Why Use AF-ON Button?

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Hi All,

Quick question that may have been asked a few times before - but on the search i can't find a straight answer..

So my question - why would you want to use the AF-ON button, when a half press on the shutter button auto focusses and then a further half press on the same button completes the action. Does using the AF-ON button not extend the process of taking the actual picture, because you have to move from the AF-ON button to the actual shutter button?

Can anyone please explain the benefits of using this button and in what kind of picture taking context it would be useful...

Thanks in advance....
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Cheers Derek
 
You should listen to the Nikonian podcast " The Image Doctor".
There they explain the benifits of decoupling the focus from the shutter
and you end up with the benifit of having continious & single lock fucos
without having to touch any buttons or move your eye from the view finder.
Very handy when shooting wildlife and even sports.
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Rick P.
http://www.pbase.com/boogie11
 
The AF ON button has a specific use in live view tripod mode, read your manual.

No matter how hard you try focusiing your camera using the AF on button will not accidentally take a picture. Its quite easy to press the af on with your thumb and take the picture with your finger and you won;t accidentally take the picture and lose focus.

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Bluenose
 
I also use the release button instead of the AF-ON button, however, I remember some situations where I should have used the AF-ON instead.

I remember trying to focus on something and I didn't want to take the picture now... and I pressed too much and I took the picture. In that very case, I should have use the AF-ON button.
 
By setting up the camera in a specific way, you can use the AF-ON button to focus in several different modes without having to change any settings or buttons on the camera.

When set up this way, you can:

1) MANUALLY FOCUS: don't touch the AF-ON button at all.

2) FOCUS ONCE AND RECOMPOSE: put the focus point on subject, press the AF-ON button until focus occurs, then release (focus will stay locked). Recompose and press shutter release. (If using the shutter-release button to focus, you have to keep the shutter-release button continuously half-pressed.)

3) CONTINUOUSLY FOCUS: Track target with focus point while continuously pressing the AF-ON button. Press shutter release to take picture.

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Ron
CP5700, D70, D300
http://www.pbase.com/ronhrl

Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts. --Bernard Baruch
 
You should listen to the Nikonian podcast " The Image Doctor".
There they explain the benifits of decoupling the focus from the shutter
and you end up with the benifit of having continious & single lock fucos
without having to touch any buttons or move your eye from the view
finder.
Very handy when shooting wildlife and even sports.
--
Rick P.
http://www.pbase.com/boogie11
Thom Hogan also mentions this in his D300 book. I've found this tip quite useful.

Plus, I find that it's helpful to use the AF-ON button to focus when reframing the composition.
 
I can't imagine using this mode for shooting soccer (most of my photography), but I'm intrigued. I found the Image Doctors website, but I can't find the particular podcast. Would you happen to have a link?

thx,
Deanna
 
By separating the buttons, you've also de-coupled the metering from the focus point. You can now focus on one point, meter on another (half-press to lock exposure), recompose, and shoot.
 
By setting up the camera in a specific way, you can use the AF-ON
button to focus in several different modes without having to change
any settings or buttons on the camera.

When set up this way, you can:

1) MANUALLY FOCUS: don't touch the AF-ON button at all.

2) FOCUS ONCE AND RECOMPOSE: put the focus point on subject, press
the AF-ON button until focus occurs, then release (focus will stay
locked). Recompose and press shutter release. (If using the
shutter-release button to focus, you have to keep the shutter-release
button continuously half-pressed.)

3) CONTINUOUSLY FOCUS: Track target with focus point while
continuously pressing the AF-ON button. Press shutter release to
take picture.
I think if you continuously half press the shutter button to track the target you accomplish the same thing, but once you release the shutter you get the shot but lose the subject tracking and may lock on to a new focus point. Can anyone confirm? That's why for burst mode you have to use the AF On button to continuously focus thru the shutter release, and stay on target for the next release. fact or fallacy?
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Ron
CP5700, D70, D300
http://www.pbase.com/ronhrl
Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be
wrong in his facts. --Bernard Baruch
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Marabou Muddler
http://MMuddler.smugmug.com/Sports
 
This thread helped me understand the AF-ON button better. I have used the AF-On button ever since.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=26521069
Hi All,

Quick question that may have been asked a few times before - but on
the search i can't find a straight answer..
So my question - why would you want to use the AF-ON button, when a
half press on the shutter button auto focusses and then a further
half press on the same button completes the action. Does using the
AF-ON button not extend the process of taking the actual picture,
because you have to move from the AF-ON button to the actual shutter
button?

