Preliminary LX3 review with images...

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Hi everybody,

Some of you regulars might remember me from about a year ago when the initial rush of interest peaked with the TZ3...I must admit, since then there haven't been that many interesting compacts. But recently I had the chance to shoot with an LX3 against the GRDII, GX200 and DP1 (though sequentially, so there won't be any comparison photos), and I thought my initial impressions might be appreciated here.

I'll cut to the chase:

Image quality: I'm inclined to agree with Panasonic's claims - the LX3 does have the best image quality I've seen in a compact under identical given conditions (the Sigma DP1 suffers from bad chroma noise; the lens is two stops slower and it lacks IS, which means that net net, the LX3 will give you more pixels with roughly the same noise, a little less acuity and only slightly worse dynamic range). It has the best dynamic range of any compact I've used so far (except of course the DP1). I've also tested four samples; none exhibited the soft left side problem. The one I selected for my personal use (from a shop; it's actually better than the demo unit Panasonic lent our magazine) is sharp edge to edge, corner to corner, even from wide open. It's an astonishingly good lens.

Noise: No, it's not noise free. But venus IV doesn't make a mess of the files, either. I'm shooting raw, batch convert to 16 bit TIFF in silkypix with the only setting change being lowest contrast, then do my usual workflow via CS3. Noise reduction is set to off in the raw converter. I find 400 is pretty darn good, and 800 useable. Higher isn't much good (nor do you have to go higher with a lens and IS system that good). Background: I'm shooting a D3 normally, so my tolerance for noise is pretty low.

Metering and auto white balance are much improved from the previous Lumixes. I feel the AWB goes to a lower kelvin temperature - comes much closer to true white under tough tungsten situations. And the matrix metering option makes sensible choices.

Handling and build: build is fantastic as always. And the handling keeps getting better and better - I didn't like the change to a playback switch, but at least the fn button can be set to review. Better yet that auto review zooms into the AF point used to check focus - an inspired decision. Also love the way the joystick can be used to jump between images when zoomed in to check sharpness, like my Nikon DSLRs. The new LCD is nice but doesn't seem to have that many more pixels than the one on the TZ3. Still, no complaints here. I should also add that the weather of late here has been thoroughly lousy and wet - light dismally absent, and the LX3 actually survived a downpour this evening with seemingly no ill effects (though I wouldn't recommend this, as the camera doesn't have any sealing).

Battery life - Long. I'm only on my first full charge, and the battery is still showing full after several hundred raw files. The first time I got the camera, the indicator showed me 1/3; I took 170 shots, and it still showed me 1/3. I guess the spare battery I got was kinda pointless.

Video - I've used it once to test it out, but I was seriously impressed. Very smooth and sharp, even though you can't zoom or focus once started.

But you know what the best thing about the LX3 is? I think it's the fact that it can write raw files and not choke - you can keep shooting and the camera won't lock up between shots. I'm using a Sandisk 4GB Ducati class 6 SDHC, and I can keep hitting the shutter button without it locking up. I got to 20 shots and gave up trying to make it choke. Finally - a compact where raw is useable! Now if only Adobe would hurry up and support the LX3, silkypix is painfully slow and unfriendly...

Overall: two thumbs up. I really, really like this camera. More so than the TZ3, which has now been retired to my brother in law.

Anyway, enough words. Time for some pictures. I won't be posting any full size images, but I think the following should suffice. If the basic image quality isn't there, they won't stand up to the kind of post processing I do - typically single frame HDR off a 14 bit D3 raw file, pushed to around 13 stops of dynamic range. :)

Hope somebody found this useful!

Cheers
Ming

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More to come on my flickr page as I continue to shoot...

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while your, much appreciated, efforts are a real boon to the proponents of RAW, which basically removes VenusIV from most of the equation...
What about a similar review in JPG for the less RAW inclined?

Is there any hope this cam can not be a total waste for the JPG crowd?? Can VenusIV in concert with such a fast, sharp lens & more than reliable OIS deliver the goods within an acceptable result even if it may not be as excellent as your work-flow results, which for the most part, is quite a bit more extensive than most???

Regardless, thanks... I enjoy reading & seeing your informal reviews of cams I'm interested in, even though our work-flows are about as dissimilar as can be....
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I saw your photos earlier on flickr, but none of them was full size...its hard to evaluate the lens with the small samples...Why did you have to test four samples of the camera?thanks
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Ming,

I certainly appreciate both your time and your desire to help us out with this review. What I cannot understand is your "I won't be posting any full size images" bit: if the whole point of the review is helping us out to determine the quality of camera, what´s the point in giving us such small pics?? I see some pretty rough noise on the sky, for example, but since the resolution you gave is barely half my monitor's resolution, I simply cannot evaluate how bad is it.

If you want show your photographic skills, you can create as many posts as you wish for that purpose, but if you´re genuinely trying to help (I don´t doubt that) we would be doing FAR better with any other bigger picture that you consider pertinent.

I hope you understand. Thank you.
 
I was excited about it because of that f/2 lens...now I'm even more excited because I see what it can produce.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Looking forward to more of your images with it.
Isabel
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These images look quite nice.

In reference to the comments about posting full-size images, it might be nice to see a few of the daylight shots to evaluate the sharpness of the images, especially in the corners. There have been some other posts about lack of sharpness across the entire image (on the left side), and maybe some of the images you have taken would help us evaluate the validity of those claims.

