Sony bashers' motivation?

Suddenly we get a new crop of Sony bashers on this forum. E.g. a700 v K20 threads etc. On closer inspection many of the bashers do not have a Sony, and who knows what they do have...we never see any photos from some of them.

Do they have a vested commercial interest in discouraging Sony purchasers? Do they think they can score a point on those who have already bought (and probably are not contemplating a change for a couple of years anyway).

I am sure that those of us long term Sony and KM users welcome rational discussion, even if we think it is a bit repitiious and not really relevent except to pixel peepers (Barry are you there, but we love you anyway), but these guys just seem to be there to upset and insult people.

Maybe that's how they get their kicks, maybe they made the wrong choice of camera and want to work out their inferiority complex, who knows?

I suggest that they take their ranting elsewhere, and let's get back to constructive comments and communication and make this forum be a useful place to be

let's go shoot some photos!!

tom

It matters not to me. I wont be getting the A700 or the K20d..so fire away folks! ;-) Say what you like.

Sure I see some pentax users chipping in..etc etc. Well its down to taste really.
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Sony have terrible brand image amongst DSLR customers.

I think its due to a various things depending on each person.

Things I can think of:

Terrible behavior from other sony divisions:

e.g: Music division infecting customers PCs with virus/rootkits in some sort of weird attempt at copy protection.

More bad experiences for customers due to much larger product range.
e.g. Customer may have had faulty sony tv, walkman etc.

A100 launch sucked, they will have a reputation for overpriced lenses for years due to completely insane lens pricing around the A100 launch. I remember the 70-200 costing $4999 where I live, its down to about $2600 now.

They also have a bad reputation from expensive memory stick products, expensive batteries etc.

they have a different opinion or taste .............guess we all know by now that there is no perfect camera.

but much can be gained by going out shoot and work on ur shooting technics.

i own several camera's and one Sony ( H1 ) lot of things are not brand related just shooter ability's.

dont worry to much about what others have to say .......it all comes to u must be happy with what u have ...........no matter what others have to say.

feel free to visit my flickr site there u will see examples what camera's can do no matter the brand used ..............i'm not a Pro or brand loyal i just like to get best out of anything i own ...........P&S DSLR Nikon/Canon/Sony i dont care.

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I can only speak for myself...but chipping in a Sony post where a Pentax is the competition has nothing to do with bashing. I'm only giving info from the other side, that is called communication.

I hope that there is room here in the Sony forum and off course other brand forums to let people be people with opinions and believes. If not then the conditions are for breeding hate and dislike for all others that are different. (Hmmm has to do something with history but i heard those dangerous attitude before).

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Richard Smals said:

I can only speak for myself...but chipping in a Sony post where a
Pentax is the competition has nothing to do with bashing. I'm only
giving info from the other side, that is called communication.

I hope that there is room here in the Sony forum and off course other
brand forums to let people be people with opinions and believes. If
not then the conditions are for breeding hate and dislike for all
others that are different. (Hmmm has to do something with history but
i heard those dangerous attitude before).

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Well, posts like:

"Your a lost cause and I wish not to speak to you and your tiny brain with your blind eyes."

( http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1037&thread=28405213&page=4 )

have nothing to do with "opinions and believes", "giving info from the other side" or "communication". They are rather an expression of a disturbed personality...

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piz gloria said:

Richard Smals said:

I can only speak for myself...but chipping in a Sony post where a
Pentax is the competition has nothing to do with bashing. I'm only
giving info from the other side, that is called communication.

I hope that there is room here in the Sony forum and off course other
brand forums to let people be people with opinions and believes. If
not then the conditions are for breeding hate and dislike for all
others that are different. (Hmmm has to do something with history but
i heard those dangerous attitude before).

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Well, posts like:

"Your a lost cause and I wish not to speak to you and your tiny brain
with your blind eyes."

( http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1037&thread=28405213&page=4 )

have nothing to do with "opinions and believes", "giving info from
the other side" or "communication". They are rather an expression of
a disturbed personality...

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You are sticking this mud on me! I didn't make any of those posts, but you feel the need to attach it here on my personal explanation. I said i can only speak for MYSELF...so i'm not pleased with your reply.

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Richard Smals said:

You are sticking this mud on me! I didn't make any of those posts,
but you feel the need to attach it here on my personal explanation. I
said i can only speak for MYSELF...so i'm not pleased with your reply.

