not buying the G2 , here's why

Mauro.B said:

ZéDasCouves,

I just hope that, in the future, posts like yours will only come
from people who actually owned, or tried at least for a week, any
camera. Otherwise - believe me, my friend - it is an absolute WASTE
OF TIME. And all of us have better uses for our time, even within
this forum.

You do not own a camera (do you still have the Nikon 990 you
claimed to in the Nikon forum ?), and only seem to look for a
justification for not buying the G2. It's your money, your hobby
and your - somewhat empty - opinion. My G2 is crack free, I paid
full retail price so it was brand new and not recycled, perfectly
focuses 95 shots out of 100 (the 5 mostly being my fault). So what
? Am I entitled to shout in every forum how happy I am with my
camera and bash everything else ? Even if in the last 18 months I
bought / exchanged five or six digital cameras, and only G2
survived. And I do not have any "integralist" approach: I will buy
a clearly better camera as soon as it will show in the radar screen.

Nothing in consumer electronics lasts for more that 12 months,
therefore inspect your wallet, look at your face in the mirror and

• if you smile - be quick .

Remember also that nothing is without defects: you have to be wise
enough to focus on the positives. Other wise you will not: buy any
car, marry any girl, take any job, and so on and so forth.

A final word: next time try to use this forum to share your
experiences, not to spread negatives - all of us will feel
immensely better and possibly learn a new bit.

And - PLEASE - buy any f@#ing camera you like and go shooting.

Ciao

--
Greets from Rome

Mauro

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Pete Perry said:

There are now recalls that include the G2 Black as well...

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Yang said:

Mauro.B said:

ZéDasCouves,

I just hope that, in the future, posts like yours will only come
from people who actually owned, or tried at least for a week, any
camera. Otherwise - believe me, my friend - it is an absolute WASTE
OF TIME. And all of us have better uses for our time, even within
this forum.

You do not own a camera (do you still have the Nikon 990 you
claimed to in the Nikon forum ?), and only seem to look for a
justification for not buying the G2. It's your money, your hobby
and your - somewhat empty - opinion. My G2 is crack free, I paid
full retail price so it was brand new and not recycled, perfectly
focuses 95 shots out of 100 (the 5 mostly being my fault). So what
? Am I entitled to shout in every forum how happy I am with my
camera and bash everything else ? Even if in the last 18 months I
bought / exchanged five or six digital cameras, and only G2
survived. And I do not have any "integralist" approach: I will buy
a clearly better camera as soon as it will show in the radar screen.

Nothing in consumer electronics lasts for more that 12 months,
therefore inspect your wallet, look at your face in the mirror and

• if you smile - be quick .

Remember also that nothing is without defects: you have to be wise
enough to focus on the positives. Other wise you will not: buy any
car, marry any girl, take any job, and so on and so forth.

A final word: next time try to use this forum to share your
experiences, not to spread negatives - all of us will feel
immensely better and possibly learn a new bit.

And - PLEASE - buy any f@#ing camera you like and go shooting.

Ciao

--
Greets from Rome

Mauro

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Ferdy S. R. said:

Check who is erwin widjaya and Rizki Zewaka posters both in nikon
and canon forum. You will know who is this guy.

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ZéDasCouves said:

I was thinking of buying the G2 because as you all know it's got
great lenses and overall very good image quality. but for the price
I would expect a camera without any defects as those cracks and
those problems with focusing.
I knew all these problems and I was still thinking of buying till
today. I thought that the cracks problem was something that
affected... let's say... 10-15% of all cameras sold and never
evolved to a complete hole.
today I encontered a very nice forum dedicated to canon

you can see one of the posts about cracks on the G2 here (there are
lots of them if you look at the forum index.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/viewtopic.php?TopicID=2566

now... I've also found something that made my decision clear... a
poll with questions that I really wanted answered :

"Do you have a crack or hole in your G2?" so we can have a
statistic about how many cracks there are among ALL G2 cameras, so
even those guys that whose cameras didn't had any cracks have
answered do this question. THE RESULTS ARE REALLY BAD !

the poll is here :
http://pub39.bravenet.com/vote/vote.php?usernum=3327235335&cpv=1

the results from the poll is here :
http://pub39.bravenet.com/vote/stats.php?usernum=3327235335

I mean... cmon... if 54% of all G2's have cracks, my chances of
having one are really huge, and canon here in portugal doesn't have
such a good costumer service, and I refuse to buy a camera that I
already know I'm gonna send for repair.

canon should stop all G2 selling until they solve all their
problems with the camera, I suspect that the fact they know the
problem and still sell it as a perfect good camera without any
defects is can be even considered illegal.

and think about it, It's almost for sure a problem among all
cameras, sooner or later all cameras will get cracks, maybe some
are holding a little longer, but let's say, in at least 2 years all
of them if they are being used WILL HAVE the crack.

