PG69156
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Another case of law enforcement overstepping their bounds...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/23/BA0N12GMEE.DTL
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/23/BA0N12GMEE.DTL
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Press photographer sues Oakland over arrest
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linuxworks
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a single cop does not equal the whole police force; and so even if it was 'one bad cop' HOW did this get to escalate and not have the supervisor step in and immediately correct the bad cop?
whole dept takes the blame since no one did anything to correct the cop's illegal actions.
I hope they pay dearly. otoh, they'll just start collecting more speeding tickets to make up for any losses due to the suit. ;( and no 're-education' will take place - we all know that.
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Bryan
PG69156
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Both cases discussed in this thread have a reverse meaning: you must have enough strong position, loyal friends, and attract enough lawyer's attention to bring such cases to limited public attention.
All others beware.
By the way: mr. Eslocker acted as real amateur. Heavily tagged and brutally instructed staff photographer would never rise his camera in such situation. He would be fired by his publisher.
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All others beware.
By the way: mr. Eslocker acted as real amateur. Heavily tagged and brutally instructed staff photographer would never rise his camera in such situation. He would be fired by his publisher.
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According to what we've been hearing lately, the bad ones seem to be growing.
I like the police officers too, and I observe how their job is difficult.
But also for the extended time I see, how their sense of the law and order is derailed by new instructions and brainwash.
Today they have no hesitation to do thing, which would be shameful to them ten years ago.
We really need change, but there is no such on the horizon.
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But also for the extended time I see, how their sense of the law and order is derailed by new instructions and brainwash.
Today they have no hesitation to do thing, which would be shameful to them ten years ago.
We really need change, but there is no such on the horizon.
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Patrick T. Kelly
Senior Member
A. All we got from the article was one side of the story but that seems to be enough for some. I doubt the photographer was arrested "solely for exercising his first amendment rights."
B. Press credentials do nothing except say you work for a specific company. They have all the power of an IBM ID card hanging around your neck.
C. It will be interesting to see how it comes out but we probably won't. If Mr. Chavez loses that won't be news.
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Patrick T. Kelly
Oaxaca, Mexico
B. Press credentials do nothing except say you work for a specific company. They have all the power of an IBM ID card hanging around your neck.
C. It will be interesting to see how it comes out but we probably won't. If Mr. Chavez loses that won't be news.
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Patrick T. Kelly
Oaxaca, Mexico
igb
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Why?
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would you please explain what you meant by "mr. Eslocker acted as real amateur. Heavily tagged and brutally instructed staff photographer would never rise his camera in such situation. He would be fired by his publisher."
it seems english is not your first language, as many of your posts are confusing.
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jim
it seems english is not your first language, as many of your posts are confusing.
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jim
linuxworks
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I'm asking - because I don't know - but is this really true? doesn't 'the press' have extra access that regular citizens can't quite claim? even if not by the letter of the law, then by convention?
it sure seems that someone with a 'press pass' can get close to any kind of action than I could, sans pass.
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Bryan
I remember... I met you briefly at a little party with Kim Puc, and I still find you lost and confused, Do you experience the US for the first time? Have you learned English from camera manuals?
Yes, most of the newspaper staff photographers in the US get out of their offices very well equipped. Say: overdressed. Also they wear huge name tags, and badges of their employers, so the people know, that they may be photographed.
On the other hand the authorities know, that staff photographers are properly instructed, and they will not photograph anything relevant.
That is, how it does work.
Mr. Eslocker is not a photographer, acted as a private person, overstepped his competences, and ABC will rather reprimand him, than provide legal defense.
I hope, you find it helpful.
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Yes, most of the newspaper staff photographers in the US get out of their offices very well equipped. Say: overdressed. Also they wear huge name tags, and badges of their employers, so the people know, that they may be photographed.
On the other hand the authorities know, that staff photographers are properly instructed, and they will not photograph anything relevant.
That is, how it does work.
Mr. Eslocker is not a photographer, acted as a private person, overstepped his competences, and ABC will rather reprimand him, than provide legal defense.
