What camera has the best color accuracy?

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After many years of good service, our Sony F717 is finally flaking out on us. Time to look for a replacement.

The Sony is a good camera, but its Achilles heel is color fidelity. My wife uses it for product photos, and she spends way too much time correcting things in post processing. Now I'm not talking about white balance problems, which can be fixed with manual WB, or saturation, which can be adjusted easily with the most basic software. I'm talking about situations where one hue will be dead on and another will be way off.

Are there any cameras which are especially good at getting the colors right?
 
As all cameras capture a representation of reality your opinion determines which approach is best and not necessarily most accurate. Kodak and Olympus camera lines have reputations for nice color.

Take a trip to a photo store and tryout some cameras to see which ones you like and then buy one.

REd
 
If you use a camera that has a Raw output, it is possible to calibrate the various hues quite precisely for particular lighting. Since (especially artificial) lighting does not always have a smooth spectrum, and particular hues depend on light source specifics, no camera can get things "right" across the board. Our brains use a lot of inference when assessing colour for themselves.

There is a Calibration tab in Adobe Camera Raw (for example), with sliders controlling detailed colour response. By doing this as part of the RAW conversion, there is no quality penalty.

This is usually automated by investing in and photographing a standard colour target (generally a GretagMacbeth one) in known lighting, and then running a Photoshop script that compares the photographed colours against the RGB values they should theoretically have. The resulting Calibration slider settings are saved into a custom profile (preset), which can be invoked during Raw conversion of subsequent images.

There are several free scripts available, but the physical target itself is costly IMO.

As to pleasing colour balance and reliable whitebalance for JPG , I have found Panasonic compact cameras generally very good, and Pentax dSLRs reasonably so when in "natural" mode.

RP
 
Are there any cameras which are especially good at getting the colors
right?
As was mentioned, if you get a camera with RAW capability, it can be calibrated to a good degree of accuracy. If you are talking about jpegs, you might have a look at the reviews at imaging-resource.com

http://www.imaging-resource.com/MFR1.HTM

Under the "Exposure" tab of each review is a chart of color accuracy. Here is an example:



Each data point represents a square on a standard Gretag-MacBeth colorchecker chart (numbered in order). The square data point is the correct color of the chart, the circle attached to it is the color output by the camera jpeg engine at some choice of default settings. The distance from the circle to the square is a measure of the color area for that square of the GM chart. At the top of the figure is an aggregate figure for the overall color accuracy.

Hope this helps.

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Are there any cameras which are especially good at getting the colors
right?
I'm also curious about that. If one checks the technical listing (dossier technique) for digital cameras from the French media shop Fnac, it gives fairly low scores for "respect couleur" for cameras like the Canon EOS 5D and the Nikon D300 - cameras that are arguably some of the best ones money can buy.

Fnac describes to some detail (in French) how they judge the "respect couleur", but I still refuse to believe the result.

http://multimedia.fnac.com/multimedia/editorial/pdf/dossiers_techniques_2008/photo_ete2008.pdf

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After many years of good service, our Sony F717 is finally flaking
out on us. Time to look for a replacement.

The Sony is a good camera, but its Achilles heel is color fidelity.
My wife uses it for product photos, and she spends way too much time
correcting things in post processing. Now I'm not talking about
white balance problems, which can be fixed with manual WB, or
saturation, which can be adjusted easily with the most basic
software. I'm talking about situations where one hue will be dead on
and another will be way off.

Are there any cameras which are especially good at getting the colors
right?
No. They all basically start with the same sensors, so for the most part, they all get the colors about as "right" as each other. But every now and then, you run into one where someone has done something strange in the software, and you get one that's especially good at getting the colors wrong ;) This is often done in an attempt to make the colors more "pleasing", and that works for some kinds of photography, but can drive a product photographer up the wall.

I do product (just guessing) at a bit higher end then you, and I use the calibration procedure Richard recommended. Shoot the Macbeth checker with the lights you use for your product work, run the calibrator script, and then process your raws with the settings the script gives you.

It will compensate for both inaccuracies in the camera, and in the lighting (to some extent). As he mentioned, it requires a $80 Macbeth "ColorChecker" target. You might find that investing $80 in the Macbeth will bring your 717 up to the level that you need. Do you shoot raw now? Can the 717 shoot raw?

