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I know this iis a bit off the topic of Nikon SLRs, but it does have something to do with the processing of the images.

I have a 2 year old Voodoo3 video card, which is now obsolete and the company that manufactured it is out of business (aquired by NVidea).

I wanted to replace it with a current card, and hopefully get a bit better graphics performance at the same time (as well as processing my D1X NEF images, I alsol use the machine for video (DV) editing).

I just bought a Matrox G550 video card, and installed it today. I was non too pleased to find that after profiling the monitor, I couldn't assign the .icc profile. in fact, I couldn't assign ANY profile. A quick look at the Matrox support site showed that others had the same problem. the reply from Matrox was that icc profiles are only for high-end printers, and anyway, thats a Microsoft thing, so go talk to them.

Hmmm ... well, the driver has to use the profile to set up its LUT ... so its not just a Microsoft thing ...

Anyway, I will call their tech support (no 800, number, long distance to Canada only, and no e-mail support, just a support bulletin board) on Monday, but I am 99% certain that this card will be going back for a refund.

I tried to look up reviews of PC video cards, but all you can find are reviews of how wonderful a particular card is with some game. Next to useless if you don't want to play games ...

So, does anyone have any reccommendations for PC video cards for use with Windows 2000 ?
 
I know a lot of graphics people are looking forward to the Matrox Parhelia 512 which should be out very soon. I've only read a little about it, though. I'm going to be getting a Gainward GeForce4 myself, because I do play some games, and it's just an all-around good video card. It has TV-in and -out, and comes with a four-port FireWire PCI card. Of course, it also has some pretty amazing 3D processing. Last I checked, it was $334 - check http://pricewatch.com/


complex
http://chicane.net/gallery/
I know this iis a bit off the topic of Nikon SLRs, but it does have
something to do with the processing of the images.

I have a 2 year old Voodoo3 video card, which is now obsolete and
the company that manufactured it is out of business (aquired by
NVidea).

I wanted to replace it with a current card, and hopefully get a bit
better graphics performance at the same time (as well as processing
my D1X NEF images, I alsol use the machine for video (DV) editing).

I just bought a Matrox G550 video card, and installed it today. I
was non too pleased to find that after profiling the monitor, I
couldn't assign the .icc profile. in fact, I couldn't assign ANY
profile. A quick look at the Matrox support site showed that others
had the same problem. the reply from Matrox was that icc profiles
are only for high-end printers, and anyway, thats a Microsoft
thing, so go talk to them.

Hmmm ... well, the driver has to use the profile to set up its LUT
... so its not just a Microsoft thing ...

Anyway, I will call their tech support (no 800, number, long
distance to Canada only, and no e-mail support, just a support
bulletin board) on Monday, but I am 99% certain that this card will
be going back for a refund.

I tried to look up reviews of PC video cards, but all you can find
are reviews of how wonderful a particular card is with some game.
Next to useless if you don't want to play games ...

So, does anyone have any reccommendations for PC video cards for
use with Windows 2000 ?
--

complex
http://chicane.net/gallery/
 
I know a lot of graphics people are looking forward to the Matrox
Parhelia 512 which should be out very soon. I've only read a little
about it, though. I'm going to be getting a Gainward GeForce4
myself, because I do play some games, and it's just an all-around
good video card. It has TV-in and -out, and comes with a four-port
FireWire PCI card. Of course, it also has some pretty amazing 3D
processing. Last I checked, it was $334 - check
http://pricewatch.com/
I am a little wary of Matrox now. I really do want a card with drivers that know how to load and process ICC profiles. The G550 only has their manual system for color correction and gamma. Until I see that they have moved away from this with the Parhelia drivers, I won't be spending an more money on their hardware.
 
Boy, I'm really surprised at this.

But you really can't beat the Matrox cards for 2D quality. Sharp, and clear across the entire screen.

The G450 does work with profiling, and I think may be a bit cheaper than the 550, so try that one. (I have a G400 32 max in one computer, and a G450 in my newest, Win2k machine. Both cards are quite calibrate-able!)

Ron
I know this iis a bit off the topic of Nikon SLRs, but it does have
something to do with the processing of the images.

I have a 2 year old Voodoo3 video card, which is now obsolete and
the company that manufactured it is out of business (aquired by
NVidea).

I wanted to replace it with a current card, and hopefully get a bit
better graphics performance at the same time (as well as processing
my D1X NEF images, I alsol use the machine for video (DV) editing).

I just bought a Matrox G550 video card, and installed it today. I
was non too pleased to find that after profiling the monitor, I
couldn't assign the .icc profile. in fact, I couldn't assign ANY
profile. A quick look at the Matrox support site showed that others
had the same problem. the reply from Matrox was that icc profiles
are only for high-end printers, and anyway, thats a Microsoft
thing, so go talk to them.