Can anyone please explain the benefits of using this button and in
what kind of picture taking context it would be useful...

Thanks in advance....
--
Cheers Derek
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Hi All,

Quick question that may have been asked a few times before - but on
the search i can't find a straight answer..
So my question - why would you want to use the AF-ON button, when a
half press on the shutter button auto focusses and then a further
half press on the same button completes the action. Does using the
AF-ON button not extend the process of taking the actual picture,
because you have to move from the AF-ON button to the actual shutter
button?

Can anyone please explain the benefits of using this button and in
what kind of picture taking context it would be useful...
Hi Derek,

I use it exclusively. I really like having the focus divorced from the shutter. I focus when I want and ONLY when I want. In fact, I get frustrated sometimes when I go back to the D50 which doesn't have an AF-On.

For the type of shooting I do the AF-On works out great. There may be some types where it doesn't work so well - others might chime in about that.

Something to note: Regardless of your AF-On settings, VR must be activated with a shutter half-press. That is the one time where it is still awkward for me - pressing the AF-On and half-pressing the shutter. I don't do it often though. If you are a birder or similar I would think it would become second nature pretty quickly.

Also as someone has already pointed out, you typically would use your thumb for the AF-On - you don't lose time switching between the shutter and AF-On. It does not extend the process of taking a picture. If anything it makes it quicker, IMO, because things are getting done in exactly the sequence you want or even simultaneously if you want.

So give it a try for a while. You'll love it.

Leroy
 
Think there is some uncertainty in my mind about the difference between tracking and locking on and locking focus point and locking focus.... very different expectations of what the Af module does. The words are similar but trying to read thru various posts I get the feeling that the writers are a little loose with terminology. Maybe I should read the manual, but here goes.... Chime in with corrections please!

Tracking means following a subject. The camera offers two dimensions of tracking beyond what the guy holding the camera does: tracking in the X-Y plane to keep the active sensors on the intended subject and tracking to predict how far or close the subject will be at the instant of actual exposure ( versus at the time when the shutter is fully pressed). You get the latter whenever in Af-C mode. And I'm guessing this depends on the camera calculating the subject velocity in the Z axis ( coming closer or farther) and knowing shutter (and lens?) response times to get the lens to the right place for when the sensor actually sees the subject. More on X-Y sensor tracking later.

Focus locking is simply having the camera make a final calculation/decision on where to focus the lens and that's it. No more fiddling. Signal is sent to lens when you half press in AF-S...... or last signal sent to lens is retained when you take thumb off the AF-On button in AF-C mode. You can reframe/move the active sensor off the target and the camera doesn't care or do anything 'cause it already did its job.

Locking the focus point is a electro-mechanical thumb command that you make manually to choose (and lock down) which sensor initially will be active for establishing the subject on which you want the camera to focus.

Now "locking on" sounds to me like something more related to X-Y tracking.... i.e. something to do with letting the camera follow a subject after initially identifying it as a focus target. Only Nikon knows how the Af module does it, but what it does (my interpretation!!!) is to make an initial distance measurement with the selected focus point ( you picked it with the manual focus selector and lock button and ring) and then (only in Dynamic area mode and AF-C mode) it assigns a whole bunch of sensors ( you pick from 9 to 51) the task of continuously recalculating distance to THAT subject no matter where it may wander in the viewfinder. It's like having one FBI agent assigned the inital task of finding the spy in a crowd in front of the train station, but then alerting a whole team to keep watch for the spy's movement in the crowd. The 3D feature in the 51 point selection even lets the camera make its evaluation in three separate color channels. The color signature of the subject therefore aids in tracking. How it knows THAT subject has moved and reappears within the view of another sensor within the stake-out group is a mystery to me.

