Went Digital and Film

I agree that the turret highlighted in the Wikipedia article looks
EXACTLY like my picture! There aren't many castles in Phoenix, AZ
though, but it might have been an architectural detail on some
building. Thanks for the pointer!
That's an older photograph, right?

Have you ever been outside of Phoenix?
Does California count? We're kinda a suburb of LA ya know. Although I'm thinking that it's a house near Central and St. Charles in south Phoenix. I'll try and get by there this week to see if I can find the house. And then shoot it again!

Yeah, the shot was made 25-28 years ago, but developed only last week.

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I agree that the turret highlighted in the Wikipedia article looks
EXACTLY like my picture! There aren't many castles in Phoenix, AZ
though, but it might have been an architectural detail on some
building. Thanks for the pointer!
That's an older photograph, right?

Have you ever been outside of Phoenix?
Does California count? We're kinda a suburb of LA ya know. Although
I'm thinking that it's a house near Central and St. Charles in south
Phoenix. I'll try and get by there this week to see if I can find
the house. And then shoot it again!

Yeah, the shot was made 25-28 years ago, but developed only last week.
If you do find it....photograph it again and post the shots for us all. Hilarious the stuff we find sometimes.

I know I've got a roll of TMax 100 that has been in a Nikon Tank for a decade or so.....gotta process it one day to see what's on it!
 
Very well, you sir are a b*llsh*t merchant. Ilford's HP range began life in 1930. Tri-X was released onto an unsuspecting world in 1954. Twenty five years AFTER Tri-X was released (and nearly 50 after the original HP film) HP5 was going strong and, certainly in the circles I moved in at the time, was outselling Tri-X by a considerable margin. Your memory for film history is not what you claim it is.
. . . I was talking about the HP5(+) that is commercially available now.

Not about HP5, 4, or 3.

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Philip Larkin (1922-1985)
 
That is a huge negative to put up against an APS or even FF sensor. For us mere mortals, it is a matter of scanned 35mm negative film against an APS DSLR.
 
By big print folks you mean professional portrait artists and
landscape photographers, then yes, they do. Most stock agencies won't
take 35mm negative film for either of these because the grain can be
intrusive and their clients want large prints.

However, they will take well handled slides.
I know Cartier Bresson would be stuffed, stock agencies would turn his work down..

Great measure of a photographer eh?

Not that I knock stock photographers, if you like selling handshake shots..it's great, hardly a benchmark for good photography though.
But it is a measure of quality once you get into DR. You can get
really high DR from digital if you don't mind noise/posterization
either. Does that mean it is quality DR?
You just missed the entire point..I wont bother to explain..
Really? Where are the negs? And drug store color negs don't count for
black and white processing experience, btw.

Heck, where is your one roll of FP4? Just for kicks.
Frankly for a person who has a handful of shots, you seem to have no problems in thinking your are superb, I would be a tad more self critical if I were you
But shooting and hand processing more than one roll would make a
person a more credible witness to the technology. You are claiming
something that you have . . .

a.) no technical evidence of
b.) no practical evidence of
c.) no experiental claims to support a reasoniong with "b" except for
a bunch of hand-me-down kodak Gold 200 negatives you got from a
friend.
So I have to post my own youtube video now..hmmm
d.) to support as a a contrradictory claim to what Ilford has made on
the curves and both my and Luttman's experience shooting in standard
developers.
I fail to see what is wrong with ilford developers, but you have choices.
Yes. I have been posting photos from a variety of professional and
private applications shot ona range of (just) black and white film,
in a range of different soups at different dilutions,nad scanned ona
handful of different scanners. I can post more, and if I sit here
scanning I can fill a thread.
Stange you dont have all this work done...isnt it??
Where is yours. Please. I (and others here) ask for examples all the
time, and you just say you have them. Where are they?
Maybe you should learn to check the thread properly..
Something about barstool preaching?
Coming from a guy that made a silly comment, HP5 is Tri-X, what can you say? Not a lot, clearly you have no idea of what you are talking about. If you said "similar" then nobody would have kicked. Similar is not the same.

If you bother to look, ilford has been around longer than Kodak. They dont rip their films off..
Kodak has their slides and negs(color) rated aboutthe same for lp/mm
on high contrast targets. Although Velvia is the highest. It doesn't
matter, though because color film grain is awful color speckles that
ruin the print.
My colour prints disagree with your limited experience of neg film..sorry!
But anyone who has worked extensively with both knows that color
negatives handle the extinction of data horribly compared to positive
films. The finest grain color negatives on the market (Fuji Reala)
say a lot on their spec sheet. I love the stuff. But it doesn't
deliver the "goods" on landscapes because sharp color grain gets in
the way.
Slide is great for fidelity of colour, if that is what you are after.
I take it that means you are speechless because I have yet to see one
example from you, while I have posted several already. ;-)
Not much of a detective then, considering I have a link in my profile..

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. . . I only see about seven stops of useful density.

I don't know where Gordon thinks he is getting nine. You could tinker
in photoshop to brighten the shadows, but I sincerely doubt the
results would be satisfactory for a quality print by most standards.

If anything that chart proves the the low useable range of Velvia.

It doesn't stop me from loving that film though.

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Zach Bellino
Zach,

You need to do more than "glance" at that scanning section of the Velvia 50 calibration slide. Photography often encourages a deeper look. That, and you clearly have not run across Gordon (who is one of the more knowledgeable digital origination analysts around). More's the pity that you, just like Mr. Daniel Lee Taylor, are not troubling to seek Gordon out...you wouldn't want to risk gaining some new insight, would you.

So whatcha get is the second string, because I will not let your misperception pass.

