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Nikon's response on banding on d700

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marklien said:
Yamil,

I hate to correct you, but here you go.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/atempest/2741511359/
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Can I see a full files> > A RAW File would be better!! I can't see much out of this image.
marklien said:
D200 with banding visible on the top left hand corner. When I sent
the camera back to Nikon, they actually had to replace the entire
Sensor.
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I just got a new sensor and shutter for my D3, but was this because of this issue?? Did they tell you??
marklien said:
Do you want me to send you the repair paperwork to further
prove this?
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I have paperwork about my own D3 Sensor and Shutter!!

Did Nikon say "we replaced your sensor because all D200's have banding"??

Or just Replaced Sensor Unit??
marklien said:
I hate to argue with you, but I think this picture proves
the point that correct exposures will NOT fix this issue.
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I can't see much in this picture!! Honestly, please send me the RAW File!!
marklien said:
I have many
more example of this. Again, Nikon wouldn't spend the money replacing
the sensor if they didn't discover this issue on my camera.
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They Replaced my Sensor, Shutter and other parts, And i sent my D3 because it had something on the sensor I couldn't take out!!
marklien said:
And no, I did not draw a line there with Photoshop or other photo
editing tool.
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I didn't draw anything either when I sent my De with 1900 actuations to get looked at either. They "DO" work hard to make the end user happy!!

They could have told you that it was user Problems and sent it back with a vague description and nothing actually done on your camera!! Did the new sensor fix the problem?? All I could guess is a bad batch of sensors or Controller boards!!
 
Yamil R. Sued said:
Guess what?? It works as specified, the problem is with the Photo
Geeks that go out of their way to push it to extremes like shooting
at ISO 2500+, shooting at a Lightbulb at night, Underexposed and
expecting it to perform like it was daylight at ISO 100!!
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I don't know what i would call them, but it's not photo geeks.

The fact
Yamil R. Sued50621 said:
htey don't know what they're doing means nothing to them, they know
some theory, they just don't know how to apply it in the real world!!
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Photography may not be their goal either. How about FUD?

--
Chris, Broussard, LA
 
Yamil R. Sued said:
They could have told you that it was user Problems and sent it back
with a vague description and nothing actually done on your camera!!
Did the new sensor fix the problem?? All I could guess is a bad
batch of sensors or Controller boards!!
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May I direct you to:

http://support.nikontech.com/cgi-bin/nikonusa.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=13872

from halfway through question 2
--
Brian
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You could have let the Poster I was responding to respond to my question.

I'll read the article, as it never affected me, i never saw it!!
xrdbear said:
Yamil R. Sued said:
They could have told you that it was user Problems and sent it back
with a vague description and nothing actually done on your camera!!
Did the new sensor fix the problem?? All I could guess is a bad
batch of sensors or Controller boards!!
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May I direct you to:

http://support.nikontech.com/cgi-bin/nikonusa.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=13872

from halfway through question 2
--
Brian
Fine Art Print sales of the Isle of Skye at:
http://www.eyeofskye.co.uk/
Pbase gallery Pictures from Isle of Skye
http://www.pbase.com/xrdbear
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what I thought....

"The digital imaging artifact commonly known as banding can, in specific and unusual conditions, such as extreme exposure and/or exposure compensation settings and high contrast scenes, become visible.

Nikon has discovered that a limited number of early-production D200 cameras may, in specific and uncommon shooting conditions, record images that can present an excessive pattern of fine pitch lines throughout (long banding)."

Funny, they say "specific and uncommon shooting conditions"

This is what I've been saying about those who go out of their way to Recreate a problem that would not commonly affect them in the normal use of their cameras!'

They are shooting Bare Lights, at night at ISO's of 2500+ and expecting their cameras to behave like they shot a landscape in the daytime at ISO 100!! NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! This same thing will happen with any camera , it's called "BLOOMING"!! Trust me!! I can probably make it happen with any body you give me!!
 
Yamil R. Sued said:
what I thought....

"The digital imaging artifact commonly known as banding can, in
specific and unusual conditions, such as extreme exposure and/or
exposure compensation settings and high contrast scenes, become
visible.

Nikon has discovered that a limited number of early-production D200
cameras may, in specific and uncommon shooting conditions, record
images that can present an excessive pattern of fine pitch lines
throughout (long banding)."

Funny, they say "specific and uncommon shooting conditions"

This is what I've been saying about those who go out of their way to
Recreate a problem that would not commonly affect them in the normal
use of their cameras!'

