ZD 7-14 vs 12-60

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I have recently done a comparizon test to see how my ZD 12-60 performs against my ZD 7-14 at 12mm and 14mm focal length and a strange thing came up , in the same scene the ZD 12-60 was covering more area on both sides of the photo than ZD 7-14 (same thing happens at 12mm & 14mm).

Is that normal ?

Olympus E-3,ZD 7-14,ZD 12-60,ZD 18-180,Leica 25,SIGMA 50-500.
 
The 7-14 is WAY more wide at 7mm than the 12-60 is at 12mm!

Having tried the 12-60 for a couple of days now, and having used a 7-14 for around 13 months back in 2006 and 2007, I'd bet the 12-60 at 12 and 14mm displays quite a bit more distortion than the 7-14 does at 12 and 14mm. While the markings for the two focal lengths is the same on both lenses, the amount of correction is much different and I would bet contributes in some part to the differences in what you are seeing.
 
I have recently done a comparizon test to see how my ZD 12-60
performs against my ZD 7-14 at 12mm and 14mm focal length and a
strange thing came up , in the same scene the ZD 12-60 was covering
more area on both sides of the photo than ZD 7-14 (same thing happens
at 12mm & 14mm).
I think these comparisons like that are done by people with way too much money and time on their hands. The lenses are soooo different. If you have only one DSLR body, you either have the 12-60 on for general use or have switched to the 7-14 to get the 7-11 that the 12-60 does not have. If you have the 7-14 mounted and you hit a case when you need to shoot at 13mm, well I would just shoot instead of pausing to flip the bag open, open the camera throat to dust and moisture, juggle two expensive lenses in my hand whilst the rest of the gang around me go dum te dum.....

Not to say one should not ask, but the significance and impact? Shrug.

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The 7-14 is WAY more wide at 7mm than the 12-60 is at 12mm!
I Know that.
Having tried the 12-60 for a couple of days now, and having used a
7-14 for around 13 months back in 2006 and 2007, I'd bet the 12-60 at
12 and 14mm displays quite a bit more distortion than the 7-14 does
at 12 and 14mm. While the markings for the two focal lengths is the
same on both lenses, the amount of correction is much different and I
would bet contributes in some part to the differences in what you are
seeing.
The distortion of ZD 12-60 at 12mm(more) and 14mm(less) against ZD 7-14 at the same focal length is a fact and also obvious in my test (the first thing cross my mind is the geometrical correction of 7-14) but I think not justify the wider area covers my 12-60 at 12mm and 14mm against 7-14 at the same focal length.

Anybody with both lenses can take a photo at 12mm or 14mm please?
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Olympus E-3,ZD 7-14,ZD 12-60,ZD 18-180,Leica 25,SIGMA 50-500.
 
Gidday Kbouk
I have recently done a comparizon test to see how my ZD 12-60
performs against my ZD 7-14 at 12mm and 14mm focal length and a
strange thing came up , in the same scene the ZD 12-60 was covering
more area on both sides of the photo than ZD 7-14 (same thing happens
at 12mm & 14mm).

Is that normal ?
I suspect that even the slightest movement of the camera at this focal length is going to give you differing results.

Perhaps this is a test that is rather more difficult to do than it appears?

I suggest that one would really need to shoot a target with the camera on a solid tripod, after measuring from the film plane to the target centre with a steel tape measure (preferably with two people ... ). Change the lens; then re-measure the film plane to target centre distance again; then take the second image.

Ideally, one should do this about ten times, alternating between the lenses, then average the results ...

Like I said - maybe it is a bit more tricky than it appears, specially when comparing such wide angle lenses.

Any thoughts, anyone?

Regards, john from Melbourne, Australia.
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I have recently done a comparizon test to see how my ZD 12-60
performs against my ZD 7-14 at 12mm and 14mm focal length and a
strange thing came up , in the same scene the ZD 12-60 was covering
more area on both sides of the photo than ZD 7-14 (same thing happens
at 12mm & 14mm).

Is that normal ?
What focus distance was involved?

Internal focus lenses do strange things with the focal length when focused closer than infinity. Best to do this comparison test at infinity focus.

Regards......... Guy
 
What focus distance was involved?
Internal focus lenses do strange things with the focal length when
focused closer than infinity. Best to do this comparison test at
infinity focus.

Regards......... Guy
The test was perform at infinity focus without tripod , daylight at Majorca on my vacations, the target was the forest from the balcony terrace (300m away), exif checked for same focal length (12mm & 14mm), aperture priority,

the test made for different reason (I wanted to check exposure and colour differences) and the result was¨too obvious to ignore because a bed inside the scene at 3-4 meters from my camera (E3) and also the balcony rails had a lot more space with 12-60 , about 30-40cm from top to bottom at left side of the photo and 10-15cm at right side.

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Olympus E-3,ZD 7-14,ZD 12-60,ZD 18-180,Leica 25,SIGMA 50-500.
 
