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The 1Ds III is the best FF and it is worth the 8K

It is lighter than 1Ds II - already a great camera and the 14 bits sensor

I am sure when D3x or A900 or whatever they are call released - the price of the 1Ds III will drop but that is just simple economics - supplies and demands (also the 1Ds III will be class as non-leader when that happen) and of course those two cameras will be more advance as the 1Ds III is released for at least half a year now and the competitors can change feature to beat this.

Just like people talk about the D700 is so much better than the 5d - of course the 5D did 12mp 3 years ago and of course the D700 beats it for features - but that is just normal and it is not fair to say the 5D is not as superior as the D700. I guess the Nikon guys waited a long time for their FX (FF) and yes Nikon has finally got their act together to produce some outstanding optics - namely 24mm PC-E and 14-24mm (monster devil great wide-angle zoom - nothing likes it - beat 24mm L 1.4 with 5D with an EOS / Af-S adaptor)!

But at the moment - nothing touches it for whatever price. Yes, the D3 is nearly that, but pixels are pixels. Also, if you want the best DSLR quality (not counting 22, 39, 50 and 60 mp digital back), then the 1Ds III is the ultimate choice.

Lastly, the 1D III is definitely not as good as the 1Ds III in terms of image quality and chip size - FF is FF!

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Michael_J said:
Two 14mp 1DMKIV's (1DMKIV - 1DfMKIV) and a 31mp 1DsMKIV?
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Yup! Why not?

Actually what I really want is a 1Ds Mark IV with about 31mp, 5 fps for RAW (10 fps with sRAW), higher dynamic range, high ISO capability (12800), better LCD just like the Nikon's and that will be great. I don't mind spending 8,000 dollars for it.
Michael_J said:
Doesn't sound a bit crazy to me.
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Well....good!

Thanks Michael!

Danny Tuason :)

PS If you said "It sounds a bit crazy to me." I don't mind that either...because in my case I am crazy in some ways...hehehe! I love being a gearhead.

To the members focused more on photography than gear...well I love shooting too...so collecting gear and shooting go hand in hand for me. Both give me pleasure....just in different ways of course.
Michael_J said:
dtuason said:
Anastigmat said:
The 1DMKIII is a remarkable camera in terms of image quality, but it
is not full frame. And full frame does have advantages even over the
1.3x crop 1DMKIII, especially in wide angles. The 1DMKIII cannot
accept EF-S lenses (except third party EF-S mount lenses), so it is
limited to full frame ultrawide angles, which means it is not wide
angle friendly as the full frame models. For the sports
photographer, who rarely use ultrawide angles, perhaps this
deficiency does not matter. Nevertheless I think Canon should
replace the 1DMKIII with a full frame, with low pixel count to
perserve its speed and high ISO performance. I am guessing a 12-14mp
full frame 1D may be in the pipeline.
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I would love to get a copy of that. It will serve all my needs. A
fast FF body...for sports. Plus I can also do my landscape shots
with it.

But...I think there are 1D3 owners who like the 1.3x crop part of
that body.

Danny Tuason :)

PS Why not a 1D4 (1.3x crop) and a 1D4f (FF) released at the same
time? I will get the 1D4f version.

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Nikon understands exactly what you are talking about and that is why they made the D3 and D700. Meanwhile Canon is trying to bilk every cent out of you and losing gobs of market share. It is a new DSLR world and Canon has failed to adapt.
Dragos Nenciu said:
I just tested the 1dmk3 and 1dsmk3 side by side today and honestly
the image quality to me was better on the 1dmk3 than the 1dsmk3.

Sure 1ds mk3 has higher mpx and more detail if you need it. But the
1d mk3 has much better shadow noise even at low iso.

And if you don't print large enough to need the extra resolution you
are losing image quality.

Personally I don't think that the sensor in the 1dsmk3 is worth $4k
more than the 1dmk3.

Yes the 1ds is FF and 1d is crop. And yes that is also the reason I
went from a 1dmk2 to a 5D I don't regret my choice but I don't really
like the body/features on the 5D and would like to return to a 1
series body.

Is just that I can either lose the FF by buying a 1dmk3 or pay a lot
more money and slow my whole PP process to get worse images from the
1dsmk3.

So anybody else thinks the 1dsmk3 should not be selling for 8k?
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SuperSport said:
Dragos Nenciu said:
I just tested the 1dmk3 and 1dsmk3 side by side today and honestly
the image quality to me was better on the 1dmk3 than the 1dsmk3.

Sure 1ds mk3 has higher mpx and more detail if you need it. But the
1d mk3 has much better shadow noise even at low iso.

And if you don't print large enough to need the extra resolution you
are losing image quality.

Personally I don't think that the sensor in the 1dsmk3 is worth $4k
more than the 1dmk3.

Yes the 1ds is FF and 1d is crop. And yes that is also the reason I
went from a 1dmk2 to a 5D I don't regret my choice but I don't really
like the body/features on the 5D and would like to return to a 1
series body.