Thanks again!

Brian

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Ming, thank you for posting your review on this forum. Lovely photos here and on your site. I hope to see more, perhaps some closer shots? Sorry to add yet another request, but you seem to have a good copy and great skill.
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Vickie
 
I see some pretty rough noise on
the sky, for example, but since the resolution you gave is barely
half my monitor's resolution, I simply cannot evaluate how bad is it.
I don't think that's noise in the night sky, Andario, those are rain drops.

David
 
I see some pretty rough noise on
the sky, for example, but since the resolution you gave is barely
half my monitor's resolution, I simply cannot evaluate how bad is it.
I don't think that's noise in the night sky, Andario, those are rain
drops.

David
Hey David,

The apparent noise in the sky, as you said, may be partly due to the rain. But if you look at the guy´s face (and he´s under the umbrella), you can clearly some of that noise (noise that, IMO, doesn´t look too well either). But that was the whole point of my post: since the picture is too small, we have to play games to identify whether it is rain or noise: a perfect example of unnecessary confusion due to a small size.

Cheers
 
Thanks for taking the time to put this review together. The LX3 has had quite a bashing on thiese forums, which might put some people off. The low res flickr compressed samples can't hide the fact that the LX3 can take some gorgeous photographs. I would say that though as I bought one last week!!

I wanted a camera that I could have fun with using a lot of manual functions but could also give to my wife and say "there you go stick it on auto and fire away". I almost bought an LX2 when they first came out but the noise issue was, well a bit of an issue :-) So I was quite intrigued when the LX3 was announced and started looking at the competition.

I looked at the Canon G9 but it is just toooo ugly. I know it is a very good camera as I spent about an hour and a half in my local dealer hassling the poor salesman but it reminds me of some sort of bad camera from the 80's.(That is only my opinion and I'm sure lots of people like the ugly duckling on an asthetical level)

That left me looking at the wonderful Ricoh cameras I had alook at the GX100 and one of the Caplio's I can't remember which one and they were really nice to use, but when I tried the video function it was lower quality than my mobile phone, jumpy pixelated and really wierd colours, haveing two small children means having a semi decent video option on your camera is a must.

The DP1 looked like a good idea but i wasn't sure whether a compact body was big enough to be able to run all the proccessing power that a "proper" size sensor would need, it was out of my justifyable price range anyway.

So I bought the LX3 with the lovely bright lens and better sensor/image engine and HD video and I LOVE IT!!! Other cameras that I tried do some things better but the LX3 as an overall package in my opinion is one of the best around.

If you buy one I hope you have as much enjoyment as I've had in the past week discovering how much it can do.

Dave

 
The Sigma DP-1 is a flawed camera, but has pretty good DR.

I would be amazed if the LX-3 could get near that.

Also, whilst I wont be getting the sigma, have to say. That for certain types of shooting, its clearly not intended (low light, street stuff etc), but for serious landscape work, slow lens and all (this wont matter to shooters who dont do low light, or tripod the camera), the IQ is really rather excellent, tones and colours on the foveon are very good indeed.

Both are very different cameras, but its possibly unwise to compare them in the IQ dept. Foveon is weak for high ISO, but low ISO..its in a different league to the panansonic.

From looking at the images so far, nothing suggests anything special DR wise from the lx-3. Not to say its not a good camera, and worthy of consideration.
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....I highly recommend going back over the review and threads he posted on other cameras. Ming has posted a lot of great information and people who have been around on the forum for a while respect his opinion based on his previous postings and these tests.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=22766822

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=23384744

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1033&message=24543952&q=tz3+ming&qf=m

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Thanks for posting your opinion which is always highly regarded. I can only agree with Terry in what she wrote.

Very nice set of images, despite the rain.

Two questions:

The LX2 had a problem with pattern noise in the deep shadows, which made it hard to push them. Is the LX3 free from this problem? I suppose so since you mention the good DR.

Have you tested the OIS? I have the impression that it has been less efficient on the wide angle designs than on the superzooms. f/2 might also make it a harder problem for the engineers.

Edit:
Oh, one more. :-) Have you tested if the 24mm in 3:2 mode is as wide as
a 24mm lens on your D3?

Just my two oere
Erik from Sweden
 
To me, if you're going to pay this much for a compact and not use JPEG, it's a waste. FWIW, a D40 with kit lens here is cheaper than the LX3, and is argueably a better buy for most people.

Subjectively though, I don't see that much difference in JPEG vs RAW - much as others like Lawrence Ripsher have found - but this could be because I'm not very experienced with Silkypix (far too confusing and limited compared to ACR.). However, the main thing I do notice is an improvement in DR - by perhaps a stop or so in the highlights, and of course more flexible NR options - but I don't think you're going to get that much extra detail. I too was surprised by this result.

However, the unsharpened LX3 RAW files converted to TIFF straight out of silkypix with no additional sharpening take heavy smart sharpen USM in photoshop very well.

As for the quality of the jpegs themselves - no complaints here - and tellingly, I don't see the usual red-bleeding associated with Venus II and III.

Ming
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Largely because I could. We were supplied one to review for the magazine, I played with one at the launch, and then there were two available when I purchased mine. No reason not to pick the best of the bunch if you've got a choice...also, more reliable when you're passing opinion in print!
I saw your photos earlier on flickr, but none of them was full
size...its hard to evaluate the lens with the small samples...Why did
you have to test four samples of the camera?thanks
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