They are shooting Bare Lights, at night at ISO's of 2500+ and
expecting their cameras to behave like they shot a landscape in the
daytime at ISO 100!! NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! This same thing will
happen with any camera , it's called "BLOOMING"!! Trust me!! I can
probably make it happen with any body you give me!!
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I don't disagree with you as far as the D3/D700 issue is concerned but I was commenting on the old D200 situation to which this note refers. The long banding effect, which was quite different to the short banding (which involved shooting light bulbs) was present on perfectly ordinary well exposed shots, of which there were many examples posted, and which were of high contrast but which did not (NOT) include blown areas. The problem principally affected early adopters, Nikon admitted it and fixed it for free. That was the only point I was making. You tarred all the complainers with the same brush and I think that was unfair.
--
Brian
Fine Art Print sales of the Isle of Skye at:
http://www.eyeofskye.co.uk/
Pbase gallery Pictures from Isle of Skye
http://www.pbase.com/xrdbear
 
bikinchris said:
Yamil R. Sued said:
Guess what?? It works as specified, the problem is with the Photo
Geeks that go out of their way to push it to extremes like shooting
at ISO 2500+, shooting at a Lightbulb at night, Underexposed and
expecting it to perform like it was daylight at ISO 100!!
Click to expand...
I don't know what i would call them, but it's not photo geeks.

The fact
bikinchris said:
htey don't know what they're doing means nothing to them, they know
some theory, they just don't know how to apply it in the real world!!
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Photography may not be their goal either. How about FUD?
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FUD???
 
GaborSch said:
Yamil R. Sued said:
Guess what?? It works as specified, the problem is with the Photo
Geeks that go out of their way to push it to extremes like shooting
at ISO 2500+
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I agree with you. Shooting at ISO 3200 is extreme if the camera spec
is for up to 25600.
GaborSch said:
You're joking right???
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Yes, you seem to be.
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You seem to be expecting miracles out of a camera!!

That is no joke!!

My question stands, did you ever shoot Tri-X at 1600 processed in HC-110??

How about Kodachrome 25??

How about Ektachrome 400 Pushed to 1600??

That will asnswer my question about your expectations about this any any Digital camera??
 
xrdbear said:
Yamil R. Sued said:
what I thought....

"The digital imaging artifact commonly known as banding can, in
specific and unusual conditions, such as extreme exposure and/or
exposure compensation settings and high contrast scenes, become
visible.

Nikon has discovered that a limited number of early-production D200
cameras may, in specific and uncommon shooting conditions, record
images that can present an excessive pattern of fine pitch lines
throughout (long banding)."

Funny, they say "specific and uncommon shooting conditions"

This is what I've been saying about those who go out of their way to
Recreate a problem that would not commonly affect them in the normal
use of their cameras!'

They are shooting Bare Lights, at night at ISO's of 2500+ and
expecting their cameras to behave like they shot a landscape in the
daytime at ISO 100!! NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!! This same thing will
happen with any camera , it's called "BLOOMING"!! Trust me!! I can
probably make it happen with any body you give me!!
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I don't disagree with you as far as the D3/D700 issue is concerned
but I was commenting on the old D200 situation to which this note
refers. The long banding effect, which was quite different to the
short banding (which involved shooting light bulbs) was present on
perfectly ordinary well exposed shots, of which there were many
examples posted, and which were of high contrast but which did not
(NOT) include blown areas. The problem principally affected early
adopters, Nikon admitted it and fixed it for free. That was the only
point I was making. You tarred all the complainers with the same
brush and I think that was unfair.
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Maybe because i never saw the D200 issue! that biased my experiences with it. Mine worked!! And Nikon Fixed it! Now the Photo Geeks are trying to make an issue where there is none!! The D700 is working fine!! The Geeks, that know very little about photography but can read the net and post nonsense are making a huge issue!! BTW, I be most of the moaners, don't even own a D700!!
 
Fear
Uncertainty
Doubt

Part of viral marketing effort. You post items that make people think the (camera in this case) has a problem in the hopes of steering them to another cometeing product.
Yamil R. Sued said:
bikinchris said:
Yamil R. Sued said:
Guess what?? It works as specified, the problem is with the Photo
Geeks that go out of their way to push it to extremes like shooting
at ISO 2500+, shooting at a Lightbulb at night, Underexposed and
expecting it to perform like it was daylight at ISO 100!!
Click to expand...
I don't know what i would call them, but it's not photo geeks.

The fact
Yamil R. Sued50621 said:
htey don't know what they're doing means nothing to them, they know
some theory, they just don't know how to apply it in the real world!!
Click to expand...
Photography may not be their goal either. How about FUD?
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FUD???
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--
Chris, Broussard, LA
 
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