PCMCIA compared to firewire card reader

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Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive? I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now. There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire is much faster.
 
It doesn't matter. Firewaire, USB2 and PCMCIA are much faster then your CF card. Your CF will read at about 3MB a second. Firewire and USB2 transfer at 17MB/sec, PCMCIA is a little faster. But they can't go faster then the card.
Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is
faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive?
I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't
have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now.
There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs
about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire
is much faster.
--
RZ
http://www.rzphotos.com
 
Greg,

I have and use both. On my laptop I use the PCMCIA slot with my microdrives...only when travelling!. I can assure you that the Firewire reader (Lexar) on my desktop is considerably faster.

Bill
Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is
faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive?
I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't
have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now.
There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs
about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire
is much faster.
 
It doesn't matter. Firewaire, USB2 and PCMCIA are much faster then
your CF card. Your CF will read at about 3MB a second. Firewire
and USB2 transfer at 17MB/sec, PCMCIA is a little faster. But they
can't go faster then the card.
Guess that means that I just have to pick my poison.
Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is
faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive?
I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't
have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now.
There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs
about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire
is much faster.
--
RZ
http://www.rzphotos.com
 
Phil or somebody has a comparison test up somewhere. The upshot as I recall was PCMCIA was a whole lot faster than USB, and firewire was somewhat faster than PCMCIA.

Nill
 
Greg,

I have and use both. On my laptop I use the PCMCIA slot with my
microdrives...only when travelling!. I can assure you that the
Firewire reader (Lexar) on my desktop is considerably faster.
When I had PCMCIA slots in my desktop they were faster then the PCMCIA slots in my laptop.
Bill
Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is
faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive?
I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't
have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now.
There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs
about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire
is much faster.
 
The PCMCIA in my laptop is considerably slower than the firewire connection. I'm sure theoretically that PCMCIA is faster than the card speed, but it looks like maybe laptops have an inherent speed cap that is much lower.
Greg,

I have and use both. On my laptop I use the PCMCIA slot with my
microdrives...only when travelling!. I can assure you that the
Firewire reader (Lexar) on my desktop is considerably faster.
When I had PCMCIA slots in my desktop they were faster then the
PCMCIA slots in my laptop.
Bill
Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is
faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive?
I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't
have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now.
There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs
about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire
is much faster.
 
The PCMCIA in my laptop is considerably slower than the firewire
connection. I'm sure theoretically that PCMCIA is faster than the
card speed, but it looks like maybe laptops have an inherent speed
cap that is much lower.
Not inherent, but most laptops have much slower hard discs than
most desktops (2.5" 4200rpm vs 3.5" 7200rpm in my case,
plus differences in cache sizes).

As already stated, the interfaces are faster than the CF cards:
they are also faster than destination drives. I have a week-old
laptop, and on that copying 64Mb of images across its disc took 17
seconds. Older machines can be much slower (especially on battery
power).

The PCMCIA adapter price seems high to me. My desktop has
one because it used to have a wireless network adapter (which
is a PCMCIA card) and that was 10GBP ($14) extra. It works
with my microdrives and adapters.
Greg,

I have and use both. On my laptop I use the PCMCIA slot with my
microdrives...only when travelling!. I can assure you that the
Firewire reader (Lexar) on my desktop is considerably faster.
When I had PCMCIA slots in my desktop they were faster then the
PCMCIA slots in my laptop.
Bill
Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is
faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive?
I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't
have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now.
There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs
about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire
is much faster.
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Phil and Rob Galbraith have both done tests showing FireWire card readers are significantly faster than PCMCIA. Paradoxically, that's true even when you run a FireWire card reader off a PCMCIA FireWire card, so obviously there's a lot more to it than theoretical interface speeds.
Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is
faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive?
I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't
have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now.
There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs
about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire
is much faster.
 
I find that very surprising because CF cards use essentially the same interface as PCMCIA cards. The form factor and pin-outs are different, but that's it. That's why the CF to PCMCIA adapters are so cheap.
Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is
faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive?
I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't
have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now.
There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs
about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire
is much faster.
 
