J.D. Power & Associates... oh come on!!!

http://www.jdpower.com/electronics/ratings/digital-camera-ratings/dslr

Do you realize what that means???

Who did they ask about Pentax??? Let me see... if they asked people who bought a Pentax, most of them I know, are happier than they would be with any other brand.
I really think that all that is made up.

I know that for example in Performance, they are not quite the leaders... but the truth is that Pentax cannot get those ratings. Not if they ask to people who actually bought those products, and use them.

Alan.

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Progress is not possible without deviation from the norm - Frank Zappa

Those kinds of "reports" are requested by specific manufacturers, usually. The way the questions are asked, the kinds of qquestions, the population samples, the way results are processed ("we will discard any non profesionnal", "we will consider the answers from compact-owning single mothers", and such).

Kodak getting higher ratings than Nikon, Canon, or Panasonic in the compact market? Really?

then again, that firm does not present the best cameras in each class, according to criteria as objective as possible. They present the brands that the responders like the most. That's a completely different, and subjective, thing.

Let's forget about it and go take pictures.

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Québec city, Canada

Someone took the time to post images. Why not take the time to comment?

Pentaxian in the making
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Forget about it and go out to take pictures, because I'm still without my camera!!! 3 more weeks :'(
Damn... wish I had a second body... snifff
Alan.
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Progress is not possible without deviation from the norm - Frank Zappa

Isn't it obvious that Pentaxians are more critical of their beloved gear?

Canon/Nikon owners? They defend their chosen brand and fiercely attack others...

Ask a Pentaxian and there isn't a single thing that Pentax does right...

I think that Pentaxians are critical, because we want Pentax to make it even better. That's why we are all the time asking for different things, but actually most of us would choose pentax against any other brand.
Alan.
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alanschamber said:

I think that Pentaxians are critical, because we want Pentax to make
it even better. That's why we are all the time asking for different
things, but actually most of us would choose pentax against any other
brand.

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Unfortunately the negative press has already done the damage.

If you want your kid to grow up smart and clever do you criticise everything he does?
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When I can realise a vision I'll be an artist.
When I get paid I'll be a professional.

Is that the range in numerical scores from top to bottom is narrow. It was something like 790 to 820 something. It is insignificant or close to it.

.......and I mean it. Thanks for posting so I could say that.

Whats even funnier is the article on here saying that the most sought after feature for dSLR is weather proofing. Only one manufacturer offers this on all current models

I know someone who recently bought a Pentax because of weather sealing alone.

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alanschamber said:

http://www.jdpower.com/electronics/ratings/digital-camera-ratings/dslr

Do you realize what that means???
Who did they ask about Pentax??? Let me see... if they asked people
who bought a Pentax, most of them I know, are happier than they would
be with any other brand.

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So, your "survey" is more scientific than that of J.D. Power's? Have you surveyed Canon, Nikon and Sony users? If not, then how do you know that Pentax users are happier than users of other cameras about their cameras?

alanschamber said:

I really think that all that is made up.

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Why? Have you done surveys that show Canon and Nikon users are less satisfied with their cameras than Pentax users? If not, then on what basis did you say they made it up? They have a survey. You have a hunch. Which is more reliable?

alanschamber said:

I know that for example in Performance, they are not quite the
leaders... but the truth is that Pentax cannot get those ratings. Not
if they ask to people who actually bought those products, and use
them.

Alan.

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You do admit that there are some areas that Pentax is not going to satisfy its users. Then you know the reason why Pentax cameras do not get as high marks. BTW, Canon users love their camera's image quality, and Nikon users love the styling of their cameras. That is pretty good indication that these surveys are good indicators of the strengths of each camera brand.

The difference between all the brands listed is so small, less than 4%, that it couldn't matter much. If you notice Pentax and Sony get 2 stars almost all the way across while the top 2 get 4 and 5 stars on almost all categories and for the final count is that close is ridiculous. JD Powers is basically saying 82% rating is 5 stars, 80% don't bother not worth it. ( actually they write the rest )

Not to 1000 people, but lots of photographers. And actually... call me smarta** or whatever you like, but my findings are that people who choose Canon, is because someone who know more than them, told them that they have actually better IQ. They didn't even try to use a Nikon or a Pentax, and never think of an Oly!!!

