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You can use ISO3200 max to capture night view, don't worry about noise, becuase no many camera can shot ISO3200, also it is easy to remove noise from you night view photos.
--Tips

"Quantum Mechanic Pro" is a good tool to remove noise, it is a photoshop plugin, I have it, to remove my Kodak DCS 200 night view noise. You can visit my web site, then you will know what I am talking about.

I think D1H does better than D1x low noise photo, but resolution...

http://www.pbase.com/jkei
GoldenHammer said:
I spent most of my time with the F707 in night shots and always at
the peak to take the night view of the victoria habour.

I am planning to the peak again in a good night and capture the
beauty of the habour view ... :D

GH
James said:
May be not.
GoldenHammer said:
James said:
GoldenHammer said:
I hope my photography skill are at the same class.... :D
Click to expand...
You hope means you are not yet?
Click to expand...
Yes. I think my skill still have not that comprehensive to work out
the most of my D1x yet....maybe just at the rate of 70%... :D
GoldenHammer said:
Unlike you, D1 & D1x was my pass toys, my new target will be Contax
N digital, but I hear a lot bad comment before release, still will
give a try when it hit the market. For the time being, I have
nothing on digital, so still playing N film body.
Click to expand...
You mentioned before that you hate the dust problem with D1x and
would consider something else.

Once I have consider all the DSLR available, 1D, D60, D1x,
D1h...and I finally picked the D1x, and it is still not the moment
for Contax N digital for I would only consider it at its 2nd
generation.
GoldenHammer said:
oh, by the way, I still have a Kodak DCS 200 (Nkon iF801s film
body), it is a 10 years old SLR digital camera;



It is very difficult to shot good photo with this DSLR, you have to
be very good in control of lighting with this old DSLR, in order to
get a good photo.
But I have skill, so no problem.
Click to expand...
When you have practice with the tools with you for many years, it
will become the extension part of your body... you will just master
it very well... :D
GoldenHammer said:
Good luck with your D1x, hope you will continuous playing D1x for
few yrs, becuase others are not matter yet, Until D2 (full fame
size CCD).
Click to expand...
I don't stick myself on a particular product or brand name, the D2
and Contax DN would be my next targets for upgrade. If D2
disappointed me, I would surely switch to the Contax... :D

GH
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Thank you. I will try that tool.... it seems useful for processing low night indoors shots.

I have tried handheld capture the victoria habour night scene at iso400. The result is acceptable. In general for serious shot, with the tripod on, I would prefer to use longer exposure at 3-4s and keep the iso level as low as possible.

Yes. D1h is nice for those sport photography which means speed and speed... its noise level is great...

GH
James said:
I think D1H does better than D1x low noise photo, but resolution...

http://www.pbase.com/jkei
GoldenHammer said:
I spent most of my time with the F707 in night shots and always at
the peak to take the night view of the victoria habour.

I am planning to the peak again in a good night and capture the
beauty of the habour view ... :D

GH
James said:
May be not.
GoldenHammer said:
James said:
James Kei said:
I hope my photography skill are at the same class.... :D
Click to expand...
You hope means you are not yet?
Click to expand...
Yes. I think my skill still have not that comprehensive to work out
the most of my D1x yet....maybe just at the rate of 70%... :D
James Kei said:
Unlike you, D1 & D1x was my pass toys, my new target will be Contax
N digital, but I hear a lot bad comment before release, still will
give a try when it hit the market. For the time being, I have
nothing on digital, so still playing N film body.
Click to expand...
You mentioned before that you hate the dust problem with D1x and
would consider something else.

Once I have consider all the DSLR available, 1D, D60, D1x,
D1h...and I finally picked the D1x, and it is still not the moment
for Contax N digital for I would only consider it at its 2nd
generation.
James Kei said:
oh, by the way, I still have a Kodak DCS 200 (Nkon iF801s film
body), it is a 10 years old SLR digital camera;



It is very difficult to shot good photo with this DSLR, you have to
be very good in control of lighting with this old DSLR, in order to
get a good photo.
But I have skill, so no problem.
Click to expand...
When you have practice with the tools with you for many years, it
will become the extension part of your body... you will just master
it very well... :D
James Kei said:
Good luck with your D1x, hope you will continuous playing D1x for
few yrs, becuase others are not matter yet, Until D2 (full fame
size CCD).
Click to expand...
I don't stick myself on a particular product or brand name, the D2
and Contax DN would be my next targets for upgrade. If D2
disappointed me, I would surely switch to the Contax... :D

GH
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Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
You need Nikon SB-80DX flash! Don't use SB50DX or SB28DX.

