What do you do with your RAW files?

Yes it is entirely possible that he started with a jpeg file; but as
I'll explain I don't think that is a problem, although I don't know
why you would want to create a NEF from a jpeg.
NX uses non-destructive editing, so it's a bit like opening a JPEG in PS, adding adjustment layers and saving as a PSD, but you get the benefits of control points and the files tend to be smaller than PSD files.
I don't know what type of file the input was, but the person did say
that they were doing a “Save as” and specifying NEF. At the time I
didn’t have either Lightroom or NX so there was no way that I could
play around and see if I could duplicate his problem. I just
remembered that I have NX2 as a trial so I tried playing around.

I opened a NEF and made a couple of quick adjustments and then did a
“Save as”; I was somewhat surprised that NX2 asked me if I wanted to
over-write the existing file, but I went ahead and said yes, and then
If you just do "Save" instead of "Save As", it won't ask about overwriting.
I exited NX2. I still don’t have Lightroom, but I do have PSE-5, and
I had no problem opening the rewritten file with ACR and PSE-5.

I then went out and shot a few jpeg images with my D50. I opened one
of the jpegs in NX2, did a Quick Fix and USM adjustment and then did
a “Save as” specifying NEF and then closed NX2. I had no problem
opening the NEF file generated by NX2 with ACR and then PSE-5.
I'm surprised that worked! Which image did ACR display... the original JPEG or the preview that shows result of the edits?
Whether there was a problem with NX that has been fixed I can’t say.
I can’t how PSE-5 could open a NEF file created by NX2 and Lightroom
could not since they both use the same raw routines created by Adobe.

Personally I can’t see any advantage in creating a new NEF, or
over-writing and existing NEF file, once the image has been modified
by NX or NX2. The original data is there if needed, and with NX all
the version you have created are there too, so why create another NEF
file?
I'm not sure I follow this? If you don't overwrite the NEF, the work you did in NX won't be saved anywhere.
But playing around today I have to conclude that at present there is
no problem, and I suspect the poster was doing something out of the
ordinary, or he had a corrupted software.

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Brooks
http://bmiddleton.smugmug.com/
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http://www.pixelfixer.org
 
.....
I opened a NEF and made a couple of quick adjustments and then did a
“Save as”; I was somewhat surprised that NX2 asked me if I wanted to
over-write the existing file, but I went ahead and said yes, and then
I exited NX2. I still don’t have Lightroom, but I do have PSE-5, and
I had no problem opening the rewritten file with ACR and PSE-5.
...
Personally I can’t see any advantage in creating a new NEF, or
over-writing and existing NEF file, once the image has been modified
by NX or NX2. The original data is there if needed, and with NX all
the version you have created are there too, so why create another NEF
file?
Brooks,

Unless I am doing something wrong NX will not automatically save
details of changes into the existing RAW file. You have to save your
changes with Save As or you will lose the changes you have made That
is no problem if you have just tweaked one setting but is a pain if
you have spent 30 minutes carefully PPing a difficult shot.

The program will ask you if you want to overwrite the original out of
an abundance of caution. In fact I "Save As" to a different directory
so I do not get the message unless I reprocess and overwrite.

It might help someone to know that a NEF that has been saved in NX
has a lower case ".nef" extension whereas the original camera file
has a ".NEF" extension. So you can easily tell which you have worked
on and which you have yet to process.

--
Chris Elliott
Hi Chris and Brooks,

I always overwrite (this is the default) the original NEF raw file after making changes in NX/2. There is no reason to create a new file with your changes. I can always re-open that original file, and each of my adjustments steps is still listed in the adjustments section for me to modify, remove, or add new adjustments to the existing ones.

You can always go back to the original NEF file if you wish by removing all of the adjustment steps you've made in the past.

Also, you can create a new version of that NEF file, for example, you can have a color version, and a b&w version, each version with different adjustment settings - all the different versions will be kept within that same NEF file, but you can call up any one of them at any time by simply switching versions, and create a different jpeg from each version - and you can still go back to the original NEF at any time.

NX/2 is an awesome program :-)

--
Albert-O
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Please visit me at
http://www.berto.zenfolio.com

 
Unless I am doing something wrong NX will not automatically save
details of changes into the existing RAW file. You have to save your
changes with Save As or you will lose the changes you have made That
is no problem if you have just tweaked one setting but is a pain if
you have spent 30 minutes carefully PPing a difficult shot.
I have no problem saving my changes with a simple "Save" and never even consider using a "Save as" accept when I want to create a new file with a different format, such as jpeg.
The program will ask you if you want to overwrite the original out of
an abundance of caution. In fact I "Save As" to a different directory
so I do not get the message unless I reprocess and overwrite.

It might help someone to know that a NEF that has been saved in NX
has a lower case ".nef" extension whereas the original camera file
has a ".NEF" extension. So you can easily tell which you have worked
on and which you have yet to process.
The only time the extension changes case is when you do a "save as" otherwise it remains in upper case, i.e. "NEF".

"Save as" requires more steps too, once you click on "Save as" you get a window asking for the file name, which defaults to the existing file name, and a text box asking for the file type, which defaults to "NEF ( .nef)". When you click on the "save" button you get another window, the "Warning" window advising that the file already exists and do you want to overwrite it. When you click on the "Yes" button another window appears, the "Save Options Dialog" and for me anyway all of the options so far have been grayed out so your only options are "Save or "Cancel". Clicking on the "Save' button finally brings up the Current Task window and the file is saved.

