Long, Fast, Hand-Holdable Lens for 40D?

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I'd like a tacksharp lens longer than my 70-200mm f/4L IS to go with my 40D. I'm finding that, when I go on trails in the woods around lakes, etc., that I capture images at 200mm that I have to crop heavily in PP to get a decent framing. So, I suspect that 300mm or longer is called for. Also, most wildlife seems to come out and play close to sunset when the light is very low. I don't like to use flash, since it provides unnatural light and may startle the animal. So, I suppose f/2.8 max or better is called for. I also want the lens to be hand-holdable, since I can react much quicker to birds flying, or getting that beaver or snake before it beats a hasty retreat. So, I assume anything that is both f/2.8 and longer than 300mm would be too heavy. With these criteria in mind, I'm leaning toward the EF 300mm f/2.8 IS lens. But, that is a heck of a bite (pricewise). Also, of note, the 300 f/2.8 has been around for a long time and has only 2 stops of IS. The nagging thing about this is that I'd hate to pay $4000 for the lens only to discover Canon released an update to this lens with a later series IS--which is important for hand-held shots of near-motionless subjects. My priorities are as follows:

1. Focal Length 300mm or longer (required).
2. IQ / sharpness throughout open to shut, center to border (required).
3. Low-light performance (required).
4. Hand-holdability (Highly Preferred).

Since the price of the 300 f/2.8 is so high, I felt like I needed to throw this out there to the 40D community for advice and/or recommendations before I pull the trigger. Comments?

-Tacksharp
 
Most of my recent wildlife work is under a forest canopy. I have both the 100-400 and 400/4.5. The 400 often requires the use of fill flash with a Better Beamer fresnel lens attachment - and a tripod (just a tad of fill, so it doesn't show shadows). I could get away with the 100-400 w/o a flash, for the IS - but the IQ isn't quite up to the 400 (still, it's quite acceptable).

I'd surely love the 300mm 2.8 IS, but that's out of my reach. Even with a 1.4tc, I hear it's one of the best. But 300mm isn't as useful as one might imagine.

You're looking at the big-buck lenses, for any real satisfaction.

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...Bob, NYC

'Well, sometimes the magic works. Sometimes, it doesn't.' - Little Big Man

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1. Focal Length 300mm or longer (required).
2. IQ / sharpness throughout open to shut, center to border (required).
3. Low-light performance (required).
4. Hand-hold ability (Highly Preferred).
Pick any two!

How about the 100-400 mm L IS?

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Bob

'There are always two people in every picture: the photographer and the viewer.' - Ansel Adams

Canon 40D, 70-200mm f4L IS, 28-135mm IS, Sigma 17-70mm f2.8 Macro, 100-400 mm f4.5L IS
Sony R1
Canon Pro1

 
Thanks, Bob and Bob for your recommendations to consider the 100-400. That is a very good lens; light weight (relatively), excellent FL range (nice versatility vs. a fixed FL), and good price. However, I'd probably be spending most of my time at or above 300mm. This would peg the ap at f/5.6 where the sharpness is still good, but not excellent. Also, I would have the low-light problem at that ap. With a max ap of 4.5, AF in low-light may also be more of an issue than I'm used to. But, at $2600 less than the 300 f/2.8, it is a heck of a value, and as such, it has to be considered.
 
These were captured with my 10-400.







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Bob

'There are always two people in every picture: the photographer and the viewer.' - Ansel Adams

Canon 40D, 70-200mm f4L IS, 28-135mm IS, Sigma 17-70mm f2.8 Macro, 100-400 mm f4.5L IS
Sony R1
Canon Pro1

 
Since the price of the 300 f/2.8 is so high, I felt like I needed to
throw this out there to the 40D community for advice and/or
recommendations before I pull the trigger. Comments?
It's got reach, and it's fast... but I don't know how hand-holdable it is given its weight.

The 300 F4L IS is probably the best 'compromise' of all the features you are looking for, but it may be slightly deficient in the reach and speed department. Definitely hand-holdable, great IQ, and decent price.

If you think the 300 2.8 is hand-holdable, that would be the way to go, as with a 1.4 extender you also have a 420 F4L IS.
 
300mm F4L IS

The 2.8 lenses will not be hand-holdable, and will be much more expensive.

I have good luck at low light shots when I bump up ISO a bit (400, 800, 1000).
The lens is sharp with quick focus.

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Canon EOS 5D & 40D - Albuquerque NM
 
Both the 100-300 F4 and 120-300 F2.8 deserve serious consideration.

The 120-300 is the best lens Sigma make, and kills the 100-400 for IQ and speed.