Is just that I can either lose the FF by buying a 1dmk3 or pay a lot
more money and slow my whole PP process to get worse images from the
1dsmk3.

So anybody else thinks the 1dsmk3 should not be selling for 8k?
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Was the 30D a response for D200 or was the 40D a response to the D300, I forget?
jgb said:
SuperSport said:
Dragos Nenciu said:
I just tested the 1dmk3 and 1dsmk3 side by side today and honestly
the image quality to me was better on the 1dmk3 than the 1dsmk3.

Sure 1ds mk3 has higher mpx and more detail if you need it. But the
1d mk3 has much better shadow noise even at low iso.

And if you don't print large enough to need the extra resolution you
are losing image quality.

Personally I don't think that the sensor in the 1dsmk3 is worth $4k
more than the 1dmk3.

Yes the 1ds is FF and 1d is crop. And yes that is also the reason I
went from a 1dmk2 to a 5D I don't regret my choice but I don't really
like the body/features on the 5D and would like to return to a 1
series body.

Is just that I can either lose the FF by buying a 1dmk3 or pay a lot
more money and slow my whole PP process to get worse images from the
1dsmk3.

So anybody else thinks the 1dsmk3 should not be selling for 8k?
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How do you define image quality?

Bigger pixels mean better dynamic range, lower noise...

If you don't need the 21mpx, or need to shoot at > iso1600 the pictures from the 1dmk3 look better than the 1dsmk3 resized to 10mpx.

I know because I tested both side by side.
 
dtuason said:
Michael_J said:
Two 14mp 1DMKIV's (1DMKIV - 1DfMKIV) and a 31mp 1DsMKIV?
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Yup! Why not?
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I wouldn't care if they did - but I seriously doubt if they would.
dtuason said:
Actually what I really want is a 1Ds Mark IV with about 31mp, 5 fps
for RAW (10 fps with sRAW), higher dynamic range, high ISO capability
(12800), better LCD just like the Nikon's and that will be great. I
don't mind spending 8,000 dollars for it.
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I want a 1DWhatever with 30+mp, 16fps, 48 shot buffer, higher dynamic range, clean looking ISO 12800 for 8x10 prints, a truly silent 1 shot mode and a better LCD. 7-9K would be fine... less would be better.

I don't expect Canon to make one - it's just what I think I would be happy with, today. Tomorrow, I might want something more.
dtuason said:
dtuason said:
Doesn't sound a bit crazy to me.
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That didn't come out as I intended. :-}
dtuason said:
Well....good!

Thanks Michael!

Danny Tuason :)

PS If you said "It sounds a bit crazy to me." I don't mind that
either...because in my case I am crazy in some ways...hehehe! I love
being a gearhead.

To the members focused more on photography than gear...well I love
shooting too...so collecting gear and shooting go hand in hand for
me. Both give me pleasure....just in different ways of course.
Click to expand...
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People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
 
Michael_J said:
dtuason said:
Michael_J said:
Two 14mp 1DMKIV's (1DMKIV - 1DfMKIV) and a 31mp 1DsMKIV?
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Yup! Why not?
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I wouldn't care if they did - but I seriously doubt if they would.
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Me too! I seriously doubt they would do that!

I bet the 1D series would remain a 1.3x crop body. If not, then Canon would turn it into FF...but Canon will only release one version of the 1D Mark IV.
Michael_J said:
Michael_J said:
Actually what I really want is a 1Ds Mark IV with about 31mp, 5 fps
for RAW (10 fps with sRAW), higher dynamic range, high ISO capability
(12800), better LCD just like the Nikon's and that will be great. I
don't mind spending 8,000 dollars for it.
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I want a 1DWhatever with 30+mp, 16fps, 48 shot buffer, higher dynamic
range, clean looking ISO 12800 for 8x10 prints, a truly silent 1 shot
mode and a better LCD. 7-9K would be fine... less would be better.

I don't expect Canon to make one - it's just what I think I would be
happy with, today. Tomorrow, I might want something more.
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I agree with you...

I guess it's more realistic to have 30+ megapixels...maybe 5fps...same buffer size as the 1Ds3 (or slightly more), clean looking ISO 12800 (doable...I saw some clean looking ISO 6400 shots from the D3...superb!), and a better LCD (like the Nikon's)

Actually I prefer 21.1 megapixels (or less like 16.7 megapixels) but much higher dynamic range.

I still think a good film camera is better than the 1Ds3....my opinion only.
Michael_J said:
Michael_J said:
Michael_J said:
Doesn't sound a bit crazy to me.
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That didn't come out as I intended. :-}
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No problem Michael! Like I said either way it's no problem to me!

Thanks again!

Danny Tuason :)
Michael_J said:
Michael_J said:
Well....good!

Thanks Michael!

