Thom Hogan
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D700 is a great news for Fuji FF hope
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Phillip Weaver
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I doubt that would hapen, but it would be nice;
Although I'd like D3 like high iso capabilities the truth is I rarely go above 1600 and the main thing I find lletting the s5 down is focus issues with certain lenses wide open and sample variation.
I know it's an old sensor design but I'm quite happy to pay for a better body like the d300 with the ability to fine tune the AF (and more than one cross sensor) and keep the current sensor, although I'm quite sure I'm in the minority.
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Although I'd like D3 like high iso capabilities the truth is I rarely go above 1600 and the main thing I find lletting the s5 down is focus issues with certain lenses wide open and sample variation.
I know it's an old sensor design but I'm quite happy to pay for a better body like the d300 with the ability to fine tune the AF (and more than one cross sensor) and keep the current sensor, although I'm quite sure I'm in the minority.
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Lobalobo
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Thom Hogan wrote:
Meanwhile, all the larger than compact stuff is being shopped to others.
I know, as you've stated repeatedly, no new Fuji sensor will sell unless it is an upgrade over the S5 (S3) sensor and that entails significant development cost. That said, adherents to the Fuji sensor would grow if the benefits of the Fuji sensor appeared in a Nikon-branded camera, wouldn't they? After all, aren't event photographers the largest segment of pro-level SLRs? That is, aren't there multiple wedding photographers for every fashon or product photographer? And don't the latter use higher-end cameras anyway, MF, e.g. So what explains the relative failure of the S5, which as you've said is generally so well reviewed (including by you) and seemingly ideal for event photographers? (As an aside, the forgiving SR sensor is ideal for another perhaps large segment--amateurs who have the cash to dabble in the $2500 range but lack the skill easily to replicate the S5 results with a CMOS sensor and PP; I put myself in this category.) I would have thought the failure of the S5 is a reluctance to buy into a product line that might not survive. If so, the the mistake, it would seem, was to brand the camera with Fuji rather than Nikon. That's easily fixed, no? In a nutshell, that Fuji can't make any money on their SLR camera line does not imply that Nikon can't, and it's a joint venture.
Meanwhile, all the larger than compact stuff is being shopped to others.
You and Andy appear to be the most knowledgeable voices on this forum and have the same opinion: no more Fuji DSLRs. Ok, but couldn't Nikon profitably meet the demand for the Fuji SR sensor (demand by those who highly value the extra dynamic range, easy overexposure recovery, and Fuji colors)?
I know, as you've stated repeatedly, no new Fuji sensor will sell unless it is an upgrade over the S5 (S3) sensor and that entails significant development cost. That said, adherents to the Fuji sensor would grow if the benefits of the Fuji sensor appeared in a Nikon-branded camera, wouldn't they? After all, aren't event photographers the largest segment of pro-level SLRs? That is, aren't there multiple wedding photographers for every fashon or product photographer? And don't the latter use higher-end cameras anyway, MF, e.g. So what explains the relative failure of the S5, which as you've said is generally so well reviewed (including by you) and seemingly ideal for event photographers? (As an aside, the forgiving SR sensor is ideal for another perhaps large segment--amateurs who have the cash to dabble in the $2500 range but lack the skill easily to replicate the S5 results with a CMOS sensor and PP; I put myself in this category.) I would have thought the failure of the S5 is a reluctance to buy into a product line that might not survive. If so, the the mistake, it would seem, was to brand the camera with Fuji rather than Nikon. That's easily fixed, no? In a nutshell, that Fuji can't make any money on their SLR camera line does not imply that Nikon can't, and it's a joint venture.
puddleduck
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It won't happen. The main S5 Pro party trick is the DR, and this is being "faked" by Nikon with Active D-Lighting and Canon with "Highlight Priority"
I say "faked" and use this word intentionally as both of these techniques use under exposure to preserve highlights, then use a curve / shadow boost to raise shadows to compensate for the under-exposure.
Why do they need to do this? Because neither the Canon or Nikon sensors have any more headroom in the highlights - they don't have any more DR as a result of this. However a lot of folks are happy with the end result.
Note: Active D-Lighting would not work, nor would it be appropriate in a Fuji SR camera. The shooting paradigm in different - we can over-expose to reduce shadow noise, and the sensor has the DR to be able to recover highlight information. Active D-Lighting is a technique used in sensors with limited highlight headroom.
Nikon would not use a Fuji sensor as many people are happy with the "look" of Active D-Lighting, and don't really care or understand that they don't have more DR at the sensor level.
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I say "faked" and use this word intentionally as both of these techniques use under exposure to preserve highlights, then use a curve / shadow boost to raise shadows to compensate for the under-exposure.
Why do they need to do this? Because neither the Canon or Nikon sensors have any more headroom in the highlights - they don't have any more DR as a result of this. However a lot of folks are happy with the end result.
Note: Active D-Lighting would not work, nor would it be appropriate in a Fuji SR camera. The shooting paradigm in different - we can over-expose to reduce shadow noise, and the sensor has the DR to be able to recover highlight information. Active D-Lighting is a technique used in sensors with limited highlight headroom.
Nikon would not use a Fuji sensor as many people are happy with the "look" of Active D-Lighting, and don't really care or understand that they don't have more DR at the sensor level.
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SteveMac
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Thom:
you are being very persuasively negative about Fuji, especially as I vaguely remember your being much more optimistic not too long ago...
However, when i say I'm hoping Fuji is noticing the number of people who want a full frame Fuji camera, it doesn't necessarily mean that i think those numbers add up to make economic sense, doesn't mean i imagine Fuji might suddenly ramp up development of a Fuji based D700 or D3... all of that is starting to look impossible based on your posts... and probably would be futile anyway as Fuji would always be viewed as a niche camera manufacturer.
What i do hope, is that Fuji does not abandon the sensor technology: as you say, they use their sensors across different markets... maybe not this Photokina, next PMA... but just so long as they pursue the technology... that's what i hope, because this race to make technological marvels is unfortunately sidelining their achievement, which was to offer the photographer something different, something that handles certain light better than any other DSLR.
What i hope right now is that Fuji is beginning to think laterally, and will come up with another way of keeping their sensor in the marketplace... not everyone uses DSLRs and perhaps there's another way of carrying a decent sized Fuji sensor based camera in your bag alongside your top of the range Nikon or Canon...
Although I doubt it, I also hope you're just out of Fuji's loop!
Cheers
Steve
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you are being very persuasively negative about Fuji, especially as I vaguely remember your being much more optimistic not too long ago...
However, when i say I'm hoping Fuji is noticing the number of people who want a full frame Fuji camera, it doesn't necessarily mean that i think those numbers add up to make economic sense, doesn't mean i imagine Fuji might suddenly ramp up development of a Fuji based D700 or D3... all of that is starting to look impossible based on your posts... and probably would be futile anyway as Fuji would always be viewed as a niche camera manufacturer.
What i do hope, is that Fuji does not abandon the sensor technology: as you say, they use their sensors across different markets... maybe not this Photokina, next PMA... but just so long as they pursue the technology... that's what i hope, because this race to make technological marvels is unfortunately sidelining their achievement, which was to offer the photographer something different, something that handles certain light better than any other DSLR.
What i hope right now is that Fuji is beginning to think laterally, and will come up with another way of keeping their sensor in the marketplace... not everyone uses DSLRs and perhaps there's another way of carrying a decent sized Fuji sensor based camera in your bag alongside your top of the range Nikon or Canon...
Although I doubt it, I also hope you're just out of Fuji's loop!
Cheers
Steve
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