this is the reputation that the camera has now, have you ever
thought if you want to sell the camera one of these days? who's
gonna buy a camera that's not new and has cracks or holes?? no one
buys anything with defects, only if the price is really small.

so... until further notice from canon I refuse and I would tell
everyone not to buy any G2, they have the legal responsability to
sell a camera in good conditions, especially if they already know
about this problem...
I wonder if canon has any quality control over their production
labs...

by the way I'm considering the fuji 602, oly 4040 and the new nikon...
I also wonder why phil doesn't have any full review of the olympus
4040z... I mean he has lot's of pictures, so he probably had the
chance to review it. maybe the oly review would make many of us
change our minds about buying the olypus 4040 instead of the canon
G2... does canon sponsor this site?
I can't image the G2 having all those problems and the review
almost makes it look like the best camera in the world, I red other
reviews and they are not so fancy... at
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/G2/G2A.HTM
in their sample pictures they have the resolution of the G2
inferior to that of the Fuji 602 !!! and that's a 3Mp camera! (with
interpolation to 6mp)

well, you've got a whole lot of pacience... thanks for readng the
whole post, it certainly gave me more work writing than you
reading.

do not flame me because I like the G2 features but am not buying it
because it has defects.

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ZéDasCouves said:

if you red everything I wrote you'd also notice that I really like
the G2 image quality, and that's why I was about to buy it... but
then I noticed that poll and all these problems that hit a very
large number of cameras....

it's not a simple problem, or maybe it is simple but it's something
that can and will be solved if you buy and send the camera for
repair like many guys that posted on the forum that I told you
about...
I just say that I'm not going to buy something that's very likely
to be sent for repair a couple of weeks after the purchase.

it's just that, if I didn't like the camera I wouldn't be posting
this... and if this was something really stupid it wouldn't have so
many posts from all you guys... this happens because you know that
I have some reason...

but as I said in previous posts, this was just a post for people
that was considering buying it, or would like to say something to
help with that decision, of buying or not the G2.... most of you
just flame... but I was expecting that, after all lots of you are
frustrated G2 owners, if you weren't, you wouldn't be posting all
these flames against me, a person that was really liking the camera
but thinks it just has to many physical problems for the price...

I don't post anything at other forums telling them that certain
cameras are just plain bad and I won't buy them. I just did this
here, because I was really going to buy it before I noticed all
these serious problems.
and I posted to see also what you have to say, if it is so serious
or not... I'm still not sure if i'm going to buy it, maybe what I
want is all of you experienced G2 owners to make me change my
thoughts, but not just by telling that the camera is very good and
you're happy with it...
I was hoping someone knew more about how many cameras have cracks
and all those things, because... I know that cracks don't affect
images, but as I said I'm not buying to buy something new to send
it immediately to repair, nor I'm going to buy something for that
price that one day when I want to sell it no one will buy it from
me because it just lost it's value because of the crack.

cheers

oh! and I really would like to buy a camera and start shooting, not
buy a camera and send it in for repair...

Rui

Yang said:

Mauro.B said:

ZéDasCouves,

I just hope that, in the future, posts like yours will only come
from people who actually owned, or tried at least for a week, any
camera. Otherwise - believe me, my friend - it is an absolute WASTE
OF TIME. And all of us have better uses for our time, even within
this forum.

You do not own a camera (do you still have the Nikon 990 you
claimed to in the Nikon forum ?), and only seem to look for a
justification for not buying the G2. It's your money, your hobby
and your - somewhat empty - opinion. My G2 is crack free, I paid
full retail price so it was brand new and not recycled, perfectly
focuses 95 shots out of 100 (the 5 mostly being my fault). So what
? Am I entitled to shout in every forum how happy I am with my
camera and bash everything else ? Even if in the last 18 months I
bought / exchanged five or six digital cameras, and only G2
survived. And I do not have any "integralist" approach: I will buy
a clearly better camera as soon as it will show in the radar screen.

Nothing in consumer electronics lasts for more that 12 months,
therefore inspect your wallet, look at your face in the mirror and

• if you smile - be quick .

Remember also that nothing is without defects: you have to be wise
enough to focus on the positives. Other wise you will not: buy any
car, marry any girl, take any job, and so on and so forth.

A final word: next time try to use this forum to share your
experiences, not to spread negatives - all of us will feel
immensely better and possibly learn a new bit.

And - PLEASE - buy any f@#ing camera you like and go shooting.

Ciao

--
Greets from Rome

Mauro

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ZéDasCouves said:

so... until further notice from canon I refuse and I would tell
everyone not to buy any G2, they have the legal responsability to
sell a camera in good conditions, especially if they already know
about this problem...

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Paulo Abreu said:

I haven´t yet read the answers to this post, but i can tell you
something at first hand, if your problem is mainly the crack (it
appears to be):

1. I am also from Portugal. The representative of Canon in Portugal
answered the same day my mail asking for their position about G2
crack. They already knew about the problem and they told me i could
return G2 whenever i want for free of charge replacement of cracked
cover.