Hmmm ... well, the driver has to use the profile to set up its LUT
... so its not just a Microsoft thing ...

Anyway, I will call their tech support (no 800, number, long
distance to Canada only, and no e-mail support, just a support
bulletin board) on Monday, but I am 99% certain that this card will
be going back for a refund.

I tried to look up reviews of PC video cards, but all you can find
are reviews of how wonderful a particular card is with some game.
Next to useless if you don't want to play games ...

So, does anyone have any reccommendations for PC video cards for
use with Windows 2000 ?
 
Boy, I'm really surprised at this.
So was I. The only profiling support is a toy which looks a lot like the Adobe tool with RGB sliders and a tiny graph to adjust transfer characteristics. It saves the results in the same directory used by ICC profiles, but with their own extension.

I thought that Matrox would be the way to go. Oh well, I'm busy packing it up to ship back now that i have the RMA number.
But you really can't beat the Matrox cards for 2D quality. Sharp,
and clear across the entire screen.

The G450 does work with profiling, and I think may be a bit cheaper
than the 550, so try that one. (I have a G400 32 max in one
computer, and a G450 in my newest, Win2k machine. Both cards are
quite calibrate-able!)

Ron
I know this iis a bit off the topic of Nikon SLRs, but it does have
something to do with the processing of the images.

I have a 2 year old Voodoo3 video card, which is now obsolete and
the company that manufactured it is out of business (aquired by
NVidea).

I wanted to replace it with a current card, and hopefully get a bit
better graphics performance at the same time (as well as processing
my D1X NEF images, I alsol use the machine for video (DV) editing).

I just bought a Matrox G550 video card, and installed it today. I
was non too pleased to find that after profiling the monitor, I
couldn't assign the .icc profile. in fact, I couldn't assign ANY
profile. A quick look at the Matrox support site showed that others
had the same problem. the reply from Matrox was that icc profiles
are only for high-end printers, and anyway, thats a Microsoft
thing, so go talk to them.

Hmmm ... well, the driver has to use the profile to set up its LUT
... so its not just a Microsoft thing ...

Anyway, I will call their tech support (no 800, number, long
distance to Canada only, and no e-mail support, just a support
bulletin board) on Monday, but I am 99% certain that this card will
be going back for a refund.

I tried to look up reviews of PC video cards, but all you can find
are reviews of how wonderful a particular card is with some game.
Next to useless if you don't want to play games ...

So, does anyone have any reccommendations for PC video cards for
use with Windows 2000 ?
 
Phill,

I've been using the G550 for quite some time under windows 2000, using a cusomt icc profile.

Under display properties -> settings -> Advaced -> Color Management. Form there you add and set a profile as default.

Never had a problem with this, not sure why yours is different.

The only complaint I have is that on a Dual Monitor/G550 setup the profile only works for your main display.

Hope this helps.
Boy, I'm really surprised at this.
So was I. The only profiling support is a toy which looks a lot
like the Adobe tool with RGB sliders and a tiny graph to adjust
transfer characteristics. It saves the results in the same
directory used by ICC profiles, but with their own extension.

I thought that Matrox would be the way to go. Oh well, I'm busy
packing it up to ship back now that i have the RMA number.
But you really can't beat the Matrox cards for 2D quality. Sharp,
and clear across the entire screen.

The G450 does work with profiling, and I think may be a bit cheaper
than the 550, so try that one. (I have a G400 32 max in one
computer, and a G450 in my newest, Win2k machine. Both cards are
quite calibrate-able!)

Ron
I know this iis a bit off the topic of Nikon SLRs, but it does have
something to do with the processing of the images.

I have a 2 year old Voodoo3 video card, which is now obsolete and
the company that manufactured it is out of business (aquired by
NVidea).

I wanted to replace it with a current card, and hopefully get a bit
better graphics performance at the same time (as well as processing
my D1X NEF images, I alsol use the machine for video (DV) editing).

I just bought a Matrox G550 video card, and installed it today. I
was non too pleased to find that after profiling the monitor, I
couldn't assign the .icc profile. in fact, I couldn't assign ANY
profile. A quick look at the Matrox support site showed that others
had the same problem. the reply from Matrox was that icc profiles
are only for high-end printers, and anyway, thats a Microsoft
thing, so go talk to them.

Hmmm ... well, the driver has to use the profile to set up its LUT
... so its not just a Microsoft thing ...

Anyway, I will call their tech support (no 800, number, long
distance to Canada only, and no e-mail support, just a support
bulletin board) on Monday, but I am 99% certain that this card will
be going back for a refund.

I tried to look up reviews of PC video cards, but all you can find
are reviews of how wonderful a particular card is with some game.
Next to useless if you don't want to play games ...

So, does anyone have any reccommendations for PC video cards for
use with Windows 2000 ?
--
Thanks
Armand
http://www.nikond1.net
http://www.nikond1.net
 
Phill,

I've been using the G550 for quite some time under windows 2000,
using a cusomt icc profile.