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I never said that this "mud" was posted by you or that I meant you, I even provided a link, but you told us your opinion "let people be people with opinions and believes" and so you must be prepared that someone replies to that. As you say: it was a response to your "EXPLANATION" not to anything else you may or may not have posted!

which should I choose kinda thing---------then anybody can chime in. One does not have to bash Sony but certainly making a case for the other camera is a fair proposition.

Cheers,

José

Richard Smals said:

I can only speak for myself...but chipping in a Sony post where a
Pentax is the competition has nothing to do with bashing. I'm only
giving info from the other side, that is called communication.

I hope that there is room here in the Sony forum and off course other
brand forums to let people be people with opinions and believes. If
not then the conditions are for breeding hate and dislike for all
others that are different. (Hmmm has to do something with history but
i heard those dangerous attitude before).

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I have the deepest respect for all those people who like me.

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There will always be fanboys.

For the record: Saying Sony batteries are too expensive is not Sony "Bashing". They are expensive when compared to every other manufacturer.

Sony's lens prices were (and some still are) too expensive and there are not enough choices in stock.

Sony has a reputation among local camera stores for arrogance and being unwilling to support the local store in the ways that Canon and Nikon do. That is a fact, just stop at a few local stores and ask them why they don't carry Sony.

Criticizing Sony for adding noise reduction to raw files is not bashing, it is stating a fact and bringing an issue to light for discussion.

Sony dslrs are not the best at noise reduciton. No reason this subject should be taboo.

This isn't your forum and it isn't Sony's forum. Its DPreview's forum about Sony. If you don't like the rules, stop coming here. Start your own forum and make whatever rules you like.

tomhongkong said:

Suddenly we get a new crop of Sony bashers on this forum. E.g. a700
v K20 threads etc. On closer inspection many of the bashers do not
have a Sony, and who knows what they do have...we never see any
photos from some of them.

Do they have a vested commercial interest in discouraging Sony
purchasers? Do they think they can score a point on those who have
already bought (and probably are not contemplating a change for a
couple of years anyway).

I am sure that those of us long term Sony and KM users welcome
rational discussion, even if we think it is a bit repitiious and not
really relevent except to pixel peepers (Barry are you there, but we
love you anyway), but these guys just seem to be there to upset and
insult people.

Maybe that's how they get their kicks, maybe they made the wrong
choice of camera and want to work out their inferiority complex, who
knows?

I suggest that they take their ranting elsewhere, and let's get back
to constructive comments and communication and make this forum be a
useful place to be

let's go shoot some photos!!

tom

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José B said:

making a case for the other camera is a fair proposition.

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...have gone on record as stating that this is unacceptable to them. IIRC, the slogan was "post positive about Sony or do not post at all".

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I personally don't like what Sony will do, and has already started doing, to the DSLR market.

I'm one of those who thought Sony was the greatest brand, but then I got burned with a desktop computer with a failed motherboard... not a single component from that POS was usable on another computer!

Then not one, but TWO vaio laptops failed on me... Should have learned with the first, but I kept trusting Sony. Not anymore.

I believe Sony will start flooding the market with models that have very little difference between them (A100, A300 & A350) and keep going for the easy sale (lotsa megapixels) instead of actually helping people shoot better images.

Sure, they have Zeiss on their side, and that means a lot, but I honestly dislike Sony's approach to mass market products.

I know that Sony makes some professional video equipment, but that's certainly not the approach is seems to ba taking with DSLR's. To this day, I've yet to see a Sony DSLR that's recognized for it's image quality... pretty sad, isn't it?

Oh, and I actually shoot images... http://www.photo.net/photos/ifeito
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I dont say much. I am a Sony user. I am happy with my A100. But people should be able to speak their mind about the products a company puts out as long as they are fairly contrasted with the competition. It just so happened that when I decided to take this hobby up, about 2.5 years ago Sony introduced their DSLR and it competed , fairly well with the between Nikon D80 and the Canon Rebel. It felt good in may hand and had some unique features. So here I am with a collection of Sony lenses, a flash and I am "hooked" and Sony has made money.
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The Sony forum is full of roving non-user TROLLS solely intent on SONY bashing, purely for their own entertainment and anti-social motivations.

They are here because:

1/ you ask for them to be here
2/ you tolerate them
3/ you accept them
4/ you feed them
5/ you believe them
6/ you encourage them
7/ you defend them
and
8/ you're too weak to stand up to them

Now, I'm no Sony fan-boy, but I am a SONY user. That qualifies me to say anything I wish to about my choice of camera gear. Good or bad, right or wrong.

