Panasonic G1 m43

With their listed 14-45mm lens, that's before the 2.0 crop factor,
right? (making it a 28-90 in 35mm equivalent). I noticed in the
DPreview preview, a 20mm f/1.7 lens is slated for next year. With
that lens AND a body with movie mode, this could be interesting.
But will the lens & body colors match?! Let's get to the important issues.
 
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Hi Joan. I'm also a fan of the rangefinder aesthetic. I see the
potential of a G1 successor being still smaller. As it is, the G1 +
14-45 is only marginally smaller than an E-420 with its kit lens. But
unlike the E-420, you get a supposedly much larger viewfinder, image
stabilisation, 23 focus points, an articulated LCD, etc.
It's very exciting to think about the potential for this format, I agree that bodies will get smaller and maybe my dream "M8 with a grip" style will come about at some point. I am REALLY looking forward to the EVF, unlike most folks I believe it will improve the E410/E420. I sold off my E410 body and was about to get the E420 or E520 but then the Micro Four Thirds announcement came along and I've been holding off. I will love the articulated LCD, too.
The grip makes the G1 body look larger, but even leaving it off to
emulate the L1 design wouldn't reduce the overall system size since
even a pancake lens will likely protrude at least as far as the grip.
Now, we need to find out what the price of this little guy will be.
That is really the only thing that stopped me from getting the L10;
perhaps without the Leica branded lenses this will be more affordable.
According to digitalkamera.de, the G1 14-45 kit will sell for 750 Euros.
That's about 850 USD when you subtract VAT; but the US price is
usually less than what we pay around here anyway.
Hmmm, that sounds like a US price of $699 might even be possible. If so, and assuming the IQ is respectable, I am IN! Can't wait to see the full review here and samples from the kit lens. The one I'm really happy about is the 20mm f1.7, won't that be a treat?
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Joan
http://www.pbase.com/joan55
 
Panasonic comes out with the first EVIL, and half the people posting
here are whining that it doesn't look like a rangefinder?
Yup . . . I don't get this Leica rangefinder thang.
When they were news, how many people could afford them?
Now they are long gone, who wants a flat box with no secure right hand grip?
I'm glad that Panasonic have stayed modern with this one.

Mike

FZ8, F20
 
I'm amazed at some of the negative reactions to the G1 in this
thread. This is the start of the biggest design shake-up since
digital cameras came on the scene. It promises much better image
quality than we've seen before from Panasonic's small sensor cameras
and a much improved electronic viewfinder.

My one regret is that they've been so conservative in the external
design but I'm sure that future designs will look less like a
miniature dSLR than the G1 does. We mustn't forget how conservative
the camera-buying public can be.
I completly agree! I'm suprised on one wants it to slice, dice and shred along with make phone calls!

Dj
 
It's very exciting to think about the potential for this format, I
agree that bodies will get smaller and maybe my dream "M8 with a
grip" style will come about at some point.
I think, given the new format is a success, that inevitably new models will be placed both above and below the G1. Even rangefinder styled cameras are a distinct possibility given Panasonic's history of producing cameras with that aesthetic.
I am REALLY looking
forward to the EVF, unlike most folks I believe it will improve the
E410/E420.
I'm looking forward to it as well. Although an improvement over the rather small viewfinder in the E-420, I don't see it as an improvement over the viewfinder in my D300.

Rather, I consider it an alternative; not necessarily better or worse, but providing a different kind of feedback. These kinds of differences can be good as they can lead you to look at photography in a new way. There'll be a much more direct response to changing settings, helping you to visualize the results. I can imagine shooting B&W in the EVF when I'm more concerned with light and structure and don't want the distraction of colour.
I sold off my E410 body and was about to get the E420 or
E520 but then the Micro Four Thirds announcement came along and I've
been holding off. I will love the articulated LCD, too.
I've never owned a camera with an articulated LCD and am looking forward to it. When I frame shots with my D300 from close to the ground, I have to lie on the ground. While in Vietnam last January, alarmed staff of a hotel we were staying at asked me if I was OK or needed help while busy taking photos along the ground.