High ISO noise are difference than Longer exposure noise. I personal don't like long exposure noise, it is random, difficult to remove. Where high ISO noise is easy to remove, also the image are more sharp. You will find out soon. I think you have have Capture 2 software for RAW right. I use Capture 2 software to reprocess my D1 RAW, the color come out so nice than it was JPG stright out from old D1.
GoldenHammer said:
I have tried handheld capture the victoria habour night scene at
iso400. The result is acceptable. In general for serious shot, with
the tripod on, I would prefer to use longer exposure at 3-4s and
keep the iso level as low as possible.

Yes. D1h is nice for those sport photography which means speed and
speed... its noise level is great...

GH
James said:
I think D1H does better than D1x low noise photo, but resolution...

http://www.pbase.com/jkei
GoldenHammer said:
I spent most of my time with the F707 in night shots and always at
the peak to take the night view of the victoria habour.

I am planning to the peak again in a good night and capture the
beauty of the habour view ... :D

GH
James said:
May be not.
GoldenHammer said:
James said:
GoldenHammer said:
I hope my photography skill are at the same class.... :D
Click to expand...
You hope means you are not yet?
Click to expand...
Yes. I think my skill still have not that comprehensive to work out
the most of my D1x yet....maybe just at the rate of 70%... :D
GoldenHammer said:
Unlike you, D1 & D1x was my pass toys, my new target will be Contax
N digital, but I hear a lot bad comment before release, still will
give a try when it hit the market. For the time being, I have
nothing on digital, so still playing N film body.
Click to expand...
You mentioned before that you hate the dust problem with D1x and
would consider something else.

Once I have consider all the DSLR available, 1D, D60, D1x,
D1h...and I finally picked the D1x, and it is still not the moment
for Contax N digital for I would only consider it at its 2nd
generation.
GoldenHammer said:
oh, by the way, I still have a Kodak DCS 200 (Nkon iF801s film
body), it is a 10 years old SLR digital camera;



It is very difficult to shot good photo with this DSLR, you have to
be very good in control of lighting with this old DSLR, in order to
get a good photo.
But I have skill, so no problem.
Click to expand...
When you have practice with the tools with you for many years, it
will become the extension part of your body... you will just master
it very well... :D
GoldenHammer said:
Good luck with your D1x, hope you will continuous playing D1x for
few yrs, becuase others are not matter yet, Until D2 (full fame
size CCD).
Click to expand...
I don't stick myself on a particular product or brand name, the D2
and Contax DN would be my next targets for upgrade. If D2
disappointed me, I would surely switch to the Contax... :D

GH
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--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
 
I use capture 2 as well.

I used the Dark Frame Substraction to remove long exposure noise. For the exposure under 6s, D1x seems not returning any visiable noise, thats the point I normally keep at.

GH
James said:
High ISO noise are difference than Longer exposure noise. I
personal don't like long exposure noise, it is random, difficult to
remove. Where high ISO noise is easy to remove, also the image are
more sharp. You will find out soon. I think you have have Capture 2
software for RAW right. I use Capture 2 software to reprocess my D1
RAW, the color come out so nice than it was JPG stright out from
old D1.
GoldenHammer said:
I have tried handheld capture the victoria habour night scene at
iso400. The result is acceptable. In general for serious shot, with
the tripod on, I would prefer to use longer exposure at 3-4s and
keep the iso level as low as possible.

Yes. D1h is nice for those sport photography which means speed and
speed... its noise level is great...

GH
James said:
I think D1H does better than D1x low noise photo, but resolution...

http://www.pbase.com/jkei
GoldenHammer said:
I spent most of my time with the F707 in night shots and always at
the peak to take the night view of the victoria habour.