I'm here to help--though you no doubt could track this down on you own. There are times you will need to have the 8th page of this in front of you.

http://www.fujifilmusa.com/shared/bin/AF3-0221E2Velvia50PIB.pdf

Now, let us begin our journey...

You see, I ran into a doubtful person. The woods, after all, are thick with them.

Start here, and read the thread through till you reach my "Checking Out" statement:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=28573537

Also, in the course of that, you will run into a few other links to pursue--typically with directions. Read the links, follow the directions, or run the risk of dying without a dog by your side.

Ed

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I have yet to see digital dig into the shadows like film does. I use a Canon T-90 and use the spot meter specifically. The T-90 can let you take 5 or more separate readings and then average them all for the perfect exposure..I don't know of any digital camera that will take more than 1 spot meter reading at a time which makes exposure even more limited. I bet 400 ISO film will have more detail when taken in a near dark room than 400 in digital. Digital is like slide..there is no way digital can compare to digging into the shadows as film does. But as I said I only shoot film in scenics. On a cloudy day, film has digital beat in the shadows of the mountains and trees. VERY hard to blow highlights in print..so easy to blow them in digital. Digital is still too limited. I shoot digital but not on scenics.
 
thebard37 wrote:

I know Cartier Bresson would be stuffed, stock agencies would turn
his work down..
Yes, they would.
Great measure of a photographer eh?
Not really. But magnum would. You are comparing press photgraphy and street photography to fine art landscapes. The one does not = the other.
Really? Where are the negs? And drug store color negs don't count for
black and white processing experience, btw.

Heck, where is your one roll of FP4? Just for kicks.
Frankly for a person who has a handful of shots, you seem to have no
problems in thinking your are superb, I would be a tad more self
critical if I were you
Frankly, that is avoiding the question. And I have far more posted here than you, and without needing to be self critical, better than a life preserver and two shots directly into the sun.
So I have to post my own youtube video now..hmmm
No, but some concrete evidence would be sufficient.
d.) to support as a a contrradictory claim to what Ilford has made on
the curves and both my and Luttman's experience shooting in standard
developers.
I fail to see what is wrong with ilford developers, but you have
choices.
Nothing is wrong with Ilford developers. That has nothing to do with the statement.

I am saying that you don't get this groundswell of DR.
Yes. I have been posting photos from a variety of professional and
private applications shot ona range of (just) black and white film,
in a range of different soups at different dilutions,nad scanned ona
handful of different scanners. I can post more, and if I sit here
scanning I can fill a thread.
Stange you dont have all this work done...isnt it??
Strange you have none?
Where is yours. Please. I (and others here) ask for examples all the
time, and you just say you have them. Where are they?
Maybe you should learn to check the thread properly..
Are you talking about the shot that you suppose has a four stop pull? There isn't a four stop pull there. There isn't any kind of highlight detail to mention after about two stops. You took zone X to zone IX. In fact, I have seen digital cameras do about the same, more or less. Moreover, there really isn't any significant detail to actually pull backbut flat gray.
Something about barstool preaching?
Coming from a guy that made a silly comment, HP5 is Tri-X, what can
you say? Not a lot, clearly you have no idea of what you are talking
about. If you said "similar" then nobody would have kicked. Similar
is not the same.
Same sh!t. I can develop it in similar dilutions of d-76 at the same time and it doesn't hurt anything. The films have almost identical curves at minimun devlopment. Trade secrets are never trade secrets and film companies are always looking at what the others are doing and reverse engineering their products.
Kodak has their slides and negs(color) rated aboutthe same for lp/mm
on high contrast targets. Although Velvia is the highest. It doesn't
matter, though because color film grain is awful color speckles that
ruin the print.
My colour prints disagree with your limited experience of neg
film..sorry!
My experience of negative film is far from limited. I have shot more than enough rolls of the stuff, in all sorts of speeds and variants.

I am guessing your infatuation witht the scanner mum an dad bought you, lowers the threshold of quality. Eitehr that or you are too skin flint to pony up to get some slides developed.
Not much of a detective then, considering I have a link in my profile..
I know your vanity site. And frankly it doesn't speak of a vast experience with film that would lead me to believe you are doing anything but shovelling here, and waiting for this thread to end now that you have been called on the carpet.

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Comments are always welcome.

Zach Bellino

'Nothing, like something, happens anywhere.”
-- from 'I Remember, I Remember'
Philip Larkin (1922-1985)
 
I am guessing your infatuation witht the scanner mum an dad bought
you, lowers the threshold of quality. Eitehr that or you are too skin
flint to pony up to get some slides developed.
I don't see many b&w slide film on the market, I guess I will stick with my scanner... ;-)
I know your vanity site. And frankly it doesn't speak of a vast
experience with film that would lead me to believe you are doing
anything but shovelling here, and waiting for this thread to end now
that you have been called on the carpet.
Only need to call this..and yes its a film shot ;-)



Not that I am where I want to be

But I think the talk of "kodak gold" experience, is just a tad off the mark.

Now, if you want to carry on with this chest beating stuff, fire away, start another thread, next time show a little bit of respect, and you may get some back.

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I am not the 'Ghost Hunter', nor am I the Irish actor in the 'Quiet Man' ;-)
 
Are you talking about the shot that you suppose has a four stop pull?
There isn't a four stop pull there. There isn't any kind of highlight
detail to mention after about two stops. You took zone X to zone IX.
In fact, I have seen digital cameras do about the same, more or less.
Moreover, there really isn't any significant detail to actually pull
backbut flat gray.
Lol..

Maybe you should grasp that I pushed the highlights (a bit), and added the blacks too. Why, because the DR was so great, I wanted that effect.

As for vanity sites, it's all down to taste. Crushed bikes dont do much for me either..

But you started it..so, it has to finish...
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