It should be noted that the "Save as" option does not automatically save the file back to the same folder that the file was read from but rather to the last folder that you did a "Save as" to. This means it is very easy to end up with a DSC_xxxx.NEF in one folder and a DSC_xxxx.nef in another folder.

I find it much easier to do a simple "Save" which immediately brings up the "current Task" window and a few seconds later your file, with all of the adjustments, has been saved and it is guaranteed to be saved in the original file's folder.
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Brooks
http://bmiddleton.smugmug.com/
 
I exited NX2. I still don’t have Lightroom, but I do have PSE-5, and
I had no problem opening the rewritten file with ACR and PSE-5.

I then went out and shot a few jpeg images with my D50. I opened one
of the jpegs in NX2, did a Quick Fix and USM adjustment and then did
a “Save as” specifying NEF and then closed NX2. I had no problem
opening the NEF file generated by NX2 with ACR and then PSE-5.
I'm surprised that worked! Which image did ACR display... the
original JPEG or the preview that shows result of the edits?
It opened the original jpeg in ACR with none of the modification made in NX2.
Whether there was a problem with NX that has been fixed I can’t say.
I can’t how PSE-5 could open a NEF file created by NX2 and Lightroom
could not since they both use the same raw routines created by Adobe.

Personally I can’t see any advantage in creating a new NEF, or
over-writing and existing NEF file, once the image has been modified
by NX or NX2. The original data is there if needed, and with NX all
the version you have created are there too, so why create another NEF
file?
I'm not sure I follow this? If you don't overwrite the NEF, the work
you did in NX won't be saved anywhere.
A simple "Save" works, why go through the extra steps involved in doing a "Save as" which also results in the file extension being changed from "NEF" to "nef"?

Doing some more experimenting I can see where creating a nef from a jpeg might be useful, provided each time you opened the nef file you also slected "New Version". That way NX2 allows you to go back to any version just the same as if you had started with an out-of-camera NEF. But I will continue to start with an out-of-camera NEF, as the jpeg still comes out of the camera as 8 bits.
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Brooks
http://bmiddleton.smugmug.com/
 
I appreciate the argument about better means of processing them maybe in future generations of software but I haven't the disk space and the reality is I haven't the time to go back later - so I make a high resolution jpg and a low resolution one to the best that I am able now. Then I delete the NEF.

I have a handful of TIFs if I thought the original image was really special but it really is only a handful out of tens of thousands of NEFs. My images please me but there's nothing that good that warrants keeping the NEF.

David
 
Hi David,

I know exactly what you are saying, before I bought my external drive I would periodically go through folders looking at my photos (NEF files) and generally I would conclude that most of them were NOT very good, and unlike wine they were NOT going to improve with age. I frequently deleted entire folders; sometimes to make room but frequently just because I realized that no matter how good I got in the future PP’ing photos I was never going to be able to make a silk-purse out of a sow’s ear. A week or so ago I did the same and deleted a whole bunch of photos that should have been discarded when I first viewed them. I really need to do that more often; I’ve been thinking about culling out the junk at the end of every month -- most months that would mean deleteing 100% of the photos taken for that month.

A quote from Ansel Adams pretty much sums it up, “Twelve significant photographs in any one year is a good crop”, I guess it is rather arrogant to think I can out do Mr. Adams.
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Brooks
http://bmiddleton.smugmug.com/
 
Yes, absolutely!

I am my own most aggressive critic. I delete the majority of my images at first processing unless there is some compelling reason not to. I arrange my images on the hard disk in separate directories, one for each day. At the end of each month these are amalgamated into a month-directory and there is another round of deletions. At the end of the year they go into a year-directory (and a database) and there are more deletions.

I don't want a vast collection of mediocre images: they have to be as good as I know I can make them or more to the point, as good as the best anybody else can make them.

David
I
frequently deleted entire folders; sometimes to make room but
frequently just because I realized that no matter how good I got in
the future PP’ing photos I was never going to be able to make a
silk-purse out of a sow’s ear.
 
I have been shooting exclusively in RAW since I purchased my D70 close to four years ago. I used to save everything, but I have since started deleting the obvious duds (i.e., hopelessly out of focus, poorly framed and unsalvageable through cropping, etc.). Although external hard drives are cheap (I have 2), to me there's no sense in keeping a file that there is no chance I'll ever return to. I do this immediately after transfer from the camera.

I organize my photos by creating a file folder for each transfer (subject matter and date). Within that file folder, I create a separate subfile folder for the RAW images that I am keeping, while I keep any edited/processed pictures in the general transfer file as well (so that the processed thumbnails appear upon opening the main general transfer file folder). I also tag both the processed pictures and the RAW files using ACDSee, so that I can find them more easily.
 
I keep my NEFs and the ones I like are processed and saved as Tiff's (really big) and from the Tiff's I "deliver" to jpg (various dpi/quality depending on the need - down rez for photo.net, 300 dpi for sending to printer: ink jet or Shutterfly over internet..

so shots I like include the originating NEF (D40 - 5mb), the TIFF (20 mb) and various delivery JPGs (150 kb - 2 or 3 mb)...sometimes 30 mb of files.....for one shot....

yikes!

only salvation is to get good at deleting the stuff you really are not going to do anything with.... for me it is not so much for the storage problem as a matter of maintaining focus....

I find this really easy to do if you don't bother to try to do it right away....because everything recent just seems so important...but after year, old junk just seems to reveal itself for what it is ......so figure out how to archive everything for at least a year...I archive by date...and in the cold perspective afforded by time, I find I am able to go back into past years and delete without remorse...

if you CAN'T hit the delete button for old stuff from time to time, then you really do have a problem....

we haven't even discussed AVIs
 

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