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bobfloyd said:
and they don't serve anyone but the poster. Sorry, Carl, but this a
grade school trick.

I am a bit disappointed.

Bob
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Carl is an active participant of these forums. He also has a nice website with its own forums and some nice reviews done by Carl himself. It is fairly easy to see where Carl is coming from and what he likes and values in his photography equipment. Given this Carl's reaction to the A900 is of some value. If he said disappointed it would tell you something. If he said he had lukewarm feelings that would also tell you something. He said he is excited which tells me a little something and I don't think I will be disappointed with the A900.

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fjbyrne
 
... regular contributor or not; you're posting here to generate visitors to your sites. Prove me wrong by removing those pesky links in each and every post you make.

Am I pulling your leg or not? ;-)
 
So, are you suggesting that the sole purpose of this thread is to cause giggling?

Carl said Alpha users should be happy. “Why?” you ask? He wishes he can tell you, but he can’t. Either he doesn’t know, or he is skirting an NDA. And if he skirts an NDA, what will Sony think? And will he be included in the next one?

Does the forum need reassurance right now? Is the forum in a tailspin because we have all come to the conclusion that the flagship is a figment of our imagination and will never see the light of SonyStyle’s track lighting? No.

There is a building belief here that the long awaited flagship announcement will come sooner, not later. We have a base idea on specs. We have a timeframe and a logical point where is can be announced in that timeframe.

So, if there is no information he is allowed to share, or he doesn’t have any information, and if the forum is not in need of a “bump” in optimism, what is the purpose of the post? Lift the veil, man.

For the record: No, I do not think Carl did this to drive traffic.

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Refusing to take pictures of my cats.
 
Define "something". What is he telling you besides he has either signed an NDA or knows somebody who has and now has info that he will not share?

What would have to be on or off a Flagship for Carl to be lukewarm about it?

And, how do you know it is even a flagship he is referring too?

I'm just sayin.

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Refusing to take pictures of my cats.
 
Carl,

First, let me offer an apology for those who have taken a positive and have distorted it into a negative. Perhaps it is a reflection of their own personalities that is being seen here. One may view the glass as half full or half empty. I for one, see it as half full. With that positive viewpoint in mind I thank you for sharing your honest enthusiasm. The other posters of course have the right to a different opinion and to state it. However, I do not see any positive outcome from their fabrication of your motivation for posting.
Sincerely,
f8f8f8
 
Well, man, you are leaving EVERYTHING open to interpretation. So, you either "know" something or you're off your meds.

Personnally, I think it is kind of BS to start a thread like this and not be willing to share what you know.

If you promised somebody you would keep quiet about some info, either thru a formal agreement or an informal relationship, I personally think you should honor that trust. That line about "I wish I could say more but can't" makes this appear self-serving.

I do not think you are evil for doing it. I just question if you have thought it thru.

That's what I think.

chad

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Refusing to take pictures of my cats.
 
Ego-mind is in almost everything we speak, post, etc. ... so any mix of motives (conscious or not) in your post is just fine with me (I certainly can't throw stones!).

In looking over your responses, it appears as though the [information you've promised not to divulge] is written or spoken, and not based on actual experience with a camera. As such, it's just specs and/or claims (even if you actually got to use a camera for a useful period of time, I'd guess we have some differing priorities in camera assessment). For me, Sony's the "boy who cried wolf" until they pony up and show they can stand with the big boys (financial resources don't make a great camera). So for me your post has had interesting consequences, but none of them really relate to cameras.

I think it's time to go enjoy some picture posts!

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Rich

http://philosurfer.zenfolio.com/
 
I like you. You're a fine fellow indeed.

But whats the point of these 'I know something you don't and can't tell' posts?

Seriously, man. Throw something out there is you're not bound by anything - or say nothing.

Just my two cents. Not with hostility, but looking at all the reaction and...well...