I am planning to the peak again in a good night and capture the
beauty of the habour view ... :D

GH
James said:
May be not.
GoldenHammer said:
James said:
James Kei said:
I hope my photography skill are at the same class.... :D
Click to expand...
You hope means you are not yet?
Click to expand...
Yes. I think my skill still have not that comprehensive to work out
the most of my D1x yet....maybe just at the rate of 70%... :D
James Kei said:
Unlike you, D1 & D1x was my pass toys, my new target will be Contax
N digital, but I hear a lot bad comment before release, still will
give a try when it hit the market. For the time being, I have
nothing on digital, so still playing N film body.
Click to expand...
You mentioned before that you hate the dust problem with D1x and
would consider something else.

Once I have consider all the DSLR available, 1D, D60, D1x,
D1h...and I finally picked the D1x, and it is still not the moment
for Contax N digital for I would only consider it at its 2nd
generation.
James Kei said:
oh, by the way, I still have a Kodak DCS 200 (Nkon iF801s film
body), it is a 10 years old SLR digital camera;



It is very difficult to shot good photo with this DSLR, you have to
be very good in control of lighting with this old DSLR, in order to
get a good photo.
But I have skill, so no problem.
Click to expand...
When you have practice with the tools with you for many years, it
will become the extension part of your body... you will just master
it very well... :D
James Kei said:
Good luck with your D1x, hope you will continuous playing D1x for
few yrs, becuase others are not matter yet, Until D2 (full fame
size CCD).
Click to expand...
I don't stick myself on a particular product or brand name, the D2
and Contax DN would be my next targets for upgrade. If D2
disappointed me, I would surely switch to the Contax... :D

GH
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--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
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--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
Dark frame substraction, how is it work? anyway, difficult to explain here right, so I will find out.

I mainly shot flowers, landscape, proprait, wildlife, stage etc. Selfdom do night view, I only shot night with Contax N1 film body.

Which film scanner you are using?
GoldenHammer said:
I use capture 2 as well.

I used the Dark Frame Substraction to remove long exposure noise.
For the exposure under 6s, D1x seems not returning any visiable
noise, thats the point I normally keep at.
Click to expand...
 
I don't have film scanner... maybe I would consider a film base SLR later.

By the way, do you using Mac or PC for photo processing? It seems that for the best output result, I better use Mac instead of a PC.

GH
James said:
I mainly shot flowers, landscape, proprait, wildlife, stage etc.
Selfdom do night view, I only shot night with Contax N1 film body.

Which film scanner you are using?
GoldenHammer said:
I use capture 2 as well.

I used the Dark Frame Substraction to remove long exposure noise.
For the exposure under 6s, D1x seems not returning any visiable
noise, thats the point I normally keep at.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
I use PC, if you can set you monitor profile + display card profile+ printer profile & Photoshop profile collectly, then you will get the same result as MAC.

Becuase MAC by default, all profile at synced, so that is why a lot people use MAC for simplcity.

I have a Kodak 8650 thermal 10"x8" printer for my output photo. What do printing ?
GoldenHammer said:
By the way, do you using Mac or PC for photo processing? It seems
that for the best output result, I better use Mac instead of a PC.

GH
James said:
I mainly shot flowers, landscape, proprait, wildlife, stage etc.
Selfdom do night view, I only shot night with Contax N1 film body.

Which film scanner you are using?
GoldenHammer said:
I use capture 2 as well.

I used the Dark Frame Substraction to remove long exposure noise.
For the exposure under 6s, D1x seems not returning any visiable
noise, thats the point I normally keep at.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
 
GH,

Just curious, but I"m assuming you used a stepdown ring to attach the WCON and TCON to the lenses you mentioned? My specs show that the filter size for the 85/1.4 is 77mm and for the 28/1.4 is 72mm. Since the WCON and TCON both have a rear thread size of 62mm, some sort of adapter is needed.

Doesn't this adapter reduce the effective opening of the lens such that it will reduce the amount of light reaching the prime lens? If so, by how much?

Just curious as I've been in a pinch before and had to use step down rings with ND filters and I could notice the effect of loosing light with just the step down ring.

Just curious though as to how this all works. This is an interesting concept for those of us that can't pop for the $1300+ for a 18mm or 14mm prime, but can pop the $500 on a 20mm (or an 18-35) and put a WCON on it. Photography is about finding creative ways to use our tools to paint with light. Thanks for point this one out.

