assessed for correctness.

In the vast environment of the internet normally opinion is respected, but when opinion is grafted into response, it is opinion no more, ipso facto it then becomes controversy and argument. The reader is reminded that misconduct in this arena is a very serious business.
--
Riley

in my home, the smoke alarm is the dinner bell (only if you cook RAW food)
 
Rriley said:
questioning the legitimacy of the evidence stream is a worthy concern
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Questioning is one thing, using abusive and offensive language is another.

This is why some of your posts have been removed by the administrators in the past.

Being unable to understand the difference between paid-for information and freely floating news is a condition of yours that may be excused.
 
sony has at least 6 or 7% of dsr market, pentax the 5,4% if i remember well. sony has made most of its selling with the cheaper camera like a200. the a700 has no been a success, to say the least, and looking at the sony forum it seems to me tha there are no so many carl zeiss premium lenses around.

They are clearly selling the a900 at a low price, i doub great margin, hoping to sell more zeiss lenses i think.

Pentax has a good position considering it has only two model. the k10d and k20d has sold very well, certainly more than apha 700. I clearly miss a low end, alpha 200 competitor, and a k1d to compete with d300 in speed.

Anyway sony has a qute of market no so big considering the 5 model and the advertisemnt resource poured in these year.

Pentax has a roadmap, the DA* has sold very well, ad the new model will sell well too.

And consider that i practice samsung ad entax sell the same camera with different name. so if sum up their quote in dslr marke they are near, if not over, sony.
tweedle said:
Two Truths said:
tweedle said:
Two Truths said:
It sounds very similar to Konica Minolta's position in 2004-2005,
before they decided to quit the digital photography market.
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What kind of similarity is that, Stu?

Having the skills to develop and manufacture neat new models but
finding themselves in a situation where 1) every model is somehow
appearing too late in the competition and 2) the sales & marketing
organisation is somehow lacking the muscles needed to push the
products?

That kind of dilemma?
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Over the last couple of years I have watched a brand grow virtually
from scratch.
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We are talking Sony here, of course.
tweedle said:
Strangely it only near the end of that time that I learnt the most
about what that involved.
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The appearance of A700, A200, A300, A350 and A900 within only one
year served as a cue, I reckon :)
tweedle said:
A lot of the problems faced; patent issues, lens availability,
production problems etc basically boil down to a lump sum cost.
Somebody, somewhere has to look at that cost and wonder if it is
worth it or not; if the potential benefit outweighs the risk.
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In the case of Pentax, either Hoya or Samsung will have to carry that
risk, I suppose.
tweedle said:
For an electronics giant to make such gambles is one thing.
It must be much scarier to be a dwarf in this industry.
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A matter of life and death is always scary.
tweedle said:
Innovation is a wonderful thing but at the end of the day everyone
wants what everyone else has & a smaller manufacturer is never going
to be able to keep providing that.
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This is why Sony, Panasonic and Samsung will eventually become the
leaders of the imaging industry (in digicams, videocams,
cellphonecams etc.).
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tweedle said:
Rriley said:
questioning the legitimacy of the evidence stream is a worthy concern
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Questioning is one thing, using abusive and offensive language is
another.
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there is nothing abusive happening here
tweedle said:
This is why some of your posts have been removed by the
administrators in the past.
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i dont see a single post removed here
tweedle said:
Being unable to understand the difference between paid-for
information and freely floating news is a condition of yours that may
be excused.
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like it or not, you have a duty to prove the efficacy of you claims
otherwise they are a skylark or a nonsense

you have been asked to prove these functions before today when you acclaimed Olympus was losing $50 per dSLR, as the months have past it is clear nothing remotely like that is happening. You said then you would email me the report, it never happened. I commissioned my brokers to find it, who in turn contacted Goldman Sachs and Credit Suisse, the thing didnt exist

i think this is as usual, more unprovable speculation based on air
you can get as angry as you like, just prove me wrong,

i challenge you to provide even a shred of evidence
i do not think that is an unfair call

moreover, if this fantastic solution for Hoya is true it would be widely reported
where is it reported, where?

--
Riley

in my home, the smoke alarm is the dinner bell (only if you cook RAW food)
 
market shre at the moment.

canon 41
nikon 41
oly 5
sony 7
pentax + samsung 6

reading this and sony forum it seem sony is gaining the market. sony with all the models and ads put in the market has gained 6-7% in 3 years and a half.

the alpha700 has been a success. the zeiss lenses are sold a limited amount. the bulk is low entry model, and low quality glass.

people think the alpha900 will selle tons and now zeiss will pour everywhere. they ar simply dreaming. the nikon canon are too strong to compete as a system. they offer far more than sony. a900 is a strong offer, but at this time a pro will difficuly switch from canon nikon to sony.

sony will stay forever the 3 or 4, a least for the nex 10 years, selling its camera at a discount and doing profits??

i think they are doing as they did in other markets, selling at low cost to enter the market.
the a900 will be the key of everything. low volume could change things for sony.
 
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