Oh yes, a4 Focusing Tracking with Lock On .... that is a command to the FBI agents to wait just so long ( Long, Normal, Short or not at all) to acquire a new subject (i.e. go back to the agent responsible for inital subject acquisition) in the event that the subject momentarily disappears behind trees or something and no sensors can see it. If you set it for Long it means you can't tell the agents to quickly re-focus on a new subject once you've lost the one you've been tracking. But it also means that if you don't wait long enough and are too twitchy, you'll be shouting at the acquisition agent and he may find you unintended suspects in the crowd.... or even a statue in the middle of the square.

So that's how I see focus tracking operating and the AF-On button's function is to initiate the tracking and suspend tracking.

Now that I've revealed my ignorance, sensei, please help me understand!

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Marabou Muddler
http://MMuddler.smugmug.com/Sports
 
The AF ON button has a specific use in live view tripod mode, read
your manual.
Yeah - if the OP is using a body that has live view. You can't assume it's a D300 - the OP didn't specify.
 
Deanna I use this method for soccer and other sports, its wonderful. It works very well for fast paced action give it a day or two and try it.

-Scott
I can't imagine using this mode for shooting soccer (most of my
photography), but I'm intrigued. I found the Image Doctors website,
but I can't find the particular podcast. Would you happen to have a
link?

thx,
Deanna
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Scott,

Could you give me your exact steps? I don't want to choose the 51pt 3d as I've read that it's not great at random movement. So, for non-3d modes I will attempt to guess your process.

You choose a focus block, place it over the player with the ball & press the af-on button. You hold this button down and move the camera keeping the highlighted focus square on that player. Since the player is moving you will HAVE to hold down the af-on, right? Then when you decide to click the shutter you continue to hold the af-on and it will maintain the lock allowing you to shot multiple shots while truly continuously focusing?

Is that the main reason to DO it? So the camera doesn't have to restart the autofocus between shots? Sorry for all the questions - I'm really trying to figure all this out before soccer gears up again in the fall!

thanks very much!
Deanna
 
I don't mean to be flippant or sarcastic--as you unintentionally might be perceived to be. But...

An important point. Manuals don't report their experience using a feature. and, unfortunately, they are often very sparsely written (or obscurely), and that is the beauty of this forum. Not only help for those who need it, but experience and perspectives on alternative uses as well as overall effectiveness--sometimes by folks like Thom Hogan and Iliah Borg, to give just two stellar examples out of many, who really do know Nikon gear and digital imaging inside outand often gently correct those who do not.

The question was a useful one and answered well by most.
 
Might try looking in the manual.
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Neil.K. Wollpert
LOL - thats just too easy!! But FWIW i normally find camera manuals to be the least informative of any technical authoring i've ever come across, i suppose i should include PC Motherbosrd manuals in that category... hehehehehehe
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Cheers Derek
 
All,

Superb set of information - thanks to you all for the great replies, to be honest i have a D70, D200 and now a D300 and have never been able to understand why you would want to use the AF-ON button at all....

I'm gonna bookmark this thread and try some of the suggestions as i often shoot birds in flight and action type shots - it seems that it is ideal for those occasions..

Thanks again guys :-)

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Cheers Derek
 
RonHrl wrote:
By setting up the camera in a specific way, you can use the AF-ON
button to focus in several different modes without having to change
any settings or buttons on the camera.

When set up this way, you can:

1) MANUALLY FOCUS: don't touch the AF-ON button at all.

2) FOCUS ONCE AND RECOMPOSE: put the focus point on subject, press
the AF-ON button until focus occurs, then release (focus will stay
locked). Recompose and press shutter release. (If using the
shutter-release button to focus, you have to keep the shutter-release
button continuously half-pressed.)

3) CONTINUOUSLY FOCUS: Track target with focus point while
continuously pressing the AF-ON button. Press shutter release to
take picture.
Hi Ron, I am trying this on a D200 and when I press the AF-on button and release it focus does not stay locked. At least the AF confirmation light in the bottom left corner of the VF does not stay lit when when I release the AF-on button...

Any ideas what I am doing wrong? I have AF-C set on the camera. setting A2 I have AF-S mode priority set to release. A6 AF activation I have set to AF-on only...

Thanks,

Bob
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Photography is more about depth of feeling than depth of field
http://www.pbase.com/mofongo
 

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