The G1 looks good. I wonder though how soon Olympus will have a µ4/3 body ready.
Hmmm, that sounds like a US price of $699 might even be possible. If
so, and assuming the IQ is respectable, I am IN! Can't wait to see
the full review here and samples from the kit lens. The one I'm
really happy about is the 20mm f1.7, won't that be a treat?
Yes, that will be a treat; just the perfect "normal" lens. I'm not overly concerned about IQ either; that should be at least as good as on current 4/3 models. Well see how good the new kit lens is, then I'm IN as well.

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Björn

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command dial is "clickable", and can toggle between the A/S settings,
and exposure compensation.
Hmmm, better than nothing but still, after the FZ50 doing it properly
and having two dials, it's a bit lame.
I guess because they wanted to target the low-end market, they left out things like this. The price is going to be around 80,000 ¥ =~ 750 US$ = ~ 530 € body only or 90,000 ¥ = 840 US$ = 590 € 1-lens kit.
 
Wow, that's spectacularly tiny !

Where's my credit card ?

Seriously, though. I'm very impressed by this prototype. If the actual lens is that size, this finally becomes the first serious system that fits in a pocket since Leica switched to the M bayonet (Leica thread mount cameras did comfortably fit in a pocket). I'm still holding my breath for Olympus announcements and a possible second Panasonic body, though. While I understand while the G1's huge grip can be useful, it makes it harder to pocket the camera.

Peter.

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gallery at http://picasaweb.google.com/peterleyssens
 
I'm curious if the current 4/3 pancake will work with the adapter. Shouldn't be terribly big.

Dj
 
I think, given the new format is a success, that inevitably new
models will be placed both above and below the G1. Even rangefinder
styled cameras are a distinct possibility given Panasonic's history
of producing cameras with that aesthetic.
Yep, the pretend mock-ups that were flying around here a couple of weeks ago were pretty sexy looking. :-) I could go for something like that.
I'm looking forward to it as well. Although an improvement over the
rather small viewfinder in the E-420, I don't see it as an
improvement over the viewfinder in my D300.

Rather, I consider it an alternative; not necessarily better or
worse, but providing a different kind of feedback. These kinds of
differences can be good as they can lead you to look at photography
in a new way. There'll be a much more direct response to changing
settings, helping you to visualize the results. I can imagine
shooting B&W in the EVF when I'm more concerned with light and
structure and don't want the distraction of colour.
Agreed, the D300's viewfinder is a horse of a different color. But, I could never handle the size and weight of that lovely cam. :-( Bad back forces me to do with much smaller bodies. I have my little ol' Minolta Maxxum 5 film SLR to remind me of what an OVF is supposed to be like. Trouble is, I'm too lazy/cheap to get film developed any more. I love digital. Agree about using B&W in the EVF for certain types of shooting, too. The little EVF on my FZ28 works fine for me, so the G1's should be great.

....
I've never owned a camera with an articulated LCD and am looking
forward to it. When I frame shots with my D300 from close to the
ground, I have to lie on the ground. While in Vietnam last January,
alarmed staff of a hotel we were staying at asked me if I was OK or
needed help while busy taking photos along the ground.
Yes, the G1 on a Gorilla pod with the LCD to look at is far more doable for me!
The G1 looks good. I wonder though how soon Olympus will have a µ4/3
body ready.
I'm betting PMA will have Oly showing their first model. Don't know if I can wait that long, but I'm sure it'll be good.
The one I'm
really happy about is the 20mm f1.7, won't that be a treat?
Yes, that will be a treat; just the perfect "normal" lens. I'm not
overly concerned about IQ either; that should be at least as good as
on current 4/3 models. Well see how good the new kit lens is, then
I'm IN as well.

--
Björn

galleries: http://www.pbase.com/viztyger

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Joan
http://www.pbase.com/joan55
 
I'm betting PMA will have Oly showing their first model. Don't know
if I can wait that long, but I'm sure it'll be good.
Really, you don't think they have something ready for the Photokina2008? It's a major event, they have got to come out with something exciting.
 
