Scutellata
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What is the Negative option used for? The DC doesn’t need it to make prints. What a waste of ROM that could be used fore B/W instead…
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Jared-5
Veteran Member
I'd have to agree with most here on the following:
Digital effects are of no use to me for still shots.
I have not tried using them with MPEGs or clip motion, and as I think about it, that might be the only time I would use them (only because I don't have the software/knowhow to do this after the MPEG is created).
Who really uses "STANDARD" compression rather than "FINE"? Why would anyone want this feature? I've never done the comparison, but without even thinking about it I would rather drop resolution a notch and continue in "FINE" mode if I needed to save space.
Maybe I should take a picture at 640x480 with "STANDARD" compression at ISO 400 just to see how bad I can get it to look?
"EMAIL" mode has never come in handy for me. If I ever needed it I would rather resize (I know everybody hates in-camera resizing) images as needed later. I've actually done this while using someone else's machine and wanting to send an e-mail. If every computer had PSE or PSP installed, I would say dump the resizing. Until then...
I do use the "BURST" mode from time to time, and would miss it. (wish it was faster/longer though!)
In-camera sharpness is something I've never used, and don't think I will. If I need something sharper I'd rather use software and adjust it in front of my 17" monitor than view the small LCD and hope I didn't overdo the effect.
Ulysses, I'm completely with you on the movie mode. I'm an average user, not a newspaper photog. I like to have fun with my toys, and have used the MPEG feature quite a few times. I would hate to give it up.
For those who don't think they need "NIGHTSHOT" I respect your decision, but I love it. There is no other camera out there (yet) that I would rather have. Can you do THIS with a DSLR?
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Jared
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TrekSF6
Veteran Member
True then it would actually get some use. Maybe Sony will revise it in next camera.
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Ulysses
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Now THAT is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. 
I wonder if I should invest the time in looking for these.
Ulysses
I wonder if I should invest the time in looking for these.
--Small "Fastex" or "side-release" buckles can be added to your
current fixed camera strap to convert it into a quick-release model.
You should be able to pick these up at your local backpacking
store (REI, Campmor, etc) and if you ask them nicely, you can
probably also use their "hot blade" to cut and seal the nylon
webbing on your strap.
Good luck!
Ulysses
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Ulysses
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So do I.
Well, I don't know how reasonable that is.
What?!?? How you going to fit all them pitchas on your 128MB stick then? We can double the amount with the Standard mode without losing significantly on quality.
Hey man!! You will pay the price for your lack of vision. ;-]
You and all that you have beeeen, will be assimilated into our collective consciousness:
Heheheheh....
[whew...] You had me going for a while there. You're not a lost cause yet.
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Ulysses
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Ulysses
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It won't save as much.
And it might surprise you to know that quite a number of Shay's works are shot in Standard. So are plenty of mine. And a number of other experienced users here in the forum.
Surprise!
))They're not always that bad, believe it or not.
Yeah, all kidding aside, I'd miss that if it were taken away. Funny thing is that the Movie mode is one of the greater reasons that drew my brother (very similar to me in personality...) to the Fuji S602. He's having a baby. He wants to take mostly stills. He's not going to have the cash to get a camcorder at the same time. So he opted for a good all-around camera with a great movie mode. With family scattered all across the world, and a desire for a heightened FUN factor, I can't blame him one bit. THe Fuji has an awesome movie mode for a still camera. He even got the Microdrive to ensure that he could run this mode for as long as possible. I was frankly quite surprised at the quality of this Fuji's movie mode.
NightShot was one of the first things I did with the camera. Then Night Framing. I don't know that I'll ever be stunned by a mode in another camera the way that those two did it. That's when I realized I was hooked.
Even if we get away from certain modes over time and not using them as often, it's good to think back about what drew us to the camera in the first place. Fun, ain't it?
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Ulysses
Mike Fitzgerald
Veteran Member
57HotrodVW
Forum Enthusiast
I think it would definitely be worth your time. I'm not sure what size the webbing is the the F707 strap, but you should be able to find these buckles in 1/2", 3/4", and 1" without a problem.
I found a few different styles online, here's one source - http://aplusproduct.com/project/catalog/pet.html
-Eric
I found a few different styles online, here's one source - http://aplusproduct.com/project/catalog/pet.html
-Eric
I wonder if I should invest the time in looking for these.
--Small "Fastex" or "side-release" buckles can be added to your
current fixed camera strap to convert it into a quick-release model.
You should be able to pick these up at your local backpacking
store (REI, Campmor, etc) and if you ask them nicely, you can
probably also use their "hot blade" to cut and seal the nylon
webbing on your strap.
Good luck!
Ulysses
kiwi
Leading Member
.... and don't bother further until they are ready to put in a real external flash support scheme
Jared-5
Veteran Member
...hmm, maybe I have prejudged the "STANDARD" mode too harshly. I've always felt that "picture quality" should be set at the highest value, and "resolution/image size" can be adjusted to conserve space if needed.It won't save as much.
And it might surprise you to know that quite a number of Shay's
works are shot in Standard. So are plenty of mine. And a number of
other experienced users here in the forum.