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Tamron 28-75 2.8, Minolta 70-210 F4, Sigma 15-30
 
Chad Marek said:
Define "something". What is he telling you besides he has either
signed an NDA or knows somebody who has and now has info that he will
not share?
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I grant you he is telling me nothing specific. He is conveying a feeling of excitement. Carl has been excited about A700, 70-300 SSM and other things that I am impressed with. I am going to assume the A900 is in the vein of these which is good news to me.
Chad Marek said:
What would have to be on or off a Flagship for Carl to be lukewarm
about it?
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Nothing specific to point to. If it had a lot of compromises then I would guess it could be considered lukewarm. Again, more of a feeling than anything specific.
Chad Marek said:
And, how do you know it is even a flagship he is referring too?
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Carl's quote from the OP:

"The flagship is going to please.

Wish I could say more, a lot more. :( "
Chad Marek said:
I'm just sayin.
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Me too. I can see people seeing it both ways.
Chad Marek said:
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fjbyrne
 
beakydave said:
It could equally be said that not all forum users here appreciate
that there is no problem with Carl's post. It's only a problem if you
want to make it so. Like I said earlier, people will always find a
reason to complain - but that's life.
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" people will always find a reason to complain"

I agree 100% that someone will always take or FIND offence in something.

E.G. Recently, I had someone complain about the "name" my photo-gallery providers in New York called their site, like I got something to do with that!!

Can you believe the pettiness of some people???

Then he went on to diss my camera gear!!!

I'm NEVER more distressed with the "human condition" than what I find on the internet ....... heheheheheheehe!

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My sentiments exactly. I guess it's human nature that a certain segment of the population will be cynical by nature. Personally, I can appreciate your excitement and your wish to share that with friends. I have little to no interest in a FF camera, but I want to see Sony successful, and I want to see my fellow users happy. It's always more fun to read an upbeat forum than a depressed one. Folks should go take a look at the Nikon forum and the discussion of the new D700 this morning. Now that's an upbeat forum.
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Just for fun!

Jim
 
Maybe Sony SLR users have lost their minds. Feeling excluded and like a 2nd class citizen because one doesn't have privy to all information that Sony and others actually have regarding products is crazy. Especially when promises of good things to come basically gets a person kicked in the teeth.
 
With all due respect...

How do you know Carls motivation? There is no evidence one way or another to suggest what that motivation is.

On the surface, I view anyone who speaks openly about having information they are not allowed to share as being somewhat hungry for the attention that being an 'insider' brings. I hold no ill will towards Carl, but I have to really wonder how pure ones motivations are when they choose to make it known they have inside information, but they aren't willing to share. Given the nature of these forums, that is going to bring a typical response from those here. You shouldn't be surprised.

If I did have inside information that was shared to me by a trusted insider, I would keep not only the information to myself but I would keep the fact that I had it to myself. NDA or not.

As I've just told Carl, I like him. He's a nice guy and its a pleasure to read his messages. I think these sorts of threads are a mistake.
f8f8f8 said:
Carl,
First, let me offer an apology for those who have taken a positive
and have distorted it into a negative. Perhaps it is a reflection of
their own personalities that is being seen here. One may view the
glass as half full or half empty. I for one, see it as half full.
With that positive viewpoint in mind I thank you for sharing your
honest enthusiasm. The other posters of course have the right to a
different opinion and to state it. However, I do not see any positive
outcome from their fabrication of your motivation for posting.
Sincerely,
f8f8f8
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http://avicdar.com (my portfolio - please visit!)

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Alpha 700 / Sony-Zeiss 135 1.8, Sony-Zeiss 85 1.4, Minolta 50 1.7, Sony 35 1.4G,
Tamron 28-75 2.8, Minolta 70-210 F4, Sigma 15-30
 
tamch said:
it is not the question of move on or not. it is about there is a
problem about "i know something;i can't tell u; let get excited
together" kind of post. Obviously not all forum users here
appreciate that. So what is the point to spend reputation to do
this? Sooner or later all the reputation would be all spent.

p.s. to me Carl is a respectable person and i usually visit his
site. i wouldn't care to post this if i don't like or know him.