I don't need anyone in here who has never used nor owned my camera of choice to come in here and dissect my gear, having never walked a foot in my shoes. To allow this constant bashing criticism from competing and non-user-roving-TROLL-interlopers to dominate this forum is asking for everything you get.

So, you obviously like it, so get used to it.

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...I'm one of those bashers but not because I think that Sony's DSLR's are better or worse than the competition. I detest the Sony Corporation and avoid all of their products..televisions, clock radios, game consoles....you name it....if I can. They're a malevolent entity in the corporate world with no scruples and no self-restraint when it comes to maximising profits and marketshare. Sony brings to mind for me the ruthless Daniel Plainview character in the movie 'There will be Blood' and yes I'm aware of the possibility that Sony has a stake in the rights for that movie or that the cinematography was created with Sony equipment.

People are afraid of change and Sony does a lot of things that come across as arrogant. When Sony introduces a new technology that is genuinely better, people believe that they are trying to force new standards down everyone's throat for a premium price. This is pretty much true but without them, we would probably still be watching reel to reel movies on front projection TV's. So the haters help to keep pricing lower than what it could be.

Ignacio Feito said:

I personally don't like what Sony will do, and has already started
doing, to the DSLR market.

I'm one of those who thought Sony was the greatest brand, but then I
got burned with a desktop computer with a failed motherboard... not
a single component from that POS was usable on another computer!

Then not one, but TWO vaio laptops failed on me... Should have
learned with the first, but I kept trusting Sony. Not anymore.

I believe Sony will start flooding the market with models that have
very little difference between them (A100, A300 & A350) and keep
going for the easy sale (lotsa megapixels) instead of actually
helping people shoot better images.

Sure, they have Zeiss on their side, and that means a lot, but I
honestly dislike Sony's approach to mass market products.

I know that Sony makes some professional video equipment, but that's
certainly not the approach is seems to ba taking with DSLR's. To
this day, I've yet to see a Sony DSLR that's recognized for it's
image quality... pretty sad, isn't it?

Oh, and I actually shoot images... http://www.photo.net/photos/ifeito
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I think this post exemplifies the problem that Sony has. Sony is such a widespread company that makes so many products, and people take it so personally when a product fails on them, that Sony has quite a challenge in keeping people happy. Having worked in customer service for years earlier in life, I'm accustomed to products from big name brands failing. Taylor guitars, Oakley sunglasses, Boss and Line 6 guitar pedals, Marshall amplifiers, Fender Electric guitars and amps, Nike watches, The North Face outdoor equipment, any brand of high end PA equipment, etc.... I've seen customers storm off with such disapproval of these items that you'd swear that they're the worst made products in the world, but they're not. When a consumer saves hard earned money to buy this stuff, they expect perfection, and, frankly, NO high end equipment manufacturer is able to do that. To me it's silly to say, well brand X is awful because I bought this, this and this, which all failed. You have to look at the overall numbers to get a good glimpse of who is making quality equipment, and Sony is usually at or near the top of reliability in most things that they make.

So, basically, there are a few posters that got burned by Sony, and they make it a point to bash the brand whenever possible, but it's because of personal experience, not a long view, and they shouldn't be taken seriously. The same kind of people exist for Samsung, LG, and yes....even Canon.

The other kind of Sony hater is around because they hate Sony's coporate mentality, which is hilarious, because what DSLR maker isn't a huge corporate entity at this point? I'm sure Canon is around to feed the poor, lol.

p.s. dpreview is about the ONLY review site that doesn't recognize the A700 for it's image quality

Tim in upstate NY said:

...I'm one of those bashers but not because I think that Sony's
DSLR's are better or worse than the competition. I detest the Sony
Corporation and avoid all of their products..televisions, clock
radios, game consoles....you name it....if I can. They're a
malevolent entity in the corporate world with no scruples and no
self-restraint when it comes to maximising profits and marketshare.
Sony brings to mind for me the ruthless Daniel Plainview character in
the movie 'There will be Blood' and yes I'm aware of the possibility
that Sony has a stake in the rights for that movie or that the
cinematography was created with Sony equipment.

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I have no problem with your opinion of Sony but you have just described a corporation that is no different from any other. Maximizing profits and marketshare is what they have to do as a publicly traded company. The DSLR market aside, you are missing out on some great products.