How about 1080P Video for D3X?

John Ricard said:

Please explain what this would do for action PHOTOGRPAHY. I
understand what it might do for action VIDEOGRAPHY but I don't see
how adding a video function to a still camera is going to help you
PHOTOGRPHAHY at all.

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Imagine a camera that will rifle off a burst of 60 frames/second. They're stored in a file as a RAW movie for convenience, but the thumbnail image is the one for which you actually pressed the shutter. The the first 30 or so images are before you pressed the shutter while the next 30 are after you released the shutter, leaving the remaining pix to be those while you held the shutter release button down. The DSLR becomes a shutter-button controlled movie camera.

As you've experienced, in uncontrived photography or even group photography, often you don't know exactly what you are taking a picture of. I do a lot of martial arts, and it is an incredible challenge to get a compelling frame. The few times you're actually able to capture a landed shot will reveal that they are not the most compelling images. In football, you're following a wide receiver, but you don't know if you will be photographing a catch or a miss.

For group photography, I find 8-9 frames/second to be a saver provided that is possible (as in, you don't have to wait for flashes to recharge). The more people you have, the greater the chance that you capture a blink.

John Ricard said:

video with the camera on a tripod. The fact that so many people are
upset about the 5min limitation on shooting time proves they don't
understand how to use the feature.

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You make an important point. However, in most of the TV interviews I've been involved, the duration is longer than five minutes and there is no time to wait for a camera to cool.

John Ricard said:

But if you're just looking for excellent quality video cameras that
shoot 60fps, there are dozens of them already.

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You're right. I have a fine camcorder (Sony EX1) that can do 720p60. However, its optics are not in the league of Nikon's finest, and its trio of 1/2" sensors do not have low light sensitivity it not in the league of even the D90.

Check out the "Oakley" cam. Red One is looking to build a DSLR-

I know this is not a "poll" type post, but I for one have no interest in a video capable pro-level DSLR from Nikon. I say leave the video option for the pro-sumer stuff or at the very least make a seperate pro dslr with video capability...

Until they get frame shuttering (such as in certain older Canon and Nikon DSLR's with CCD instead of CMOS) you will get some spectacularly hideous "effects". This happens even to the RED, and it happens in my Canon HV-20 HD video camera. It's nassssssty; I'd rather have banding in my DSLR!
KP

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Marshal said:

Just a thought. Or 1080i video. Perhaps they could perfect it a
llittle more by D3X announcement or release and have AF capable HD
video. Wouldn't that be the perfect Canon beating combination?
Superb quality still photos and Pro quality HD Cam capability all in
one. How about it Nikon?

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There is no large-sensor (i.e. DX/FX size) movie camera that does autofocus, AFAIK. The technology doesn't exist. Not going to happen in a year or two. Maybe in a decade.

They probably aren't going to put immature video technology in a flagship camera. especially a high res model not intended for press work.

Ken Phillips said:

Until they get frame shuttering (such as in certain older Canon and
Nikon DSLR's with CCD instead of CMOS) you will get some
spectacularly hideous "effects". This happens even to the RED, and it
happens in my Canon HV-20 HD video camera. It's nassssssty; I'd
rather have banding in my DSLR!

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the shutter in the d90 is fully open during the video capture period. I am wondering what you're referring to.

Ilkka Nissilä said:

the shutter in the d90 is fully open during the video capture period.
I am wondering what you're referring to.

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Here's the explanation. If Sony is unable to solve this on their CMOS camcorders (EX1/EX3), I suspect that Nikon will have the same trouble. Anyway, in practice, the problem is noticeable when there are bright, fast changes of light such as a camera flash, police car signals and rapidly changing light of similar nature.

Must say that Nikon lens mount for the red one camera makes it mighty appealing, pity they don't do a cannon mount he he
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Vince Positano said:

I know this is not a "poll" type post, but I for one have no interest
in a video capable pro-level DSLR from Nikon. I say leave the video
option for the pro-sumer stuff or at the very least make a seperate
pro dslr with video capability...

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There will be convergence. If Nikon is not going to do it, Canon will. And guess what, it will sell! Video cams will do the opposite - offer still photography on camcorders.

In the future, video in dslr's will just be another "depth of field preview" or "live view". It is there but not a lot of people will use it.

... and it's a weird thing to see!
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When the idea of video on a DSLR was first proposed, I felt as you did - that video had no place in a DSLR and it was just a marketing gimmick. But once I saw the D90 announcement and viewed the sample videos, I changed my mind because the idea of being able to shoot video on a large sensor with high-quality large lenses is quite intriguing to me.

I might change my mind again if real-world usage of the video doesn't live up to the expectation, but here's a few examples of where I think this works:

• you're shooting a concert and want to capture a quick 20 seconds of a song for posting on YouTube.

• you're shooting a wedding and the bride and groom do something cute like shoving cake in each other's faces or a nice kiss and while they didn't want to pay for a separate videographer, you can earn some extra revenue by creating a DVD of short video vignettes.

