D90 True Motion Pictures - One Opinion

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I've read lots of posts complaining about the "limitations" of the D90's D-Movie mode, especially compared to current consumer digicams/camcorders. I find quite the reverse to be true.

As a preface, I was an agent in the Television/Film industry for 20+ years and while I suspect I have little talent for actual filmmaking, I've seen a great deal of it happen.

Shortcoming Misconception A - "the D90 doesn't even autofocus"

Films are routinely shot on 35mm motion picture cameras like the Arriflex or Panavision camera's which can be a bit spendy ($100,000 - $200,000 plus). These cameras don't autofocus, they are often operated by a camera operator who deals with camera movement and composition and a focus puller who focuses based on markings made on the lens to correspond with "marks" to be hit by the subjects.

Shortcoming misconception B - "you can't accurately focus when subject distance changes dramatically"

If you pay attention to a feature film you will see lots of shots with the camera moving with the subject. Dollies are routinely used to keep focal ranges relatively constant while maintaining shallow DOF.

Shortcoming misconception C - "how can it be serious, it can only shoot 5 min clips"

I'm not a film historian but I would be surprised if any mainstream motion picture ever had a 5 min. continuous shot. Shots are much more often measured in seconds rather than mins.

Shortcoming misconception D - "it doesn't even have stereo or an external mic".

Films routinely use quality sound recording equipment and the sound is then sync'ed to the motion in post-production/editing.

The fact that scenes can be shot and reshot, take after take, without the cost of film and processing is also monumental.

Is the D90 for $1,000 plus lenses a replacement for the 1/4 million dollar film cameras? Certainly not, but it is a far more creative tool given it's access to a gigantic sensor in digicam terms, it's access to superb quality lenses and their inherent DOF and creative flexability, than any current HD consumer digicam/camcorder.

I think all the consumer digicam/camcorders to this point have been the equivilent of P&S and THIS camera is the begining of the digital revolution in motion equivilent to an SLR.

I'm so excited to see what the current crop of young bright filmmakers will do with this camera. Once it gets in their hands it should change the shape of youtube and micro=filmmaking in ways I can barely imagine.

Oh and one last aside, perhaps the 5 min clip limit will spare us the boring soccer games and birthday parties which are much better served by the current crop of digicams and will bring us some truly creative and beautiful images (albeit moving), which is the reason we are here.

I can't wait.

Joe
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You make a pretty strong case.

I also think the D90 is a game changer in far more many ways than many people can imagine. Anyway, the move is simply brilliant from Nikon. It opens up Nikkor glass to a whole new audience. I'm sure that many creative individuals will take this movie function of the D90 and use it to go beyond the limits faced by "affordable" camcorders today.

I, for one, will be waiting for the D65 with D-Movie. That will be awesome :) You can mount (almost?) every lens conceived for the F system on that D40-like body. Awesome-o!

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I think the longest continuos shot in a Hollywood film was in Brian
de Palma's film called Body Double. Check out the long travelling
shot in the shopping mall.
Actually, in research after reading your post, there are longer, Hitchcock's "Rope" was shot to appear as a continuous shot but since film reels were only 10 mins they were string together in 8 shots. There have even been single shot films.

at http://www.cinemetrics.lv/database.php you can see a large database of films and their ASL (average scene length), it's informative but does support an average scene length of generally single or double digit seconds in most films.

Thanks for the bit of info.

Joe
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Imagine if Chaplin, Man Ray,Alain Resnais ,or any of the avant-garde filmmakers had the D90!? The limits are only one's desires, & overcast days!
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Good points. Very interesting is the fact that Nikon probably expanded their user base considerably with upcoming movie professionals. We need a motion pictures forum.

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The reaction to the D90 on both the Canon and Nikon forums, for
better or worse, has been amusing to say the least.

Back in May, MR wrote an interesting article about still/video
convergence on his luminous-landscape website:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/convergence.shtml
That's a GREAT essay and puts into words my thoughts expectations and hopes much better than I can.

I can't take great pictures, but I can appreciate them. I can't make great movies, but I can appreciate them, and I can't verbalize the great future, but I can imagine it....:)

Thanks for the link.

Joe
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I think the longest continuos shot in a Hollywood film was in Brian
de Palma's film called Body Double. Check out the long travelling
shot in the shopping mall.
Maybe, but Russian director Alexander Sokurov filmed the 90 min long Russian Ark
all in one take.

Sure its art house. But this is one of the contradictions enthusiasts of the D90 haven't reconciled. Most of them see the camera as the next art house must have, but that medium habitually uses super long takes. It's Hollywood which goes in for a multitude of 10 sec flash bang clips.
 
