Reading mode: Light Dark

Firewire readers fail in Win2K?

Go to last post
Chris Dodkin said:
Greg,

get real!

Canon put Firewire on the 1D, and every DV Cam manufacturer uses it...
Click to expand...
Duh! Did I not say that firewire has had no competition up to now????? It was the only useful option til now. What do you think that they are going to use once all of the PCs being made come with USB 2.0? This will be the case in the near future. It's pure marketing. They will cater to what most people will have, USB 2.0.
Member said:
So are Canon wrong, is that what you're saying?
Click to expand...
No they were not. However things change and now that USB 2.0 has finally arrived manufacturers of devices will begin to make the change from firewire to USB 2.0.

Why you ask? Because more people will be able to take advantage of USB 2.0 then firewire. I'd certainly gear my product for the larger market.
Member said:
And your comments about limited options are completely bogus.
Click to expand...
Typical Mac user with his head in the sand. You can honestly say that everything available for the PC is available for the Mac? I didn't think so.
Member said:
I have a perfectly valid point REF Firewire compatibility and
Windows, as per several posts on this thread, so let's leave it at
that.
Click to expand...
Some have had problems and some have not.
Member said:
Chris.

--
http://www.d30-images.com
[email protected]
Click to expand...
 
F.U. Bee...I work for Microsoft and while I'm not in the support division I would be glad to see if I can assist in finding a solution. Can you send me an email to [email protected] with your email address? I have a couple of specific questions for you that I'll take offline so we don't bore everyone with the specific details and we can post a wrap up if we get the issue solved to the forum so everyone can benefit, sound like a plan?

Thanks!

Joe...
F.U. Bee said:
I've tried three different firewire readers, three different
firewire adapters, in three different computers! The same problem
in all (in Win2K). The reader will work when the machine is turned
on, but when left for a day or so, the reader are no longer
"active," and one must pull out the cord in the back on the PC and
reinsert it. Sometimes this works; other times, a reboot is
required.

What's up??????? Scoured the net for this topic. Nothing.
Click to expand...
 
Thanks, Joe. Message has been sent.
Joe Wilson said:
Thanks!

Joe...
F.U. Bee said:
I've tried three different firewire readers, three different
firewire adapters, in three different computers! The same problem
in all (in Win2K). The reader will work when the machine is turned
on, but when left for a day or so, the reader are no longer
"active," and one must pull out the cord in the back on the PC and
reinsert it. Sometimes this works; other times, a reboot is
required.

What's up??????? Scoured the net for this topic. Nothing.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
F.U. Bee said:
And wouldn't a reformat solve thisproblem?

That's been done many times.

No luck.
Click to expand...
Ummm, yup it should. What options are you considering? XP (yuk), USB 2.0, PCMCIA PC slots? These are obviously more resonable then Chris' suggestion which could easily cost over $3000 by the time you got done.
 
How about taking the card out of the camera and using a USB reader or PC PCMCIA slots? Then you can take the $3000 you just saved by not going to the Mac and buy some lenses!!!!!
 
Chris Dodkin said:
we have a Firewire issue here, not a USBII issue, or a Firewire II
issue.
Click to expand...
Errm... Assuming there was an issue to begin with... The conclusion seems to be 'user error' in this case.
Member said:
So who cares! It's a tool that works!!
Click to expand...
Sure, but I only need to buy a firewire card (and/or USB 2.0 card) to get the same functionality for my PC.

As I tried pointing out, upgrading to a new computer or indeed different platform every time you hit a minor snag (I'm not even sure the original problem qualify as a "snag") is rather expensive in the end, and you run the risk of having to do so every two months (regardless of what platform you chose the last time).

This has nothing to do with the particular kind of users we're talking about. It's all in the hardware, bits'n'bytes and always has been. Show me a computer that is trouble free, and I'll point out that the powercord isn't plugged in.

In short: What will you do if/when a strange problem occur with your Mac? Change hardware platform again? (or wait for me to tell you that "oh, this works right out of the box with any PC!" and then switch?)

--
Rune
 
Rune Moberg said:
Rune Moberg said:
The conclusion seems to be 'user error' in this case.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Wrong. This user is savvy.

Not sure how you read that conclusion anyway. The conclusion is "no one has a clue; Microsoft and Lexar are both looking into it."
Rune Moberg said:
Chris Dodkin said:
we have a Firewire issue here, not a USBII issue, or a Firewire II
issue.
Click to expand...
Errm... Assuming there was an issue to begin with... The conclusion
seems to be 'user error' in this case.
Rune Moberg said:
So who cares! It's a tool that works!!
Click to expand...
Sure, but I only need to buy a firewire card (and/or USB 2.0 card)
to get the same functionality for my PC.