I hope, you find it helpful.
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Patrick T. Kelly
Senior Member
"it sure seems that someone with a 'press pass' can get close to any kind of action than I could, sans pass."
Not true. A press pass, and a working relationship with the police officers, might get you some minor courtesy. A press pass isn't difficult to get.
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Patrick T. Kelly
Oaxaca, Mexico
Not true. A press pass, and a working relationship with the police officers, might get you some minor courtesy. A press pass isn't difficult to get.
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Patrick T. Kelly
Oaxaca, Mexico
I am not sure, you address your post to me. Anyway:
Socio-psychological function of the name tags, and passes, the people wear - frequently away from their direct purpose - is a different issue. Interesting - of course.
I've been photographing part of the present DNC intentionally without any passes, ID's, with minimal tools, and with no particular purpose. Completely different point of view...
Certainly, any credible tagging may - and usually does - earn some confidence.
Because from the very beginning you are making a deal. That's the price...
Best regards.
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the police broke the law.
A accredited photographer with a police card (like we have in the UK) has the right by law to report a incident by duty (using his camera).
It would be like saying that a news gathering organization cant take pictures from a helicopter of OJ Simpson driving his jeep with a gun in his hand..
The only difference was that the photographer in this case was close to the accident whilst the helicopter wasnt.
Well i suppose the police could always shoot at the helicopter.
In fact if a member of the public tried to stop a press photographer doing his job then the police by law must come to the aid of the photographer.
As for the photographer not taking picures, thats NOT his job. The photographers job IS taking the pictures and then the EDITOR decides what is used and what is not.
The photographer is not the editor.
The photographers job is simply taking the picture.
We all know that the police make mistakes. To Err is Human as the saying goes, but the the officers of the law are not above the law.
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George Richardson
A accredited photographer with a police card (like we have in the UK) has the right by law to report a incident by duty (using his camera).
It would be like saying that a news gathering organization cant take pictures from a helicopter of OJ Simpson driving his jeep with a gun in his hand..
The only difference was that the photographer in this case was close to the accident whilst the helicopter wasnt.
Well i suppose the police could always shoot at the helicopter.
In fact if a member of the public tried to stop a press photographer doing his job then the police by law must come to the aid of the photographer.
As for the photographer not taking picures, thats NOT his job. The photographers job IS taking the pictures and then the EDITOR decides what is used and what is not.
The photographer is not the editor.
The photographers job is simply taking the picture.
We all know that the police make mistakes. To Err is Human as the saying goes, but the the officers of the law are not above the law.
Regards
George Richardson
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Everything you say is true------------BUT--------------I wouldnt want to have to deal with an incident like that with a snap happy photographer capturing my every move.My guess is that testosterone was involved on both sides---It would be usual to secure the scene first with tape and keep the press beyond that perimeter.Who knows what was said that sparked this.I do know that if I was a passenger in the car I wouldnt want to photographed----------------I would however like to be helped from the car and preferably as quickly as possible !
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PJT
The note is saying clearly: "he and a camera crew were attempting to take pictures".
As you can find in the other thread, the police officers were from a different city, and they were moonlighting as private security guards, what is legal in Colorado. Even if mr. Eslocker would be shot on the spot, not much will happen. The police officer can always mistake the object in someone's hand for a gun. In Denver an elderly man had been shot to death in his bed, because he hold a can of coke in his hand. There is no cure for bad luck.
I would rather focus on my initial observation: even if discussed case would be somehow resolved on behalf of the assaulted man, entire "success story" would become rather a warning than encouragement for the rest of us. .
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Press Photographer and the police are trained people.
I ve been in riot situations,where ive kept my cool,because being cool in a dangerous situation will save your life.
War photographers are the same (as above).
The fact are that the police broke the law of the land.
They made a mistake.
Regards
GR
I ve been in riot situations,where ive kept my cool,because being cool in a dangerous situation will save your life.
War photographers are the same (as above).
The fact are that the police broke the law of the land.
They made a mistake.
Regards
GR
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