Surprise!
They're not always that bad, believe it or not.
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Ulysses
I guess I was afraid of getting a picture in "STANDARD" mode and later wishing it was in "FINE" mode.
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Jared
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Ulysses
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Understandable. In this case, though, it's almost more of a mental thing than basing the decision on what actually happens, and what might be more practical for the project at hand.
Now, to balance this discussion out, there are some subjects that may not hold up quite as well in Standard mode, where you'll definitely pull all the resolution and detail out when preserved in Fine mode instead. But ordinarily, the two modes are very close indeed so that when viewed at normal 100% with the human eye at a comfortable viewing distance, or when printed, you won't see any difference.
When the shots are not critical, or when you're going to be resizing and editing them anyway, there's nothing at all wrong with the Standard mode. And it can be quite useful in terms of getting more shots on your stick.
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Ulysses
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Ulysses
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For example, compare Phil's tests at:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscf707/page12.asp
Ulysses
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscf707/page12.asp
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Ulysses
Jared-5
Veteran Member
Thanks Ulysses. Through this forum I am learning to use features I otherwise would not have considered. Things like digital zoom:
http://www.pbase.com/image/2339886
I thought I'd never even enable it. Now it is always on. I do try to avoid it, but when I can make use of it, I do. The framing could have been better, but that doesn't seem to be the camera's fault ;-)
The "STANDARD" compression is another that I'll have to look into. Although I haven't had to worry about runnung out of space yet, this seems like it could come in handy while going on a trip.
Just so you know, you're also on my list:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=2928446
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Jared
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Ulysses
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Nice wabbit.
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Ulysses
That's the thing. You use it when you feel it might help you in a situation when you need it and can't get the shot any other way.
Exactly.
Don't even mention it. The list is long, I'm sure.
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Ulysses
Walter Mitty
Active member
I have that problem too. They should make those things so they only swivel 300 degrees or so.
I would take away the "effects" in the menu. I would rather use
photo editing software to do it.
Take away the swivels for the straps. OK, so I am being anal here.
At least add ones that do not get twisted. I spend a lot of time
untwisting my neck strap and lens cover.
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David
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Walter Mitty
Active member
I doubt Sony will give us manual control over Nightshot.
Right after they released Nightshot on the camcorders, people were using it in the daylight to see through light/thin clothing (like bathing suits). Their fix was to make it so it would only be useful in the dark. However, people have added IR filters to their camcorders circumvent this. Too bad people abuse the features.
(Note to self: look out for people videotaping my wife on the beach with a dark lens)
Right after they released Nightshot on the camcorders, people were using it in the daylight to see through light/thin clothing (like bathing suits). Their fix was to make it so it would only be useful in the dark. However, people have added IR filters to their camcorders circumvent this. Too bad people abuse the features.
(Note to self: look out for people videotaping my wife on the beach with a dark lens)
I sure like this camera, but since you ask, Picture Effects comes
to mind, and Manual Focus (theoretically I'd like to have manual
focus but as it exists on the 707 it's hard for me to tell where
the image is sharpest, so I don't use it much) Moving Images and
Nightframing... does anyone use Nightframing? I'm curious.
Some other thoughts
Make "Nightshot" valid in Manual Mode enabling full control of
daylight infrared shooting (we're beggin' ya.)
Move emitters so lens barrel diameter can be reduced (could they
pop up?)
I'm always untwisting the strap... (could the attachments swivel
less?)
I've messed up shots because because I forget that I'm in macro
mode, could I have control over whether that setting is saved or
not saved when the camera is shut off?
AE lock: could that remain in effect until I shut it off, instead
of the camera shutting it off?
Recording images for e-mail: for my purposes these are a bit too
low-res, but I would use it if the files were a little bigger, say
6" x 4.5" x 72DPI, that would be very handy to me.
I'd like to have contrast adjustment, and saturation adjustment,
although I'm rarely unhappy with what the 707 does on its own
without these settings, still I think a camera in this class ought
to offer these adjustments
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JohnK
Walter Mitty
Active member
And carry around two cameras?
I would not want this feature on a Pro camera, but I think it does belong on Prosumer camers. It can stay (and would be cool if were as good as the Finepix 602).
The movie mode is pretty cool, but limited. I use it once for about every 100 pictures I take, depending on the situation (not relevant for moon shots
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I would not want this feature on a Pro camera, but I think it does belong on Prosumer camers. It can stay (and would be cool if were as good as the Finepix 602).
The movie mode is pretty cool, but limited. I use it once for about every 100 pictures I take, depending on the situation (not relevant for moon shots
)Walter Mitty
Active member
I am SO with you here. From the first day I got it to today, I always W when I meant to T.
I'm with you guys... I still think it's so weird that it was done this way. Counter-intuitive to me.
Rick.
I'm not all that pleased with the manual focus either, but I have to chime in and say it's a dream come true compared to my last camera. With the Kodak DC290, you have to use the LCD to go into the menus and set the distance from a list of choices. Takes a good long time, and there's no preview at all. Needless to say, I never used it...
Rick.
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