Panasonic comes out with the first EVIL, and half the people posting
here are whining that it doesn't look like a rangefinder?
Yup . . . I don't get this Leica rangefinder thang.
When they were news, how many people could afford them?
Now they are long gone, who wants a flat box with no secure right
hand grip?
I'm glad that Panasonic have stayed modern with this one.
The reason I'm disappointed is that I look to panasonic, Fuji, etc. for a nice compact with great quality... like the LX3. Many here, including me, have DSLRs and are looking for something with near the same quality, but with more convenience to use for casual shooting. This G1 doesn't hit the mark for us. If I have to sling it over my shoulder or put in a camera bag, I'll just bring the DSLR instead.

Building a camera with rangefinder form factor doesn't mean it has to cost $5k, it just means it's more pocketable. I can put it in my jacket pocket, for example, and use it while on a ride at a theme park for stills and video of my kids. Often they don't allow camera bags on the ride or a camera around your neck.

Of course, many here are bridge camera owners looking to step it up and this hits the mark pretty well. It's just a different perspective.
 
I would sure love it if they do! I just have a feeling that Oly isn't quite as far along with m4/3 as Panasonic is. There have been rumors of a "tweener" camera from Oly that will sit between the E-520 and E-3, weather sealed and (hopefully) with E330's Live view A, flip LCD.

I guess we just have to wait and see; perhaps they will have a prototype at Photokina and something available by Christmas? That would be good!
I'm betting PMA will have Oly showing their first model. Don't know
if I can wait that long, but I'm sure it'll be good.
Really, you don't think they have something ready for the
Photokina2008? It's a major event, they have got to come out with
something exciting.
--
Joan
http://www.pbase.com/joan55
 
Yep, the pretend mock-ups that were flying around here a couple of
weeks ago were pretty sexy looking. :-) I could go for something like
that.
Not only that, but also pretty professional looking as well.
Agreed, the D300's viewfinder is a horse of a different color. But, I
could never handle the size and weight of that lovely cam. :-( Bad
back forces me to do with much smaller bodies.
Lovely at it is, it's just too heavy and large for carrying around all day while traveling. I see the D300 more as a tool for photography assignments. The G1 on the other hand is intended for personal use.

I have my little ol'
Minolta Maxxum 5 film SLR to remind me of what an OVF is supposed to
be like. Trouble is, I'm too lazy/cheap to get film developed any
more. I love digital.
While it does take some time to develop film, sorting and cataloging tens of thousands of digital images can take a considerable amount of time as well. The reason I love digital is its ability to give you instant feedback so you can decide whether you need to retake a photo and what you could improve upon.
Agree about using B&W in the EVF for certain
types of shooting, too. The little EVF on my FZ28 works fine for me,
so the G1's should be great.
Yes, the G1 on a Gorilla pod with the LCD to look at is far more
doable for me!
I'm betting PMA will have Oly showing their first model. Don't know
if I can wait that long, but I'm sure it'll be good.
I think you are right. Ian at Four Thirds User states that he isn't expecting any Olympus µ4/3 products at Photokina. Any cameras announced at PMA won't likely be available until early Summer 2009 anyway.

But he also states that he is still under NDA for further µ4/3 products:

"Actually I'm still under NDA for MFT products besides those that have been press released... "

I wonder what those could be? Leica µ4/3 lenses?

In any case, definitely more to come. I'll be at Photokina on Friday the 26 of September, so I'll have a look then.
--
Björn

galleries: http://www.pbase.com/viztyger

 
Translated link here...
Priceless gems can be found there!

Miller is no space to move is necessary because of the need to secure a flange focus.

Kirei more easily and to take pictures, but it is heavy and the big single-lens reflex, it difficult to carry it.

That single-lens reflex to solve the problems, G1 is a single-lens reflex that is different from the traditional "mirror-less structure" to adopt.
 

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