As I tried pointing out, upgrading to a new computer or indeed
different platform every time you hit a minor snag (I'm not even
sure the original problem qualify as a "snag") is rather expensive
in the end, and you run the risk of having to do so every two
months (regardless of what platform you chose the last time).

This has nothing to do with the particular kind of users we're
talking about. It's all in the hardware, bits'n'bytes and always
has been. Show me a computer that is trouble free, and I'll point
out that the powercord isn't plugged in.

In short: What will you do if/when a strange problem occur with
your Mac? Change hardware platform again? (or wait for me to tell
you that "oh, this works right out of the box with any PC!" and
then switch?)

--
Rune
Click to expand...
 
My solution is still a lot cheaper
Member said:
then yours - I suggest to upgrade the OS (120$) - you are
suggesting for him to switch systems ($$$$$$)???
Click to expand...
And why don't switch to Linux, then? It's the cheapest of both, and comes with a free image processing package (have you ever tried Gimp?).

MacOS X may be imperfect, but surely more functional than XP:

Athlon XP 1800+ w ATI Radeon 8500 graphic and XP Pro: 3 restart in 1/2 an hour.

iMac 800 Superdrive w MacOS X: 23 days of uptime (and only a restart for security...)

Think Different

---

---> Matteo Barducci
 
Matteo Barducci said:
Matteo Barducci said:
then yours - I suggest to upgrade the OS (120$) - you are
suggesting for him to switch systems ($$$$$$)???
Click to expand...
And why don't switch to Linux, then? It's the cheapest of both, and
comes with a free image processing package (have you ever tried
Gimp?).

MacOS X may be imperfect, but surely more functional than XP:

Athlon XP 1800+ w ATI Radeon 8500 graphic and XP Pro: 3 restart in
1/2 an hour.
Click to expand...
What motherboard, ram, power supply, bios settings, CPU heatsink ... there are many things that affect stability no matter what platform you choose. Your comparison here is pathetic. And about the so called superdrive, how fast, I mean slow is it?
Matteo Barducci said:
iMac 800 Superdrive w MacOS X: 23 days of uptime (and only a
restart for security...)

Think Different

---

---> Matteo Barducci
Click to expand...
 
Seems like the hardware/OS is restricting the workflow in this case.

Not really an ideal situation, I'm sure that using native Firewire would be a preferable option.

Still, you can have fun reformatting the hard drive, installing various OS versions, buying new USB card readers etc...

Beats taking photos any day...............

--
http://www.d30-images.com
[email protected]
 
..although the slur on your abilities from your fellow PC users must hurt :)

However, many new and potential users read these posts, and I'm sure they will draw their own conclusions about which solution provided a working option in this case.

I will, as ever, be happy to provide information to anyone seeking an alternative to the 'vastly superior' PC platform for their photographic needs.

I'm happy to spend my time taking and processing photographs with my D30s, rather than fixing my computer.

Chris.

--
http://www.d30-images.com
[email protected]
 
Lexar and ADS Pyro seem to be the most popular and most people have gotten them to work. I've read that 1394 adapters using TI or Lucent chips are the most compatible.

I kept losing one of my optical drives the same way (unwakeable deep sleeping), and solved the problem by carefully reinstalling M/B chipset drivers, storage system drivers, optical drive utility software, and CD mastering S/W.
F.U. Bee said:
I've tried three different firewire readers, three different
firewire adapters, in three different computers! The same problem
in all (in Win2K). The reader will work when the machine is turned
on, but when left for a day or so, the reader are no longer
"active," and one must pull out the cord in the back on the PC and
reinsert it. Sometimes this works; other times, a reboot is
required.

What's up??????? Scoured the net for this topic. Nothing.
Click to expand...
 
Chris Dodkin said:
Poor old Rune, he MUST be stupid.......
Click to expand...
Or simply: I have worked in a customer support capacity. (we software developers are unfortunately not always 100% shielded from the wrath of our customers -- fortunately the number of "mysterious" incidents has dropped dramatically after most users have migrated from Win9x/ME to the NT/2000 platform)

I simply got the impression that the original poster didn't even know about the "Eject" action (as per a posting in this very thread IIRC), and it looked like this had made a difference in other cases.