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
 
Hi Mrwally,

Yes, the TCON and WCON are with thread of 62mm at the camera side, I use stepdown rings 77-62 and 72-62mm, and I even have an UV between them... :D

In my situation, they work very well and I don't find noticeable vignetting or loss of light at wide open. For exact figure, I would detail check the shutter speed vs aperture and post again later....

One point for sure is that the AF is just still working wonderful well... make them possible as real prime extension not only just an adaptor.

GH
mrwally said:
Just curious, but I"m assuming you used a stepdown ring to attach
the WCON and TCON to the lenses you mentioned? My specs show that
the filter size for the 85/1.4 is 77mm and for the 28/1.4 is 72mm.
Since the WCON and TCON both have a rear thread size of 62mm, some
sort of adapter is needed.

Doesn't this adapter reduce the effective opening of the lens such
that it will reduce the amount of light reaching the prime lens?
If so, by how much?

Just curious as I've been in a pinch before and had to use step
down rings with ND filters and I could notice the effect of loosing
light with just the step down ring.

Just curious though as to how this all works. This is an
interesting concept for those of us that can't pop for the $1300+
for a 18mm or 14mm prime, but can pop the $500 on a 20mm (or an
18-35) and put a WCON on it. Photography is about finding creative
ways to use our tools to paint with light. Thanks for point this
one out.

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
GH,

You seem wake up very early this morning, from this messages, I can tell, 7:00am Monday?
GoldenHammer said:
Yes, the TCON and WCON are with thread of 62mm at the camera side,
I use stepdown rings 77-62 and 72-62mm, and I even have an UV
between them... :D

In my situation, they work very well and I don't find noticeable
vignetting or loss of light at wide open. For exact figure, I would
detail check the shutter speed vs aperture and post again later....

One point for sure is that the AF is just still working wonderful
well... make them possible as real prime extension not only just an
adaptor.

GH
mrwally said:
Just curious, but I"m assuming you used a stepdown ring to attach
the WCON and TCON to the lenses you mentioned? My specs show that
the filter size for the 85/1.4 is 77mm and for the 28/1.4 is 72mm.
Since the WCON and TCON both have a rear thread size of 62mm, some
sort of adapter is needed.

Doesn't this adapter reduce the effective opening of the lens such
that it will reduce the amount of light reaching the prime lens?
If so, by how much?

Just curious as I've been in a pinch before and had to use step
down rings with ND filters and I could notice the effect of loosing
light with just the step down ring.

Just curious though as to how this all works. This is an
interesting concept for those of us that can't pop for the $1300+
for a 18mm or 14mm prime, but can pop the $500 on a 20mm (or an
18-35) and put a WCON on it. Photography is about finding creative
ways to use our tools to paint with light. Thanks for point this
one out.

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
 
GH,

Cool! I can't wait to see if this really does have the minimal impact that you imply. It sure looks like a simply approach to get that little extra you need sometimes on both ends (wideangle/tele) without breaking the bank.

Keep us posted!

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
Yes, the TCON and WCON are with thread of 62mm at the camera side,
I use stepdown rings 77-62 and 72-62mm, and I even have an UV
between them... :D

In my situation, they work very well and I don't find noticeable
vignetting or loss of light at wide open. For exact figure, I would
detail check the shutter speed vs aperture and post again later....

One point for sure is that the AF is just still working wonderful
well... make them possible as real prime extension not only just an
adaptor.

GH
mrwally said:
Just curious, but I"m assuming you used a stepdown ring to attach
the WCON and TCON to the lenses you mentioned? My specs show that
the filter size for the 85/1.4 is 77mm and for the 28/1.4 is 72mm.
Since the WCON and TCON both have a rear thread size of 62mm, some
sort of adapter is needed.

Doesn't this adapter reduce the effective opening of the lens such
that it will reduce the amount of light reaching the prime lens?
If so, by how much?

Just curious as I've been in a pinch before and had to use step
down rings with ND filters and I could notice the effect of loosing
light with just the step down ring.

Just curious though as to how this all works. This is an
interesting concept for those of us that can't pop for the $1300+
for a 18mm or 14mm prime, but can pop the $500 on a 20mm (or an
18-35) and put a WCON on it. Photography is about finding creative
ways to use our tools to paint with light. Thanks for point this
one out.