The opposite is true when comparing the 11-22m and 14-54mm. The 11-22 at 14mm is wider than the 14-54 at 14mm. Different lenses just perform differently.
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I have recently done a comparizon test to see how my ZD 12-60
performs against my ZD 7-14 at 12mm and 14mm focal length and a
strange thing came up , in the same scene the ZD 12-60 was covering
more area on both sides of the photo than ZD 7-14 (same thing happens
at 12mm & 14mm).
Back to your "test" photos. When you compared them, you say the 12-60 was covering more horizontal.

What about vertical, was the vertical the same?

-Garth
 
I have recently done a comparizon test to see how my ZD 12-60
performs against my ZD 7-14 at 12mm and 14mm focal length and a
strange thing came up , in the same scene the ZD 12-60 was covering
more area on both sides of the photo than ZD 7-14 (same thing happens
at 12mm & 14mm).

Is that normal ?
Pretty much so, yes. Firstly, you should use the same focus distance when comparing the lenses since focus distance can affect the focal length on a zoom lens. Secondly, the lens groups move in a complex set of relationships when the lens is zoomed. While the focal lengths marked on the zoom ring of the lens are approximately linear since we humans like to visualize things that way, the actual focal lengths achieved by a linear movement of the zoom ring are not linear. The result is that the focal lengths marked on the zoom ring of the lens are totally accurate only at the shortest and longest positions and are only approximations at the intermediate positions.

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Good Shooting,

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Could the difference be explained by the 12-60mm being set to 13.6mm and the 7-14 actually being set to 14.4?

Rounding to the nearest mm will not make much difference at longer focal lengths but at very short ones it could be noticeable.
 
I have recently done a comparizon test to see how my ZD 12-60
performs against my ZD 7-14 at 12mm and 14mm focal length and a
strange thing came up , in the same scene the ZD 12-60 was covering
more area on both sides of the photo than ZD 7-14 (same thing happens
at 12mm & 14mm).
The lenses are what they are. Each is its own creation and whether 12mm on one lens is identical to 12mm on the other is largely irrelevant.

Let's assume that what you say is true--the 12-60mm is wider @ 12mm than the 7-14mm appears to be (BTW, I have no reason to doubt you). That appears to bother you, so what is your next step? Nothing, I suspect. That makes the comparison largely irrelevant, as I suggested. If you choose to return one of the two lenses for being "defective" based upon your test, then either way you deprive yourself of one of the finest optics in it's class.

So, really, what is the point of the comparison? I would say it's a curious piece of information and nothing more. Use the lenses for what they are and have no worries about lens barrel markings or comparative EXIF's.

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Jim Pilcher
Colorado, USA

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I don't own the 12-60 but I do own the 7-14, and because the zoom ring has so much travel for such a short change in focal lengths, I decided to see how much play there was in each mm of focus. The answer: a lot. This is especially true of the widest focal lengths (which makes sense as soon as you look at the zoom ring...it's a huge distance between 7mm and 8mmm), but it still holds for the lengths you are talking about. For example, the zoom point at which the camera starts stamping "12mm" on the EXIF begins just before the 12mm mark on the lens, and ends somewhat after. In reality, I assume that the exact focal lengths run between 11.5 and 12.4 mm. Because these are still relatively wide fields of view we are dealing with, that distance is significant - almost 10% different, in fact! I think this alone could very well explain what you're seeing between the two lenses.
 
I will try to verify this on my lenses tommorow if I have the time.
I don't own the 12-60 but I do own the 7-14, and because the zoom
ring has so much travel for such a short change in focal lengths, I
decided to see how much play there was in each mm of focus. The
answer: a lot. This is especially true of the widest focal lengths
(which makes sense as soon as you look at the zoom ring...it's a huge
distance between 7mm and 8mmm), but it still holds for the lengths
you are talking about. For example, the zoom point at which the
camera starts stamping "12mm" on the EXIF begins just before the 12mm
mark on the lens, and ends somewhat after. In reality, I assume that
the exact focal lengths run between 11.5 and 12.4 mm. Because these
are still relatively wide fields of view we are dealing with, that
distance is significant - almost 10% different, in fact! I think this
alone could very well explain what you're seeing between the two
lenses.
The test was made for different reasons as already said , and because the 7-14 lens is the ultimate wide lens of 4/3 (it costs also 1.8X the 12-60) if the test result was reverse, nothing odd happened because we all know that 12-60 is geometrically worst at 12mm and 14mm from 7-14, but when I saw the strange result my mind goes immediatelly to defective 7-14 lens (it's on quarantee yet) , also I can't compare it further with something wider (focal lengths 7mm to 11mm).

I remember a 11-22 lens test a year ago that proves is wider than 11mm , maybe something similar goes for 12-60.
If someone has the two lenses and the time to perform similar test , let me Know

Thank you all for your suggestions

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Olympus E-3,ZD 7-14,ZD 12-60,ZD 18-180,Leica 25,SIGMA 50-500.
 

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