That aside Chris, there's also the option that this fault entirely belongs to the manufacturer of the Firewire reader. I notice that Lexar has a Macintosh driver. Would you blame Apple if Lexar's driver messed up your system?

--
Rune
 
What in the world does this have to do with my post?
Chris Dodkin said:
Seems like the hardware/OS is restricting the workflow in this case.

Not really an ideal situation, I'm sure that using native Firewire
would be a preferable option.
Click to expand...
I always pull the card out of the camera anyways. I also never bought any firewire devices because I knew that USB 2.0 would be out and will replace firewire because that is what the PC industry will support.
Member said:
Still, you can have fun reformatting the hard drive, installing
various OS versions, buying new USB card readers etc...

Beats taking photos any day...............

--
http://www.d30-images.com
[email protected]
Click to expand...
 
Chris Dodkin said:
I will, as ever, be happy to provide information to anyone seeking
an alternative to the 'vastly superior' PC platform for their
photographic needs.
Click to expand...
It is superior.

It is the platform of choice.

It is the standard.

Also, for those of us with limited funds, it allows us to spend less on the computer and more on Photography toys.
 
Ha ha ha. Very good John. Hey, I don't think anyone is saying a Mac is a piece of junk. I had one. It's a fine piece of equipment but.............John has a valid point. Switch to a Mac if you do a specific job. For example if all you're going to use the computer for is process your digital photos, then get one. It will do a great job. However, most of us here use our computers for many other things too and when I had my Mac it was very frustrating all the time to hear that "they don't make that for the Mac" statement. I think the suggestion to switch to a Mac to solve a firewire problem is stupid. What you would be doing is buying a $3000 card reader. Doesn't seem like a good deal to me.

Walt
JohnM said:
Here we go again with the Mac drivel. There are fewer issues with
a Mac?? Of course there are, only about 10% of the neat stuff
available works in a Mac!!

I can't imagine everytime a great new software comes out having to
ask with baited breath"does it work in a Mac??"

I rest my case :-)

-John
Click to expand...
 
Greg M said:
What motherboard, ram, power supply, bios settings, CPU heatsink
... there are many things that affect stability no matter what
platform you choose. Your comparison here is pathetic. And about
the so called superdrive, how fast, I mean slow is it?
Click to expand...
Dear Greg,

These things only affect stability on a Wintel platform. I used both for about 17 years and Macs never had problems with stuff you elencated. I need machines to work, and I cannot waste time with trying to get the components working together with a pathetical OS like Windows. And concerning the Superdrive, it's also known as Pioneer DVR-104 (A04) DVD writer... Maybe can be slow on writing CDs (altough I never burnt out one...), but I do DVDs and red book audio CDs (I has a recording studio) and EVERY people I gave it was able to read with their consumer home equipment.

Regards,
---

---> Matteo Barducci
 
The problem with that Athlon machine is the XP Pro OS.

Your Mac was up for 23 days in a row. WOW.

My Athlon Win2K machine has been up and running great for 11 MONTHS without a reboot except for 2 or 3 software installations that required it. I also have USB, USB 2.0 and Firewire installed with card readers attached. I have an external USB 2.0 hard drive and USB scanner. There is a DSL modem hooked to a NIC card and a DSL router. NO PROBLEMS.

I admit I never had a problem with the Mac I had but then I had it only 2 months until I decided to go back to PC's.

Linux is very stable when set up right however, you're worse off than you are with a Mac. There are like two or three retail packages for Linux. It could become as popular as the Mac OS but then that's not getting anywhere either.

Walt
Matteo Barducci said:
And why don't switch to Linux, then? It's the cheapest of both, and
comes with a free image processing package (have you ever tried
Gimp?).

MacOS X may be imperfect, but surely more functional than XP:

Athlon XP 1800+ w ATI Radeon 8500 graphic and XP Pro: 3 restart in
1/2 an hour.

iMac 800 Superdrive w MacOS X: 23 days of uptime (and only a
restart for security...)

Think Different

---

---> Matteo Barducci
Click to expand...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Keyboard shortcuts

f
Forum
m
My threads
Mobile site
About
Editorial content
Cameras & Lenses
Community
All content, design, and layout are Copyright © 1998–2025 Digital Photography Review All Rights Reserved.
Reproduction in whole or part in any form or medium without specific written permission is prohibited.
When you use DPReview links to buy products, the site may earn a commission.
©GPS Media - Guides, Products, Services.
Back
Top