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
 
Set my D1x on tripod in manual mode, point to a fixed light source, wide open aperture at f1.4, change the shutter speed so that the meter reports EV 0 with the extension lens on.

Take off the extension lens, the meter reports +0.3EV... wait...wait.... no... it drops back to EV 0 again... and back to +0.3EV and back to EV 0 again... so... is this a good news?

GH
mrwally said:
Cool! I can't wait to see if this really does have the minimal
impact that you imply. It sure looks like a simply approach to get
that little extra you need sometimes on both ends (wideangle/tele)
without breaking the bank.

Keep us posted!

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
Yes, the TCON and WCON are with thread of 62mm at the camera side,
I use stepdown rings 77-62 and 72-62mm, and I even have an UV
between them... :D

In my situation, they work very well and I don't find noticeable
vignetting or loss of light at wide open. For exact figure, I would
detail check the shutter speed vs aperture and post again later....

One point for sure is that the AF is just still working wonderful
well... make them possible as real prime extension not only just an
adaptor.

GH
mrwally said:
Just curious, but I"m assuming you used a stepdown ring to attach
the WCON and TCON to the lenses you mentioned? My specs show that
the filter size for the 85/1.4 is 77mm and for the 28/1.4 is 72mm.
Since the WCON and TCON both have a rear thread size of 62mm, some
sort of adapter is needed.

Doesn't this adapter reduce the effective opening of the lens such
that it will reduce the amount of light reaching the prime lens?
If so, by how much?

Just curious as I've been in a pinch before and had to use step
down rings with ND filters and I could notice the effect of loosing
light with just the step down ring.

Just curious though as to how this all works. This is an
interesting concept for those of us that can't pop for the $1300+
for a 18mm or 14mm prime, but can pop the $500 on a 20mm (or an
18-35) and put a WCON on it. Photography is about finding creative
ways to use our tools to paint with light. Thanks for point this
one out.

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
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http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
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http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
I wake up at 6:30 am in week days, and 9:30 am in weekend... I normally connected to internet for some minutes in the early morning....:D

GH
James said:
You seem wake up very early this morning, from this messages, I can
tell, 7:00am Monday?
GoldenHammer said:
Yes, the TCON and WCON are with thread of 62mm at the camera side,
I use stepdown rings 77-62 and 72-62mm, and I even have an UV
between them... :D

In my situation, they work very well and I don't find noticeable
vignetting or loss of light at wide open. For exact figure, I would
detail check the shutter speed vs aperture and post again later....

One point for sure is that the AF is just still working wonderful
well... make them possible as real prime extension not only just an
adaptor.

GH
mrwally said:
Just curious, but I"m assuming you used a stepdown ring to attach
the WCON and TCON to the lenses you mentioned? My specs show that
the filter size for the 85/1.4 is 77mm and for the 28/1.4 is 72mm.
Since the WCON and TCON both have a rear thread size of 62mm, some
sort of adapter is needed.

Doesn't this adapter reduce the effective opening of the lens such
that it will reduce the amount of light reaching the prime lens?
If so, by how much?

Just curious as I've been in a pinch before and had to use step
down rings with ND filters and I could notice the effect of loosing
light with just the step down ring.

Just curious though as to how this all works. This is an
interesting concept for those of us that can't pop for the $1300+
for a 18mm or 14mm prime, but can pop the $500 on a 20mm (or an
18-35) and put a WCON on it. Photography is about finding creative
ways to use our tools to paint with light. Thanks for point this
one out.

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
I wake up at 5:45am, go to office at 7:00am, becuase Tokyo Stock Exchange start pre-order at 7:00am HK time, (8:00am Tokyo time). Of cause I have wait HK stock exchange to close market at 4:15pm, so I can go home, but sometime I stay till 7:00pm.

Did you try out any good tele lens from Nikon, may be 70-300mm ED Zoom, or Sigma 50-500mm Zoom for Nikon F-mount?

I like long tele on D1x 1.5 factor.