Danny Tuason :)

PS If you said "It sounds a bit crazy to me." I don't mind that
either...because in my case I am crazy in some ways...hehehe! I love
being a gearhead.

To the members focused more on photography than gear...well I love
shooting too...so collecting gear and shooting go hand in hand for
me. Both give me pleasure....just in different ways of course.
Click to expand...
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People who claim to be open minded never see it my way.
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dtuason said:
Michael_J said:
dtuason said:
Michael_J said:
Two 14mp 1DMKIV's (1DMKIV - 1DfMKIV) and a 31mp 1DsMKIV?
Click to expand...
Yup! Why not?
Click to expand...
I wouldn't care if they did - but I seriously doubt if they would.
Click to expand...
Me too! I seriously doubt they would do that!

I bet the 1D series would remain a 1.3x crop body. If not, then
Canon would turn it into FF...but Canon will only release one version
of the 1D Mark IV.
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Caution: Soapbox B.S. below.

There has been plenty of talk of merging the two 1D's into one camera before. This is one area where film and digital really differ, it didn't cost extra to produce a film camera to handle both - but with a digital, there is the added expense (design - materials - manufacturing) of pushing bigger files at hfps - and buffering them... or engineering a crop mode with the regular mode, and pushing smaller (but still large by todays standards) files at hfps - and buffering them.

I know it's been done, but not with a 30+mp sensor. Until the cost comes down significantly on huge sensors, and the ability to move those large files quickly. I can't see a PJ or Sports Photographer willing to pay for the "one" camera, I can, however, see a Studio Photographer willing to pay for such a camera.

Before I get flamed - think of this, each time Canon came out with their new 1D (except the first time), my camera shop had 12-16 old 1D's in their used case. Why? because the local paper replaced their staff photographers cameras (yes, they got a deal on the price for buying in "bulk"). I'm sure other companies did the same. I don't think they would be so eager to fork out 7-8K per, for a Studio/Sports camera, when all they want is a sports camera.

I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm saying the price, as it stands today would be cost prohibitive for some companies and individuals that shoot only PJ/sports. It would also be useless over kill to have a 30+mp "Studio mode" that would seldom, if ever, get used.

For those companies and individuals, they would (I imagine) keep what they had and look for alternatives as needed.

I, for one, think it's best to have two separate 1D series bodies. But if Canon came out with a single body 1D series, I'd give it a serious look.

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Michael_J said:
dtuason said:
Michael_J said:
dtuason said:
Michael_J said:
Two 14mp 1DMKIV's (1DMKIV - 1DfMKIV) and a 31mp 1DsMKIV?
Click to expand...
Yup! Why not?
Click to expand...
I wouldn't care if they did - but I seriously doubt if they would.
Click to expand...
Me too! I seriously doubt they would do that!

I bet the 1D series would remain a 1.3x crop body. If not, then
Canon would turn it into FF...but Canon will only release one version
of the 1D Mark IV.
Click to expand...
Caution: Soapbox B.S. below.

There has been plenty of talk of merging the two 1D's into one camera
before. This is one area where film and digital really differ, it
didn't cost extra to produce a film camera to handle both - but with
a digital, there is the added expense (design - materials -
manufacturing) of pushing bigger files at hfps - and buffering
them... or engineering a crop mode with the regular mode, and pushing
smaller (but still large by todays standards) files at hfps - and
buffering them.

I know it's been done, but not with a 30+mp sensor. Until the cost
comes down significantly on huge sensors, and the ability to move
those large files quickly. I can't see a PJ or Sports Photographer
willing to pay for the "one" camera, I can, however, see a Studio
Photographer willing to pay for such a camera.

Before I get flamed - think of this, each time Canon came out with
their new 1D (except the first time), my camera shop had 12-16 old
1D's in their used case. Why? because the local paper replaced their
staff photographers cameras (yes, they got a deal on the price for
buying in "bulk"). I'm sure other companies did the same. I don't
think they would be so eager to fork out 7-8K per, for a
Studio/Sports camera, when all they want is a sports camera.
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Thanks for the info Michael!

No...you won't get flak from me. I appreciate the info that you shared with us.
Michael_J said:
I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm saying the price, as it stands
today would be cost prohibitive for some companies and individuals
that shoot only PJ/sports. It would also be useless over kill to have
a 30+mp "Studio mode" that would seldom, if ever, get used.

For those companies and individuals, they would (I imagine) keep what
they had and look for alternatives as needed.

I, for one, think it's best to have two separate 1D series bodies.
But if Canon came out with a single body 1D series, I'd give it a
serious look.
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Me too! Me too!

I agree with you after reading your post. It makes sense to me now why Canon has 2 separate 1D cameras.

Actually I got "itchy" a month ago to get a 1D3. I stopped myself because of the "issues".

In the next set of 1D offerings I will seriously consider getting both bodies.

Thanks again Michael!

Danny Tuason :)
Michael_J said:
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