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Mark Williams (Adelaide, South Australia)
Canon 40D + Canon 24-105L IS + Sigma 10-20 + Sigma 100-300 F4 EX + Sigma 1.4x TC
 
Since you have experience with both 120-300 and the 100-400 I would appreciate photos taken with both.
Thanks
Both the 100-300 F4 and 120-300 F2.8 deserve serious consideration.

The 120-300 is the best lens Sigma make, and kills the 100-400 for IQ
and speed.

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Mark Williams (Adelaide, South Australia)
Canon 40D + Canon 24-105L IS + Sigma 10-20 + Sigma 100-300 F4 EX +
Sigma 1.4x TC
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Bob

'There are always two people in every picture: the photographer and the viewer.' - Ansel Adams

Canon 40D, 70-200mm f4L IS, 28-135mm IS, Sigma 17-70mm f2.8 Macro, 100-400 mm f4.5L IS
Sony R1
Canon Pro1

 
1. Focal Length 300mm or longer (required).
2. IQ / sharpness throughout open to shut, center to border (required).
3. Low-light performance (required).
4. Hand-holdability (Highly Preferred).
I'm in the same situation, ready to bite on a longer lens. The major difference is that I can't consider the 300/2.8 because of the cost, and in any case I probably wouldn't because of the weight.

So my options are:
  • 100-400 IS. Lack of f/4 is a concern but the main issue for me is that I just don't like the handling of the push-pull zoom. I've tried to like it but I can't. It's also the most expensive of the lenses I'm considering.
  • 400/5.6. Why oh why oh why is there no IS version of this lens? It is supremely good at what it does but the lack of IS reduces its versatility, and the fixed length reduces it some more.
  • 300/4 IS. This lens has everything except the last bit of length, and I already have a 1.4x TC so that problem is solved. So this would give me a 420/5.6 IS and that is to die for. The only reason I haven't settled on this is I want the focusing speed of the 400/5.6 and I won't get that with a TC fitted. I'd have it (close enough) with the bare lens but is 300 long enough? Probably not. There is also a slight concern over the two-stop IS.
If I could afford to buy two lenses it would be the 400/5.6 and the 300/4 IS. But I can't, I have to choose, and it's impossible.

Canon could help me decide by announcing a 400/5.6 IS (if the price is right), or an upgraded 300/4 with current generation IS, or a completely new xxx-400 zoom with a conventional zoom ring.
 
My guess is that when Canon releases an updated 400 F5.6 with IS you can bet on an healthy price increase. I would bet at least $500 and I would not be surprised to see the increase be higher.

If I was to guess - the updated lens would sell between $1,800 and $2,000.
 
I really wouldn't worry about the IS on the 300... those first two stops are what's most important anyway. I have the 300 F4L IS and the 400 5.6L - they are both great lenses with different uses. In fact the 300 F4L is a great closeup lens with a min distance of 1.5m vs 3.5 for the 400. You are correct though that the 300F4L takes a big hit on AF with the 1.4
If I could afford to buy two lenses it would be the 400/5.6 and the
300/4 IS. But I can't, I have to choose, and it's impossible.

Canon could help me decide by announcing a 400/5.6 IS (if the price
is right), or an upgraded 300/4 with current generation IS, or a
completely new xxx-400 zoom with a conventional zoom ring.
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...and suddenly I think you're closer to the 100-400/IS in both range and image quality, but then you have a heck of a lot more weight to lug around.

Ahhh, my kingdom for an f-stop ;-)

Brendan
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I am the last sane person on earth.
 
Putting aside focusing speed for a moment, would you say that the 300/4 plus TC is anywhere close to the 400/5.6 in image quality in real-world situations? The impression I have gained from looking at countless images online is the the 400/5.6 is a notch higher. But do you find that in practice? For handheld work (90% for me), does the 300's IS make more difference than the slight sharpness advantage of the 400?

I forgot to mention MFD in my previous post - yes, that is a significant factor for me too.
I really wouldn't worry about the IS on the 300... those first two
stops are what's most important anyway. I have the 300 F4L IS and the
400 5.6L - they are both great lenses with different uses. In fact
the 300 F4L is a great closeup lens with a min distance of 1.5m vs
3.5 for the 400. You are correct though that the 300F4L takes a big
hit on AF with the 1.4
 
My guess is that when Canon releases an updated 400 F5.6 with IS you
can bet on an healthy price increase. I would bet at least $500 and I
would not be surprised to see the increase be higher.
I fear you may be right - taking the price from a little below the 300/4 IS to somewhat above.
 
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