Also Nikon 2x tele adapter too for only AFS lens, I like quality Zoom lens, so that less changing lens, so less dust.
GoldenHammer said:
GH
James said:
You seem wake up very early this morning, from this messages, I can
tell, 7:00am Monday?
GoldenHammer said:
Yes, the TCON and WCON are with thread of 62mm at the camera side,
I use stepdown rings 77-62 and 72-62mm, and I even have an UV
between them... :D

In my situation, they work very well and I don't find noticeable
vignetting or loss of light at wide open. For exact figure, I would
detail check the shutter speed vs aperture and post again later....

One point for sure is that the AF is just still working wonderful
well... make them possible as real prime extension not only just an
adaptor.

GH
mrwally said:
Just curious, but I"m assuming you used a stepdown ring to attach
the WCON and TCON to the lenses you mentioned? My specs show that
the filter size for the 85/1.4 is 77mm and for the 28/1.4 is 72mm.
Since the WCON and TCON both have a rear thread size of 62mm, some
sort of adapter is needed.

Doesn't this adapter reduce the effective opening of the lens such
that it will reduce the amount of light reaching the prime lens?
If so, by how much?

Just curious as I've been in a pinch before and had to use step
down rings with ND filters and I could notice the effect of loosing
light with just the step down ring.

Just curious though as to how this all works. This is an
interesting concept for those of us that can't pop for the $1300+
for a 18mm or 14mm prime, but can pop the $500 on a 20mm (or an
18-35) and put a WCON on it. Photography is about finding creative
ways to use our tools to paint with light. Thanks for point this
one out.

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
 
Yeah, that is good news. It would seem to be causing less than one f-stop of loss of light. That's very acceptable for a "converter" type setup.

I was concerned that with the step down plus the extra glass, that in fact you might get closer to 1.0 or even 1.3 EV drop off.

Which converter was this? TCON or WCON? Do they both behave the same?

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
Take off the extension lens, the meter reports +0.3EV...
wait...wait.... no... it drops back to EV 0 again... and back to
+0.3EV and back to EV 0 again... so... is this a good news?

GH
mrwally said:
Cool! I can't wait to see if this really does have the minimal
impact that you imply. It sure looks like a simply approach to get
that little extra you need sometimes on both ends (wideangle/tele)
without breaking the bank.

Keep us posted!

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
Yes, the TCON and WCON are with thread of 62mm at the camera side,
I use stepdown rings 77-62 and 72-62mm, and I even have an UV
between them... :D

In my situation, they work very well and I don't find noticeable
vignetting or loss of light at wide open. For exact figure, I would
detail check the shutter speed vs aperture and post again later....

One point for sure is that the AF is just still working wonderful
well... make them possible as real prime extension not only just an
adaptor.

GH
mrwally said:
Just curious, but I"m assuming you used a stepdown ring to attach
the WCON and TCON to the lenses you mentioned? My specs show that
the filter size for the 85/1.4 is 77mm and for the 28/1.4 is 72mm.
Since the WCON and TCON both have a rear thread size of 62mm, some
sort of adapter is needed.

Doesn't this adapter reduce the effective opening of the lens such
that it will reduce the amount of light reaching the prime lens?
If so, by how much?

Just curious as I've been in a pinch before and had to use step
down rings with ND filters and I could notice the effect of loosing
light with just the step down ring.

Just curious though as to how this all works. This is an
interesting concept for those of us that can't pop for the $1300+
for a 18mm or 14mm prime, but can pop the $500 on a 20mm (or an
18-35) and put a WCON on it. Photography is about finding creative
ways to use our tools to paint with light. Thanks for point this
one out.

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
 
Are you working in the financial sector?

No. I haven't tried Nikkor long tele or zoom yet. I am considering the 80-200/2.8, it seems to be a quality and flexible len for most mid to far pictures. The 80-400 VR seems also worth consideration.

GH
James said:
Did you try out any good tele lens from Nikon, may be 70-300mm ED
Zoom, or Sigma 50-500mm Zoom for Nikon F-mount?

I like long tele on D1x 1.5 factor.