John
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Hi John,

I guess there were basically two responses from members of this forum. Either:

1. Thank you, Carl
2. Screw you, Carl

My initial reaction from the OP was Wow, great, hopefully we'll get some news shortly. Didn't for the life of me expect such a back lash of negative criticism. Huge thanks should go out to Bob, for explaining in detail WHY there is a backlash, honestly until the explaination.

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-Alex

From the minds of Minolta to the imagination of Sony, Alpha, like no other.

http://www.pbase.com/lonewolf69
 
Thanks Bob, I understand that there are improvements in the a700 over the original 7D.

I have seen and read the early arguments about the product produced by the a700. I do not wish to re-hash any of that.

Knowing what I know, and you know about the future a900 and the Nikon D3 and its successor, simply makes the a700 not the camera I want.

It's that simple for me, I am ready to go to a completely different level and I do not see the a700 taking me there.

Thanks for a pleasant exchange!

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Thanks,

Digitalshooter!

My first Digital Camera was a Sony Mavica!
 
Hmmmm, who fired the first shot?

"Selfish and immature, self-promotion from a position of advanced access to privileged information not available to the core membership is how I see it.

If you got something to say, then spill it out, .... otherwise ..... zip it!"

You've proved both my point and yours - thank you

Complaining about your site name? Where's the complaint? Just making the point about how appropriate it is in your case.

And diss your camera gear? What on earth led you to think that? There's some cracking items in there - I wasn't dissing the gear, just the obnoxious practice of listing it in every post. Petty? Perhaps, but no more so than your pathetic jibe towards Carl.
Stv said:
beakydave said:
It could equally be said that not all forum users here appreciate
that there is no problem with Carl's post. It's only a problem if you
want to make it so. Like I said earlier, people will always find a
reason to complain - but that's life.
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" people will always find a reason to complain"

I agree 100% that someone will always take or FIND offence in something.

E.G. Recently, I had someone complain about the "name" my
photo-gallery providers in New York called their site, like I got
something to do with that!!

Can you believe the pettiness of some people???

Then he went on to diss my camera gear!!!

I'm NEVER more distressed with the "human condition" than what I find
on the internet ....... heheheheheheehe!

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gallery : http://stv.smugmug.com/

SONY-A700/VG-C, SAL-70-200-SSMG, CZ-24-70-SSM, 17-35:2.8D, 11-18DT,
SAL-14TC, 50:1.7, 5600:HSD
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beakydave said:
Hmmmm, who fired the first shot?

"Selfish and immature, self-promotion from a position of advanced
access to privileged information not available to the core membership
is how I see it.

If you got something to say, then spill it out, .... otherwise .....
zip it!"

You've proved both my point and yours - thank you

Complaining about your site name? Where's the complaint? Just making
the point about how appropriate it is in your case.

And diss your camera gear? What on earth led you to think that?
There's some cracking items in there - I wasn't dissing the gear,
just the obnoxious practice of listing it in every post. Petty?
Perhaps, but no more so than your pathetic jibe towards Carl.
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Clearly, you should READ what you write BEFORE you hit the send button. Just because you know how to post on the INTERNET does not necessarily mean that you should.

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gallery : http://stv.smugmug.com/

SONY-A700/VG-C, SAL-70-200-SSMG, CZ-24-70-SSM, 17-35:2.8D, 11-18DT, SAL-14TC, 50:1.7, 5600:HSD
 
I had persmission for what I posted, which really is no real evidence of anything. Otherwise I wouldn't have posted what I did.

I also aplogized for not being able to contain my excitment to what I heard.

Maybe you are right Jim, maybe I shouldn't have posted anything. I am human, I was excited, I had permission to post "nothing, but something" and did so.

Bottom line, I felt an obligation to those here who await news to give what I could when I could.

One person got it exactly right. I only get excited about what I think is really good from Sony, therefore what I heard I got excited about and did what I could.

Hope that helps explain things.

Carl
 
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