2.I have G2 for 8 months and the crack is there as it was from the
day i noticed it (because someone made the discover). Crack is "so
important" to me, that i even didn´t bother of packing G2 and send
back for repair...

3.IMHO, G2 image quality is by far superior to Fuji. Olympus 4040z
is a fine camera, IMO comparable to G2 but with not so much
flexibility and control over images.

--
Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio

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ZéDasCouves said:

thanks for that answer, that really makes me a lot happier, I
usually am pessimist when it comes to costumer support here in
portugal, I have experience with nikon's representative and it's
really bad. it's a company called Atlant.
but if you say canon's representative (seque right?) is good, and
especially that they know about the crack, I feel a little more
inclined towards buying the camera.

thanks for the post, that was what I was hoping to hear ! so I
guess this post was not so bad after all, thanks a lot !

by the way... since you are from portugal... do you know about a
site called fotopt?

cheers

Rui

Paulo Abreu said:

I haven´t yet read the answers to this post, but i can tell you
something at first hand, if your problem is mainly the crack (it
appears to be):

1. I am also from Portugal. The representative of Canon in Portugal
answered the same day my mail asking for their position about G2
crack. They already knew about the problem and they told me i could
return G2 whenever i want for free of charge replacement of cracked
cover.

2.I have G2 for 8 months and the crack is there as it was from the
day i noticed it (because someone made the discover). Crack is "so
important" to me, that i even didn´t bother of packing G2 and send
back for repair...

3.IMHO, G2 image quality is by far superior to Fuji. Olympus 4040z
is a fine camera, IMO comparable to G2 but with not so much
flexibility and control over images.

--
Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio

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Paulo Abreu said:

ZéDasCouves said:

thanks for that answer, that really makes me a lot happier, I
usually am pessimist when it comes to costumer support here in
portugal, I have experience with nikon's representative and it's
really bad. it's a company called Atlant.
but if you say canon's representative (seque right?) is good, and
especially that they know about the crack, I feel a little more
inclined towards buying the camera.

thanks for the post, that was what I was hoping to hear ! so I
guess this post was not so bad after all, thanks a lot !

by the way... since you are from portugal... do you know about a
site called fotopt?

cheers

Rui

Paulo Abreu said:

I haven´t yet read the answers to this post, but i can tell you
something at first hand, if your problem is mainly the crack (it
appears to be):

1. I am also from Portugal. The representative of Canon in Portugal
answered the same day my mail asking for their position about G2
crack. They already knew about the problem and they told me i could
return G2 whenever i want for free of charge replacement of cracked
cover.

2.I have G2 for 8 months and the crack is there as it was from the
day i noticed it (because someone made the discover). Crack is "so
important" to me, that i even didn´t bother of packing G2 and send
back for repair...

3.IMHO, G2 image quality is by far superior to Fuji. Olympus 4040z
is a fine camera, IMO comparable to G2 but with not so much
flexibility and control over images.

--
Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio

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--
Paulo Abreu
http://www.pbase.com/psergio

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Eric Haglund said:

Is the G2 perfect? Not a chance. It has definite warts but even
with the warts, I still think it's the best camera for the money.
As far as the crack thing goes, I think it's overblown. It doesn't
affect your picture quality and Canon IS replacing them so to me
it's an annoyance not a deal breaker. In anycase, if you find a
digi cam that is perfect, by all means let us know.

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ZéDasCouves said:

I was thinking of buying the G2 ... but for the price
I would expect a camera without any defects as those cracks and
those problems with focusing.
[boring talk -- snipped]
do not flame me because I like the G2 features but am not buying it
because it has defects.

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Frank C. said:

Eric Haglund said:

Is the G2 perfect? Not a chance. It has definite warts but even
with the warts, I still think it's the best camera for the money.
As far as the crack thing goes, I think it's overblown. It doesn't
affect your picture quality and Canon IS replacing them so to me
it's an annoyance not a deal breaker. In anycase, if you find a
digi cam that is perfect, by all means let us know.

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...maybe we give Canon "not-so-perfect" money, huh?

"not so perfect camera"

"not so perfect money"

....makes good sense to me....

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Wolfgang said:

Pete Perry said:

There are now recalls that include the G2 Black as well...

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Huh?

Canon made one announcement only, at which time it included the
black G2. There was/is no second announcement that "now recalls the
black G2." Some of the initail batch of black G2s may have been
made with the vulnerable plastic as the champagne colored model.

Obviously it's in Canons best interest to deliver a camera which
they will not incur a cost to repair shortly thereafter. As Canon
has clearly identified this issue, do you not think they have taken
appropriate steps to rectify this dilemma?

Furthermore, Canon at no time announced any "recall." It was a
sevice notification - essentially a notice to owners of Canon's
PowerShot G2/G2 Black digi cams.

You should get your facts straight before posting erroneous
information which may only serve to confuse others.

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Pete Perry said:

I don't know what the deal is but it is still on the Canon website
listing both models.

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