Also Nikon 2x tele adapter too for only AFS lens, I like quality
Zoom lens, so that less changing lens, so less dust.
GoldenHammer said:
GH
James said:
You seem wake up very early this morning, from this messages, I can
tell, 7:00am Monday?
GoldenHammer said:
Yes, the TCON and WCON are with thread of 62mm at the camera side,
I use stepdown rings 77-62 and 72-62mm, and I even have an UV
between them... :D

In my situation, they work very well and I don't find noticeable
vignetting or loss of light at wide open. For exact figure, I would
detail check the shutter speed vs aperture and post again later....

One point for sure is that the AF is just still working wonderful
well... make them possible as real prime extension not only just an
adaptor.

GH
mrwally said:
Just curious, but I"m assuming you used a stepdown ring to attach
the WCON and TCON to the lenses you mentioned? My specs show that
the filter size for the 85/1.4 is 77mm and for the 28/1.4 is 72mm.
Since the WCON and TCON both have a rear thread size of 62mm, some
sort of adapter is needed.

Doesn't this adapter reduce the effective opening of the lens such
that it will reduce the amount of light reaching the prime lens?
If so, by how much?

Just curious as I've been in a pinch before and had to use step
down rings with ND filters and I could notice the effect of loosing
light with just the step down ring.

Just curious though as to how this all works. This is an
interesting concept for those of us that can't pop for the $1300+
for a 18mm or 14mm prime, but can pop the $500 on a 20mm (or an
18-35) and put a WCON on it. Photography is about finding creative
ways to use our tools to paint with light. Thanks for point this
one out.

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
This is done by the 85mm/1.4 + TCON... I would test the 28mm/1.4 + WCON later.

GH
mrwally said:
Which converter was this? TCON or WCON? Do they both behave the
same?

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
Take off the extension lens, the meter reports +0.3EV...
wait...wait.... no... it drops back to EV 0 again... and back to
+0.3EV and back to EV 0 again... so... is this a good news?

GH
mrwally said:
Cool! I can't wait to see if this really does have the minimal
impact that you imply. It sure looks like a simply approach to get
that little extra you need sometimes on both ends (wideangle/tele)
without breaking the bank.

Keep us posted!

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
Yes, the TCON and WCON are with thread of 62mm at the camera side,
I use stepdown rings 77-62 and 72-62mm, and I even have an UV
between them... :D

In my situation, they work very well and I don't find noticeable
vignetting or loss of light at wide open. For exact figure, I would
detail check the shutter speed vs aperture and post again later....

One point for sure is that the AF is just still working wonderful
well... make them possible as real prime extension not only just an
adaptor.

GH
mrwally said:
Just curious, but I"m assuming you used a stepdown ring to attach
the WCON and TCON to the lenses you mentioned? My specs show that
the filter size for the 85/1.4 is 77mm and for the 28/1.4 is 72mm.
Since the WCON and TCON both have a rear thread size of 62mm, some
sort of adapter is needed.

Doesn't this adapter reduce the effective opening of the lens such
that it will reduce the amount of light reaching the prime lens?
If so, by how much?

Just curious as I've been in a pinch before and had to use step
down rings with ND filters and I could notice the effect of loosing
light with just the step down ring.

Just curious though as to how this all works. This is an
interesting concept for those of us that can't pop for the $1300+
for a 18mm or 14mm prime, but can pop the $500 on a 20mm (or an
18-35) and put a WCON on it. Photography is about finding creative
ways to use our tools to paint with light. Thanks for point this
one out.

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
85mm1.4 + TCON = Tele more, not my interest

But 28mm/1.4 + WCON = 22mm Wide, interest, I will also like to see the result being posted, orginal please. I am sure a lot of detail will loss, becuase 28mm 1.4 is a higher resolution, WCON08B maybe reduce the resolution of 28mm, but still the CCD only 5MP, so maybe OK quality.

Nikon 24mm F2.8 or 20mm F2.8 are much nicer than your combination above for sure.
GoldenHammer said:
GH
mrwally said:
Which converter was this? TCON or WCON? Do they both behave the
same?

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
Take off the extension lens, the meter reports +0.3EV...
wait...wait.... no... it drops back to EV 0 again... and back to
+0.3EV and back to EV 0 again... so... is this a good news?

GH
mrwally said:
Cool! I can't wait to see if this really does have the minimal
impact that you imply. It sure looks like a simply approach to get
that little extra you need sometimes on both ends (wideangle/tele)
without breaking the bank.

Keep us posted!