The next big problem is the lights themselves. Do you perhaps have one of those "product photography kits" you find online, the kind with two or three aluminum reflectors a bout a foot in diameter, with spiral "compact fluorescent" lights in them? Those lights are the worst. You can get your white balance perfect, and still have your reds horribly off. You can even run the calibrator action, which will give you perfect whites, reds, greens, and blues, but still have magenta way off. And it's all because of the lights...

Unfortunately, Cameras have only a very basic concept of lighting, they like lighting where the spectrum is "smooth" (hard to describe without drawing). That kind of light includes sunlight, electronic flashes, and incandescent (good old "hot filament" light bulbs we've been using for 100 years) lighting. Lighting with weird spectrums, full of sharp peaks and valleys, makes more work for the calibrator, you may find yourself needing to do "near hue" adjustments, like having an extra magenta tweak. And that "peaks and valleys" lighting leads to a problem called "illuminant metamerism". You can mix two colors that have very different spectra, but look the same to the human eye. Then, change the lighting, and suddenly the two colors look nothing like each other. This is a royal problem in product work, because you may have colors from multiple "domains" in the same product. You have a plastic part that has been dyed to a color with organic compounds and a painted part where the colors come from ground mineral pigments. They look fine under the "smooth" lights like sunlight or incandescent, but as soon as you put them under the fluorescent, one of the colors "shifts" away from the other.

Better lighting just solves so many problems. Doesn't have to be expensive lighting, a couple of "alien bees" studio strobes can provide many years of reliable service for the small shop.

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...I am very pleased with the colors from my Olympus cameras. They get high ratings for their color capture in reviews.

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Any camera is capable of getting the colors right. It's your workflow that determines how satisfied you are with your camera. There are a few things you can do to maximize your results, like duplicating the lighting conditions and white balance from shot to shot. You can even duplicate your post processing by using something like the Digital Calibration Target. I have an article on how to use it to get accurate consistent results from image to image:
http://bermangraphics.com/digital-jury-resources/black-white-color.htm
Are there any cameras which are especially good at getting the colors
right?
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Color algorithms vary GREATLY as do sensors.
Canon STILL has yellow-green crossover while burning out highlights before anyone else. Easy to spot images taken with Canon's due to that problem. Even their brochures show it.
Olympus and Fuji have the best color accuracy.
If you shoot RAW, your image is then subjected to an image processor that was NOT designed by your camera manufacturer who set the color algorithms, so you have less you can do with those images.
Think transparency film vs neg film. What you shoot is what you get with chromes, whereas the lab could bail you out on terrible neg film images.
If you want to see what a camera can do for color

, shoot JPEGs.
 
What the record is for dead thread resurrection?
 
What the record is for dead thread resurrection?
Somebody resurrected one from 2002 just a few days ago!!!!!! However the record is one I resurrected. I found the first DPR post from the late 90s and resurrected it just so no one could beat it!!! :-)

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This one was so old, DPReview didn't even know to notify me when it got new activity. I was alerted when someone else noticed it and sent me a private message.
 
This one was so old, DPReview didn't even know to notify me when it got new activity. I was alerted when someone else noticed it and sent me a private message.
They should give you some sort of prize! pretty remarkable, esp since obviously some didn't notice.
 
What camera did you end up buying in 2008 and did it provide the color fidelity you needed at the time?

This one was so old, DPReview didn't even know to notify me when it got new activity. I was alerted when someone else noticed it and sent me a private message.
 
What camera did you end up buying in 2008 and did it provide the color fidelity you needed at the time?
Good question! I don't remember the exact model, but it was a Sony APS-C DSLR, probably a rebranded Minolta. The color fidelity was not perfect but it was enough better than the older camera that it was adequate. The most important attribute was Live View, and at the time Sony had the best Live View.
 
The question from 2002: What is a digital camera? :-)
I had a digital camera in 2002 - it was built into my video recorder. Funny how today it's the reverse.
 
If you shoot RAW, your image is then subjected to an image processor that was NOT designed by your camera manufacturer who set the color algorithms
That's wrong in quite a few cases.
so you have less you can do with those images.
That's also wrong. Using software designed by an entity other than the entity that designed the hardware certainly does not equal 'having less you can do'.
If you want to see what a camera can do for color, shoot JPEGs.
If you want to see what a camera can do for color, that's correct. This is also correct: If you want to see what external software can do for color, shoot RAW.

It's a matter of deciding what you want to see.
 
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I did.

I could argue as me-now with me-then.

Not in this thread, though.
 

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