That's not my experience. On my Sony laptop, my MD transfers at the same speed (2.7M/sec) as my Firewire and that is close to the limit of the MD. One thing to watch out for is the write speed of the destination hard drive. Laptop hard drives are very slow and might be clouding the transfer numbers. I wrote a little windows app that tests read speed and disables the caching so that is not a factor. I saw no different between PCMCIA and Firewire. I don't have USB2, but the specs are much faster then the CF/MD cards.
Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is
faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive?
I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't
have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now.
There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs
about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire
is much faster.
--
RZ
http://www.rzphotos.com
 
Phil and Rob Galbraith have both done tests showing FireWire card
readers are significantly faster than PCMCIA. Paradoxically,
that's true even when you run a FireWire card reader off a PCMCIA
FireWire card, so obviously there's a lot more to it than
theoretical interface speeds.
Where did you find a PCMCIA Firewire card that would actually run a firewire card reader. I have an ADS firewire CF reader (very fast on my desktop) and my SiiG dual Cardbus firewire PCMCIA adaptor will not work with it.

Of course, I can always use the microdrive PCMCIA adaptor which works fine. However, I have an external HDD in a firewire enclosure arriving soon and I wanted to use the laptop as a bridge to dump the microdrive directly from the ADS reader to the external drive. Hence the need for a dual firewire adaptor.

I guess I will have to first use the CF/MD PCMCIA adaptor to dump onto the laptop, take it out, put in the Siig firewire adaptor, plug in the external HDD and transfer from the laptop to the HDD.

I think the issue is that my PCMCIA firewire adaptor is 6 pins, but it still does not provide buss power to any device connected to it.

If any of you know of a PCMCIA dual firewire adaptor that will in fact power the ADS Pyro reader I would love to know. The ADS PCMCIA adaptor seems focused on MINI DV and makes no mention of this issue. ADS has not answered my email on this either.

geeeeesssshhhhhh..

CDL
 
Since PCMCIA CF converters are using the old doggy 16 bit (think ISA) card standard, they're slower than a 32 bit PCI (or cardbus) firewire connection.

Heck, PCMCIA cards might come in 8 bit flavors if I remember correctly. Either way, the bottleneck is likely not the card, it's the PCMCIA interface itself.
Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is
faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive?
I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't
have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now.
There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs
about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire
is much faster.
 
copying 69 files/162Mb IBM 1G MD to HD - Eos 1D jpegs.
2min 5sec -- Sandisk USB 1.1 CF card reader w/ 1.5Ghz P-IV
2min 6sec -- PCMCIA adapter w/ 800Mhz P-III laptop
Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is
faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive?
I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't
have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now.
There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs
about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire
is much faster.
 
I actually found that transfering RAW files via USB from the D30 was considerably speeded-up by saving to an external 7200 rpm Firewire HD, instead of the internal HD unit in my G4.

It's a few seconds per image, but over hundreds of files it all adds up, especially when you then do RAW to TIFF conversions, and there is a lot of HD I/O.

Chris.

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http://www.d30-images.com
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Since PCMCIA CF converters are using the old doggy 16 bit (think
ISA) card standard, they're slower than a 32 bit PCI (or cardbus)
firewire connection.
So does this mean that the PCMCIA PC slots that come with the PCI card, instead of the ISA card, are faster then the ISA version? Also these tests that Phil did were with a laptop and my desktop PCMCIA slots were faster then my laptop slots.
Heck, PCMCIA cards might come in 8 bit flavors if I remember
correctly. Either way, the bottleneck is likely not the card, it's
the PCMCIA interface itself.
Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is
faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive?
I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't
have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now.
There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs
about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire
is much faster.
 
copying 69 files/162Mb IBM 1G MD to HD - Eos 1D jpegs.
2min 5sec -- Sandisk USB 1.1 CF card reader w/ 1.5Ghz P-IV
2min 6sec -- PCMCIA adapter w/ 800Mhz P-III laptop
Before I upgraded my desktop I compared USB 1.1 to PC slots at 16 bit and the PC slots came in at around 4 min while the USB reader came in at close to 7 min. I was transfering well over 300 meg.
Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is
faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive?
I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't
have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now.
There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs
about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire
is much faster.
 
Wow. That's nothing like I get from my Sony laptop. It's very close to my firewire reader. I guess there is a big difference in the kind of PCMCIA slot you have.
Does anyone have first hand knowledge as to which of these is
faster at transfering images from a microdrive to your hard drive?
I have USB 2.0 but there are no true USB 2.0 readers yet.

I had PCMCIA PC slots in my last computer but my new MB doesn't
have any ISA slots so I'm stuck with a USB 1.1 reader for now.
There is a PCI version of the PCMCIA PC slots available that costs
about $80. I'd perfer the PCMCIA over firewire unless the firewire
is much faster.
--
RZ
http://www.rzphotos.com
 

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