People who use Nikon... use Nikon and they considered Canon, but went to Nikon because of things that most never use (like flash connector, or spot metering, because Canon didn't have that in the lowest model). Oly users went that way because of small lenses and because of Oly colors. Sony... they went because its a Sony,that's all. And... in my experience with people who shoot with a Pentax, they have studied all the market looking for the very best for them, and they've considered all brands, so they know what the other brand or camera model has... and why he picked up the Pentax instead. And... saying that I know a lot of photographers (almost 200... not kidding, since I know people from AFPRA, which is the professional's photographer assosation of Argentina, and ARGRA which is the graphic reporters one) I can say that in my own experience, people don't even handle a camera before deciding, and don't even look for images, or don't even know how the menus or viewfinder will be like...

Some guys that study photojournalism with me, make fun of me because I shoot Pentax... but they do realize that if they were not that heavily invested in Nikon or Canon... they would move to Pentax. And actually... I've converted 4 guys already.

Alan.
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Progress is not possible without deviation from the norm - Frank Zappa

alanschamber said:

http://www.jdpower.com/electronics/ratings/digital-camera-ratings/dslr

Do you realize what that means???
Who did they ask about Pentax??? Let me see... if they asked people
who bought a Pentax, most of them I know, are happier than they would
be with any other brand.
I really think that all that is made up.
I know that for example in Performance, they are not quite the
leaders... but the truth is that Pentax cannot get those ratings. Not
if they ask to people who actually bought those products, and use
them.

Alan.

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This line was particularly funny because not even Canon's pro bodies (sieves that they are) can boast weatherproofing let alone waterproofing!

"-and DSLR owners desire waterproofing (63%)."

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'I cried because I had no E-3. Then I met a man with no E-510'

Olympus E-410, E-330, Nikon D100 & Pentax K20D.
40 lenses of various types

"Surveys" that don't detail their methodology and don't reveal their error bars are pretty much worthless.

How were the respondents selected? How were they qualified? Exactly what questions were they asked? How is the raw data analyzed? What is the range of error? How statistically significant are the ratings?

Send them an e-mail, I just did. Won't do any good but makes you feel better.
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Jonathan Demarais said:

This line was particularly funny because not even Canon's pro bodies
(sieves that they are) can boast weatherproofing let alone
waterproofing!

"-and DSLR owners desire waterproofing (63%)."

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I might be wrong but I think the 1D series are weather sealed.

alanschamber said:

http://www.jdpower.com/electronics/ratings/digital-camera-ratings/dslr

Do you realize what that means???
Who did they ask about Pentax??? Let me see... if they asked people
who bought a Pentax, most of them I know, are happier than they would
be with any other brand.
I really think that all that is made up.
I know that for example in Performance, they are not quite the
leaders... but the truth is that Pentax cannot get those ratings. Not
if they ask to people who actually bought those products, and use
them.

Alan.

--
Progress is not possible without deviation from the norm - Frank Zappa

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Well the real suspicious thing is that we know nothing of the statistic sample.

If they asked 1000 randomly chosen people who say they have a DSLR, then the results are normal because chances are that the majority of them had a Canon.

If they asked 1000 people who say they have a DSLR of a given brand (that would be 5000 people.... but they are supposed to be verified owners) then did they have any other criteria (what was the mix between *istD series, K100, K10/K20)? I would indeed think that someone having a 1DsMkIII would rate the IQ of his $8000 camera higher than someone having a K100...

Meaningless statistics made to reflect market shares is what it's all about....

Differences in overall notations are so small that I would conclude from their studies that owners of a given brand are equally happy with their choice... plus some random variations coming from inadequate sampling (different product mixes from each brand).

Insignificant results but probably very highly regarded by stockbrokers...

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=28863078
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alanschamber said:

Do you realize what that means???
Who did they ask about Pentax??? Let me see... if they asked people
who bought a Pentax, most of them I know, are happier than they would
be with any other brand.
I really think that all that is made up.
I know that for example in Performance, they are not quite the
leaders... but the truth is that Pentax cannot get those ratings. Not
if they ask to people who actually bought those products, and use
them.

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Take a look at the JD Power FAQ

http://www.jdpower.com/faqs

The Power Circle ratings are a measure of consumers ratings for a particular product against the average across the segment. A pretty crude tool, but at least the methodology seems consistent.

I think the main weakness is that details of index rating methodology is not available, so they are of little use for individual purchasers. But for retailers this kind of broad brush information would be quite useful.

Mike