I think the longest continuos shot in a Hollywood film was in Brian
de Palma's film called Body Double. Check out the long travelling
shot in the shopping mall.
Maybe, but Russian director Alexander Sokurov filmed the 90 min long
Russian Ark
all in one take.

Sure its art house. But this is one of the contradictions enthusiasts
of the D90 haven't reconciled. Most of them see the camera as the
next art house must have, but that medium habitually uses super long
takes. It's Hollywood which goes in for a multitude of 10 sec flash
bang clips.
Actually I shouldn't really call Russian Ark "art house" as its bit to lavish for that.
 
The NIkon D90--- ah it is just a run of the mill mediocre DSLR with
point and shoot video,, it is not even stereo-- or no AF on video
mode...

p.s. I am KIDDING!! :-D
No offence taking, I'm currently in the process of reviewing my thoughts on the impact of movie modes in DSLRs. I'm still not in favour, but so many people are that I'm begining to suspect we have a game changing situation here.
 
If you watch Hitchcock's Rope you will see that every time a roll of film had to be changed the camera would pass through a part of the scenario which was static so they could "freeze" the film on a tripod and change the roll. If I remember correctly there is one take were the camera passes behind a piano for them to change the roll. The scene where the swinging doors open and the rope is thrown into a drawer simultaneously they had to shoot many times before they got it right.
 
Exactly the whole "manual focus is the real thing" argument is completely bogus. This is a consumer small camera that is not intended to be operated by a team of two people.

Argument like "there's no need for mic input" are also bogus, as the sound is not intended to be recorded on a different device and WITHOUT TIME CODE.

Finally, I don't care if 720p is marketed as HD. Real HD is Full HD.
 
I've read lots of posts complaining about the "limitations" of the
D90's D-Movie mode, especially compared to current consumer
digicams/camcorders. I find quite the reverse to be true.

As a preface, I was an agent in the Television/Film industry for 20+
years and while I suspect I have little talent for actual filmmaking,
I've seen a great deal of it happen.

Shortcoming Misconception A - "the D90 doesn't even autofocus"

Films are routinely shot on 35mm motion picture cameras like the
Arriflex or Panavision camera's which can be a bit spendy ($100,000 -
$200,000 plus). These cameras don't autofocus, they are often
operated by a camera operator who deals with camera movement and
composition and a focus puller who focuses based on markings made on
the lens to correspond with "marks" to be hit by the subjects.
AH... so, where is the focus puller, where are the markings, on a D90? Get to see how you can not just say "MF is MF"?
Shortcoming misconception B - "you can't accurately focus when
subject distance changes dramatically"

If you pay attention to a feature film you will see lots of shots
with the camera moving with the subject. Dollies are routinely used
to keep focal ranges relatively constant while maintaining shallow
DOF.
Dollies are used huh? So.. how does this equate to a movie mode on a DSLR? Every tried to MF with your DSLR lenses? And.... how did that actually look through the view finder? Not at all smooth and in one go, did it? Get to see yet why it does have its downsides?

It will be a relatively useless feature for most people.
 
Yeah, if there is no external jack, that is a bummer. Do you think that timecode would be a problem with the sophisticated editing programs available? Are you sure there is no timecode??
 
AH... so, where is the focus puller, where are the markings, on a
D90? Get to see how you can not just say "MF is MF"?
What I'm saying is if you. like most of us, want to point and shoot, buy a P&S csmcorder. If you wish to create art, which I predict many talented filmmakers will with this camera and those that follow, then you need to do what filmmakers do...compose each scene, mark your focus point, think about each 10 seconds of capture....what a concept!

I don't think I'd ever use the D-Movie, I don't have the talent, drive or patience so I'll be doing the same thing I"m often guilty of with my SLR, but with a camcorder. But to think this isn't groundbreaking and that great art will come from it is very shortsighted. The convergence is here as so well put in this link posted by Mr. Spence in this thread:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/convergence.shtml
Dollies are used huh? So.. how does this equate to a movie mode on a
DSLR? Every tried to MF with your DSLR lenses? And.... how did that
actually look through the view finder? Not at all smooth and in one
go, did it? Get to see yet why it does have its downsides?
Sure it has it's downsides, it's also not $250,000 like a "Pro" model. But I bet a great filmmaker and a skateboard for a dolly and a load of vision is gonna do a hell of a job.
It will be a relatively useless feature for most people.
Yep, and a DSLR is a useless feature for most people (including me all too often I'm afraid) but for those with the talent it will be invaluable. Me, I'll be the guy with the camcorder, admiring the "films" made by those who can, just as I admire the fantastic photos I admire here and will likely never equal.

Joe

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