• you're shooting your family and your kid (or grandkid) starts dancing. You quickly switch to video mode and capture it.

• you're street shooting doing PJ and some cop confronts a demonstrator (or vice-versa). You want to capture the video and audio.

• you're doing a model shoot and in addition to the usual poses, the model does something comprising of some action.

I also agree with those who think a D3X or a D4 can further push the envelope with:
1080p
30 frame option
external mic
line in
longer than 20 second shooting time
SMPTE time code option
sync out
auto-focus (although I think pulling focus is kind of fun.)

Whether you like it or not, video can no longer be ignored. More people are watching YouTube than watching traditional television. Everyone is going to expect video, especially if it can be very high quality.

in fact a concert I shot last night had an occasional flash from parents cameras going off and in a few cases only the bottom of the frame copped the flash so the stage remained exposed properly. With a CCD or global shutter that whole frame would have been destroyed...

Any footage that displays any noticable skewing will for the most part, be unwatchable irrelevant of the skewing, it takes that much rapid movement to produce it.

Its yet another marketing scare mongering hype thing Panasonic are perpetuating. That will remain so until Panasonic start using CMOS themselves and the problem suddeny won't be a problem. Same goes for LONG GOP. Panasonic couldn't shut up about interframe vs intraframe and how long GOP was so inferiour, yet Panasonic now just start releasing long GOP professional cameras of their own... I don't have time for their hyprocracy.

I have shot a fair bit with the EX1 now and the rolling shutter is a non event. Compared to the SD resolution of the 200 and 500 series in a supposed HD Panasonic camera, they have some catching up to do with their sensors.

If they do it and want any pro level credance from it then they HAVE to make sure they use a codec which stands up to professional expectations. The D90s is a seriously consumer compression level.

For a camara and sensor like this, to be taken seriously I would expect
1080 50/60p
4:2:2 Colour Space
50-100Mbps MPG2@HL Bit Rate

Its nice being 35mm, but there is so much more to video image quality than DOF.

I'd much rather a real video camera from Nikon (with Video glass) rather than trying to change a DSLR into a video camera...

... try tracking fast moving animals! That's precisely what I got an HV video camera for. I didn't know what the heck some of the "effects" were 'til I searched a bit. But hey, the cameras are great for a static shot of a high school play!
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I and others use CMOS camera for fast paced sports all the time, not a problem at all. There is your theory, and my practice...

And when you attach a pro quality mic with a windjammer (or similar) on a SLR format box, then how are you going to keep that thing stable? Wouldn't it become terribly front heavy? And what about zooming? Manually? Maybe there are uses for such a thing still?

Tell me... what would the cases be where that could be used. Websites of printed press? But then again, you need good pictures. Can't do two creative tasks at once, can you?

Rlf said:

And when you attach a pro quality mic with a windjammer (or similar)
on a SLR format box, then how are you going to keep that thing
stable? Wouldn't it become terribly front heavy? And what about
zooming? Manually? Maybe there are uses for such a thing still?

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There is very little zooming in film. The Nikon cameras sit between film cameras and video cameras. Video cameras are built for current video applications. There is little reason that you couldn't mount your Nikon camera on a Vortex Media VSB01 shoulder mount and attach an 8-15" HD LCD monitor, a full mic setup and battery power for your lighting. When you add all of that in, you're approaching th weight of a broadcast shoulder-mounted cameras. The camera and video recorder were boudn to merge as soon as both began to record to flash memory.

Rlf said:

Tell me... what would the cases be where that could be used. Websites
of printed press? But then again, you need good pictures. Can't do
two creative tasks at once, can you?

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No, but you can alternate. It's quite difficult for a video camera with the current crop of non-interchangeable lenses to do macro or tele videography. And the current low light abilities of the D3 sensor completely wipes away the current crop of video camera sensors, even the trio of 1/2" CMOS on the Sony EX1.

... rolling shutter is.

If your camera has that type (and it probably does) I can easily make it show the artifacts; so can you. But you may not ever use it in a situation where the effect if pronounced. (Heck, some Canon Mk. III users even claim that their cameras focus perfectly every time!)

I just found a video that shows the effect that I get. As I said, it's not something that shows all the time, but when it does, the footage is not usable. I certainly have learned how to avoid it most of the time. But its existence annoys me.
http://www.ssontech.com/content/skool.mov

My 16mm cine cameras never had that problem! And most of my video is fine ... but some of it is downright weird. And when DSLR users see it, they are gonna complain.

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yes the thought is can happen in theory annoys me too but I have yet to see it. That footage certainly shows it but it also clearly handheld footage from a vibration heavy environment (ie chopper). While this one shows bad wobble, a global shutter would very likely show unwatchable vibration in the image, either way the footage is going to be unusable.

Ken Phillips wrote:
..., but when it does, the

Ken Phillips said:

footage is not usable. I certainly have learned how to avoid it most
of the time. But its existence annoys me.
http://www.ssontech.com/content/skool.mov

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