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In China P & E imaging show, Press interview China Canon Imaging General Manager...below is interesting point ..

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Reporter: We knew Sony very long before already announced already had now developed high-end CMOS the product, moreover the target also announced that like this is also a very good strategy, lets the media, the users have the anticipation, Canon can at the suitable time disclose that oneself next step surpasses above 20MP, most high-end product series?

China Canon Imaging Genaral manager: In March 7, we conducted Canon camera's release conference, at that time our HQ corporation has come regarding the technical high-level staff, regarding this he has made the very detailed briefing. Canon development next generation's CMOS already had the very long time, and has the self-confidence very much in this aspect, already succeeded develops 50,000,000 picture element samples, now entered the sample in production base, this kind of CMOS can reduce the disturbance large scale. Moreover, takes our company's operational policy, the photosensitive part does not sell to other companies, estimated that will continue from now on also to use this procedure.

Original link..in chinese language.
http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/305/305401.shtml in pages 2 .
 
In China P & E imaging show, Press interview China Canon Imaging General Manager...below is interesting point ..
Translate using Bablefish

Reporter: We knew Sony very long before already announced already had now developed high-end CMOS the product, moreover the target also announced that like this is also a very good strategy, lets the media, the users have the anticipation, Canon can at the suitable time disclose that oneself next step surpasses above 20MP, most high-end product series?

China Canon Imaging Genaral manager: In March 7, we conducted Canon camera's release conference, at that time our HQ corporation has come regarding the technical high-level staff, regarding this he has made the very detailed briefing. Canon development next generation's CMOS already had the very long time, and has the self-confidence very much in this aspect, already succeeded develops 50MP image sensor sample, now entered the sample in production base, this kind of CMOS can reduce the disturbance large scale. Moreover, takes our company's operational policy, the photosensitive part does not sell to other companies, estimated that will continue from now on also to use this procedure.

Original link..in chinese language.
http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/305/305401.shtml in pages 2 .
 
...of photometry??? Was it improved tremendously for great justice or did they say: "Sony/Nikon, you have no chance to survive make your time"??

J/K ;P

Seriously, this 50MP sensor that can be made in one pass of the new photolithographic equipment was already reported last year at the Northlight site. The question is when would they release it in a cam? 2009/10, with the 1DsMk4?

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Wow, if it's true then 50MP is getting closer to the human eye light receptor density of 126M. Of course FF eyeball is smaller than FF 35MM.
 
Besides this was old news, if I was going to chinese or thai fora posting almost unreadable automated translations, how would you feel about that? Instead you could have tried to describe the topic by yourself and provide a link to the translation. This would at least have shown your motivation to improve your english writing skills. I don't like to read posts of a brainless machine. If I wanted to, I know where to find Babelfish, Google, etc.

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Uh, I mean PixMantra.
waja said:
In China P & E imaging show, Press interview China Canon Imaging
General Manager...below is interesting point ..

Translate using Bablefish

Reporter: We knew Sony very long before already announced already had
now developed high-end CMOS the product, moreover the target also
announced that like this is also a very good strategy, lets the
media, the users have the anticipation, Canon can at the suitable
time disclose that oneself next step surpasses above 20MP, most
high-end product series?

China Canon Imaging Genaral manager: In March 7, we conducted Canon
camera's release conference, at that time our HQ corporation has come
regarding the technical high-level staff, regarding this he has made
the very detailed briefing. Canon development next generation's CMOS
already had the very long time, and has the self-confidence very much
in this aspect, already succeeded develops 50,000,000 picture element
samples, now entered the sample in production base, this kind of CMOS
can reduce the disturbance large scale. Moreover, takes our company's
operational policy, the photosensitive part does not sell to other
companies, estimated that will continue from now on also to use this
procedure.

Original link..in chinese language.
http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/305/305401.shtml in pages 2 .
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.. doesn't mean much. They don't have a roadmap, they
don't give meaningful (taking commitments) hints. People
can only guess basing their predictions mainly on production
cycles, looking at the history. Even if I do believe this might
be miles away in terms of time, it is only a subject of speculation.

So for me this is basically empty message, more like an ego trip.

Ivar
 
ihv said:
They don't have a roadmap...
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...that they share with those outside of the corporation.