Under display properties -> settings -> Advaced -> Color
Management. Form there you add and set a profile as default.

Never had a problem with this, not sure why yours is different.

The only complaint I have is that on a Dual Monitor/G550 setup the
profile only works for your main display.
That is odd. Does yours also have the driver with a color management
interface with sliders and a graph for you to adjust ?

I get the impression that this is what is getting in the way of my assigning a profile, it is expecting on in the format it creates.

I can profile ith no problem with my old card, but the new one refuses to accept the profile, saying: An error occured: this is not a valid profile.

Its not just the one I created, it fails in the same way on the system provided profiles too.

Philip

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Hope this helps.
Boy, I'm really surprised at this.
So was I. The only profiling support is a toy which looks a lot
like the Adobe tool with RGB sliders and a tiny graph to adjust
transfer characteristics. It saves the results in the same
directory used by ICC profiles, but with their own extension.

I thought that Matrox would be the way to go. Oh well, I'm busy
packing it up to ship back now that i have the RMA number.
But you really can't beat the Matrox cards for 2D quality. Sharp,
and clear across the entire screen.

The G450 does work with profiling, and I think may be a bit cheaper
than the 550, so try that one. (I have a G400 32 max in one
computer, and a G450 in my newest, Win2k machine. Both cards are
quite calibrate-able!)

Ron
I know this iis a bit off the topic of Nikon SLRs, but it does have
something to do with the processing of the images.

I have a 2 year old Voodoo3 video card, which is now obsolete and
the company that manufactured it is out of business (aquired by
NVidea).

I wanted to replace it with a current card, and hopefully get a bit
better graphics performance at the same time (as well as processing
my D1X NEF images, I alsol use the machine for video (DV) editing).

I just bought a Matrox G550 video card, and installed it today. I
was non too pleased to find that after profiling the monitor, I
couldn't assign the .icc profile. in fact, I couldn't assign ANY
profile. A quick look at the Matrox support site showed that others
had the same problem. the reply from Matrox was that icc profiles
are only for high-end printers, and anyway, thats a Microsoft
thing, so go talk to them.

Hmmm ... well, the driver has to use the profile to set up its LUT
... so its not just a Microsoft thing ...

Anyway, I will call their tech support (no 800, number, long
distance to Canada only, and no e-mail support, just a support
bulletin board) on Monday, but I am 99% certain that this card will
be going back for a refund.

I tried to look up reviews of PC video cards, but all you can find
are reviews of how wonderful a particular card is with some game.
Next to useless if you don't want to play games ...

So, does anyone have any reccommendations for PC video cards for
use with Windows 2000 ?
--
Thanks
Armand
http://www.nikond1.net
http://www.nikond1.net
 
Well, the problem is solved.

Since I was getting nowhere with the Matox card, cand could not get any form of support from them, I decided to try an Nvidia card (Ti 44000).

This showed the same problem!

I did manage to get some help from their tech support (well, not Nvidia, they don't do tech support, but from the card manufacturer). The support engineer remembered one person with Win2K who had similar problems.

Turns out it was that something (the Matrox install script ?) had replaced the default plug and play monitor drivers with something wierd.

Removing those drivers and re-loading the plug and play monitor driver fixed the problem. This doesn't explain why things worked fine with my old 3dfx card, but then you never really understand why windows works the way it does.

So, if you ever have similar problems, fire up the device manager, and check that your monitor has plug and play drivers loaded (assuming it is a plug and play monitor).

Philip

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I know this iis a bit off the topic of Nikon SLRs, but it does have
something to do with the processing of the images.

I have a 2 year old Voodoo3 video card, which is now obsolete and
the company that manufactured it is out of business (aquired by
NVidea).

I wanted to replace it with a current card, and hopefully get a bit
better graphics performance at the same time (as well as processing
my D1X NEF images, I alsol use the machine for video (DV) editing).

I just bought a Matrox G550 video card, and installed it today. I
was non too pleased to find that after profiling the monitor, I
couldn't assign the .icc profile. in fact, I couldn't assign ANY
profile. A quick look at the Matrox support site showed that others
had the same problem. the reply from Matrox was that icc profiles
are only for high-end printers, and anyway, thats a Microsoft
thing, so go talk to them.

Hmmm ... well, the driver has to use the profile to set up its LUT
... so its not just a Microsoft thing ...

Anyway, I will call their tech support (no 800, number, long
distance to Canada only, and no e-mail support, just a support
bulletin board) on Monday, but I am 99% certain that this card will
be going back for a refund.

I tried to look up reviews of PC video cards, but all you can find
are reviews of how wonderful a particular card is with some game.
Next to useless if you don't want to play games ...

So, does anyone have any reccommendations for PC video cards for
use with Windows 2000 ?
 

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