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
Yes, the TCON and WCON are with thread of 62mm at the camera side,
I use stepdown rings 77-62 and 72-62mm, and I even have an UV
between them... :D

In my situation, they work very well and I don't find noticeable
vignetting or loss of light at wide open. For exact figure, I would
detail check the shutter speed vs aperture and post again later....

One point for sure is that the AF is just still working wonderful
well... make them possible as real prime extension not only just an
adaptor.

GH
mrwally said:
Just curious, but I"m assuming you used a stepdown ring to attach
the WCON and TCON to the lenses you mentioned? My specs show that
the filter size for the 85/1.4 is 77mm and for the 28/1.4 is 72mm.
Since the WCON and TCON both have a rear thread size of 62mm, some
sort of adapter is needed.

Doesn't this adapter reduce the effective opening of the lens such
that it will reduce the amount of light reaching the prime lens?
If so, by how much?

Just curious as I've been in a pinch before and had to use step
down rings with ND filters and I could notice the effect of loosing
light with just the step down ring.

Just curious though as to how this all works. This is an
interesting concept for those of us that can't pop for the $1300+
for a 18mm or 14mm prime, but can pop the $500 on a 20mm (or an
18-35) and put a WCON on it. Photography is about finding creative
ways to use our tools to paint with light. Thanks for point this
one out.

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
 
Check this, they are taken by the 28/1.4 + WCON:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=2828350

GH
James said:
But 28mm/1.4 + WCON = 22mm Wide, interest, I will also like to see
the result being posted, orginal please. I am sure a lot of detail
will loss, becuase 28mm 1.4 is a higher resolution, WCON08B maybe
reduce the resolution of 28mm, but still the CCD only 5MP, so maybe
OK quality.

Nikon 24mm F2.8 or 20mm F2.8 are much nicer than your combination
above for sure.
GoldenHammer said:
GH
mrwally said:
Which converter was this? TCON or WCON? Do they both behave the
same?

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
Take off the extension lens, the meter reports +0.3EV...
wait...wait.... no... it drops back to EV 0 again... and back to
+0.3EV and back to EV 0 again... so... is this a good news?

GH
mrwally said:
Cool! I can't wait to see if this really does have the minimal
impact that you imply. It sure looks like a simply approach to get
that little extra you need sometimes on both ends (wideangle/tele)
without breaking the bank.

Keep us posted!

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
Yes, the TCON and WCON are with thread of 62mm at the camera side,
I use stepdown rings 77-62 and 72-62mm, and I even have an UV
between them... :D

In my situation, they work very well and I don't find noticeable
vignetting or loss of light at wide open. For exact figure, I would
detail check the shutter speed vs aperture and post again later....

One point for sure is that the AF is just still working wonderful
well... make them possible as real prime extension not only just an
adaptor.

GH
mrwally said:
Just curious, but I"m assuming you used a stepdown ring to attach
the WCON and TCON to the lenses you mentioned? My specs show that
the filter size for the 85/1.4 is 77mm and for the 28/1.4 is 72mm.
Since the WCON and TCON both have a rear thread size of 62mm, some
sort of adapter is needed.

Doesn't this adapter reduce the effective opening of the lens such
that it will reduce the amount of light reaching the prime lens?
If so, by how much?

Just curious as I've been in a pinch before and had to use step
down rings with ND filters and I could notice the effect of loosing
light with just the step down ring.

Just curious though as to how this all works. This is an
interesting concept for those of us that can't pop for the $1300+
for a 18mm or 14mm prime, but can pop the $500 on a 20mm (or an
18-35) and put a WCON on it. Photography is about finding creative
ways to use our tools to paint with light. Thanks for point this
one out.

Rick
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
GH,

Excellent color, sharp, well organize btw sky & building. Do you have full size version?

Some how I see a bit, Purple Fringing (Chromatic Aberrations); defintely not come from D1x CCD, well who care, as long as the photo show good quality.

You seems do a lot of marco photo, from you web site?

By the way, what are your career, don't tell me photographer!

I am a system (IT) person with a bit finanical mind, like photography, but don't like to use photography to make living. Too much hard work, too litte $$$. I only feel this is a gift of art, for relax.

Since knowing technology is the key the future career right!
 
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