The history of business has proven that it's not always the best idea for a technology company to share what's going to be released after the current fiscal quarter. People tend to stop buying the current offerings if they're absolutely certain of exactly what's coming at some later point.

This is not to say that I don't wish the situation was different. I want to know what they're going to release (they might get $8000 from me tomorrow if I knew today what they're going to release within the next few months), but I fully understand why they won't tell me until they're ready to tell me.

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I believe what he's saying:

50MP is not a technical issue, they've already passed that and is now at prototype production phase. a 50MP Cmos has high noise reduction (or very low noise) characteristic.

It's mostly public available info, do think he'll tell you anything other than he's authorized to say.
 
The regional director state that the 50 MP COMS is already pass the prototype sample test. Now they are producing several Production testing units. Before, they will not share this technology with any one on the market, so is in the future...

I once Sony and Nikon announce new FX sensor with body prototype, Canon will just shoot out the news and take the lead again...
 
OK - if Canon has this 50 mega baby then what will happen is they will need to bring out new glass as the 1ds 3 already has a sensor that is putting considerable on the performance of the existing lenses!!
 
OK - if Canon has this 50 mega baby then what will happen is they will need to bring out new glass as the 1ds 3 already has a sensor that is putting considerable """STRAIN""" on the performance of the existing lenses!!
 
That sort of sensor would out-resolve every zoom in Canon's current arsenal and pretty much 75% of their primes too.

It's not Canon's fault per-se, it's just that the mega pixel war has pushed lens optical quality further and faster than anyone could have belived only 10 years ago. In a SLR/lens line up, 10 years is a very short period of time. Many lenses take 10-15 year to recoup their tooling and development costs before they make a profit.

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GazzaJagman said:
Many lenses take 10-15 year to recoup their
tooling and development costs before they make a profit.
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Might be true for an EF 1200L. Or a 50 f1.0L.

I am pretty sure for the vast majority of Canon lenses it is more like 10-15 weeks. Might even be 10-15 days. But then, neither one of us are privy to Canon's accounting sheets.
 
GazzaJagman said:
That sort of sensor would out-resolve every zoom in Canon's current
arsenal and pretty much 75% of their primes too.
It's not Canon's fault per-se, it's just that the mega pixel war has
pushed lens optical quality further and faster than anyone could have
belived only 10 years ago. In a SLR/lens line up, 10 years is a very
short period of time. Many lenses take 10-15 year to recoup their
tooling and development costs before they make a profit.
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depends if they use all the pixels for output.

you could for instance:

1) simple binning to reduce random noise.

2) varying exposure (1/2 the pixels at 1 to 2 stops lower ISO, the other half at normal ISO)

in both cases the aggergate "super-pixel" result is either better ISO handling, or increased DR.

having that many pixels allows for creative uses far exceeding what they can do now.

you can already see that canon is thinking along those lines at least from the first version tossed out there method by all the cameras having sRAW now.
 
You could even have multiple binning types for various sRAW formats. A halving of the linear resolution by binning would net a 12.5 MP image combining 4 pixels into one. Stretch that to the next step, and you get a 5.5 MP image by binning 9:1. The multi-ISO idea is intriguing, but how would you avoid aliasing artifacts?
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Victor Engel said:
You could even have multiple binning types for various sRAW formats.
A halving of the linear resolution by binning would net a 12.5 MP
image combining 4 pixels into one. Stretch that to the next step, and
you get a 5.5 MP image by binning 9:1. The multi-ISO idea is
intriguing, but how would you avoid aliasing artifacts?
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how i'd do it is that both images are processed first and independantly, and then recombined as a quasi HDR after the fact. software should be able to take the two and combine them and fill in the holes as required.

not sure if it's even possible, but with that amount of real estate in quanity it does allow for clever uses.
 
if canon can make 50mp sensor as clean as d3

it will be a good news, otherwish, huh~ piexl war? i am not interested............

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hoping: Canon 135 f1.8/1.6 IS USM + Guide Number 80， New Handle Mount Flash
 
slower than sony+zeiss or nikon
at least last year, much slower.............

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2007 Lynx Award;)

Best Lens:za 135 1.8 (lens for dimlight portrait, shutter speed can be very low to brighten background with sony A700)

hoping: Canon 135 f1.8/1.6 IS USM + Guide Number 80， New Handle Mount Flash
 
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