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I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

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http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
Remember that a 1.4x converter has already cost you one stop! So wide open is actually f/5.6 ... and f/5.6 is very close to f/8!
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
 
but a great way to 'recycle'! I am interested to see what the wide adapters do ...
Ken Phillips said:
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
The specifications of my teleconverter tells that it doesn't affect the max. aperture available and it seems working.

This 1.4x teleconverter worked great with my Sony F707 and it seems also working nice on my primes. I am going to try the 0.8x wide later with my 28/1.4 prime.

GH
Ken Phillips said:
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
Perhaps they mean that the teleconverter doesn't vignette. Any teleconverter/reducer slows down/speeds up a lens by the ratio of its power ... and 1.4 (actually, closer to 1.41, the cube root of 2!) is one stop. The camera won't say this, however ... but if you check the metering with/without the unit you will see. The .8x unit will 'speed up' the lens! As always, these units can introduce additional aberrations, flare, and reflections.
GoldenHammer said:
This 1.4x teleconverter worked great with my Sony F707 and it seems
also working nice on my primes. I am going to try the 0.8x wide
later with my 28/1.4 prime.

GH
Ken Phillips said:
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
 
Let me try it out tomorrow with shots at all major apertures stop and see what is the differences.

Will posted that into a gallery for all your reference... :D

GH
Ken Phillips said:
GoldenHammer said:
This 1.4x teleconverter worked great with my Sony F707 and it seems
also working nice on my primes. I am going to try the 0.8x wide
later with my 28/1.4 prime.

GH
Ken Phillips said:
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
GoldenHammer,

Congradulation! You sold you Sony F707, and now playing the best of the best D1x.

But remember, you are playing with the best of the best, let the pass go!

Sale your Sony or Olympus Tele or Wide angle converter, don't waste your time on it.

You should buy at lease 3 lens for your D1x;

AFS 17-35mm F2.8 ED
AFS 28-70mm F2.8 ED
AFS 80-200mm F2.8 ED

Be careful when you change lens, becuase bust problem will be with you forever!

It wil be shown in your image forever and forever!
GoldenHammer said:
This 1.4x teleconverter worked great with my Sony F707 and it seems
also working nice on my primes. I am going to try the 0.8x wide
later with my 28/1.4 prime.

GH
Ken Phillips said:
GoldenHammer said:
I just sold my old dcam Sony F707 and am wondering what to do with
my extension lens - tele, wide and macro.

So why don't give a try with the extension lens connected to my
primes? Here is an quick interesting sample taken by a 1.4x
teleconverter connected to my 85/1.4. No vignetting when wide open
at f1.4, no loss of light, AF is still working fine. The best
result was achieved at f5.6 for this test.

Check this - the original sample is in NEF, it is even sharper than
this JPEG version.

http://www.pbase.com/image/2407463/original

I am going to do some more intensive test to see how this tele and
wide converters work with my primes on D1x.

GH

--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
 
James said:
GoldenHammer,

Congradulation! You sold you Sony F707, and now playing the best of
the best D1x.
Click to expand...
Not only the equipments, I hope my photography skill are at the same class.... :D
James Kei said:
But remember, you are playing with the best of the best, let the
pass go!

Sale your Sony or Olympus Tele or Wide angle converter, don't waste
your time on it.
Click to expand...
I need some time to evaluate the Olympus adaptors with my primes, I think they are with high quality glass.
James Kei said:
You should buy at lease 3 lens for your D1x;

AFS 17-35mm F2.8 ED
AFS 28-70mm F2.8 ED
AFS 80-200mm F2.8 ED
Click to expand...
Thank you... these are once on my list when I got the D1x, but I finally go for high speed primes at 28mm instead of 17-35mm and 85mm instead of 28-70mm... :D

I do really want a longer tele lens, still considering the 80-200mm or again a prime of 300mm/2.8.
James Kei said:
Be careful when you change lens, becuase bust problem will be with
you forever!

It wil be shown in your image forever and forever!
Click to expand...
I have prepared myself to suffer this, it is a cost, but still justified to me...:D

What is your next target? Are you going to get a D100?

GH
 
GoldenHammer,
GoldenHammer said:
I hope my photography skill are at the same class.... :D
Click to expand...
You hope means you are not yet?

Unlike you, D1 & D1x was my pass toys, my new target will be Contax N digital, but I hear a lot bad comment before release, still will give a try when it hit the market. For the time being, I have nothing on digital, so still playing N film body.

oh, by the way, I still have a Kodak DCS 200 (Nkon iF801s film body), it is a 10 years old SLR digital camera;



It is very difficult to shot good photo with this DSLR, you have to be very good in control of lighting with this old DSLR, in order to get a good photo.
But I have skill, so no problem.

Good luck with your D1x, hope you will continuous playing D1x for few yrs, becuase others are not matter yet, Until D2 (full fame size CCD).
GoldenHammer said:
James said:
GoldenHammer,

Congradulation! You sold you Sony F707, and now playing the best of
the best D1x.
Click to expand...
Not only the equipments, I hope my photography skill are at the
same class.... :D
GoldenHammer said:
But remember, you are playing with the best of the best, let the
pass go!

Sale your Sony or Olympus Tele or Wide angle converter, don't waste
your time on it.
Click to expand...
I need some time to evaluate the Olympus adaptors with my primes, I
think they are with high quality glass.
GoldenHammer said:
You should buy at lease 3 lens for your D1x;

AFS 17-35mm F2.8 ED
AFS 28-70mm F2.8 ED
AFS 80-200mm F2.8 ED
Click to expand...
Thank you... these are once on my list when I got the D1x, but I
finally go for high speed primes at 28mm instead of 17-35mm and
85mm instead of 28-70mm... :D

I do really want a longer tele lens, still considering the 80-200mm
or again a prime of 300mm/2.8.
GoldenHammer said:
Be careful when you change lens, becuase bust problem will be with
you forever!

It wil be shown in your image forever and forever!
Click to expand...
I have prepared myself to suffer this, it is a cost, but still
justified to me...:D

What is your next target? Are you going to get a D100?

GH
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
 
James said:
James Kei said:
I hope my photography skill are at the same class.... :D
Click to expand...
You hope means you are not yet?
Click to expand...
Yes. I think my skill still have not that comprehensive to work out the most of my D1x yet....maybe just at the rate of 70%... :D
James Kei said:
Unlike you, D1 & D1x was my pass toys, my new target will be Contax
N digital, but I hear a lot bad comment before release, still will
give a try when it hit the market. For the time being, I have
nothing on digital, so still playing N film body.
Click to expand...
You mentioned before that you hate the dust problem with D1x and would consider something else.

Once I have consider all the DSLR available, 1D, D60, D1x, D1h...and I finally picked the D1x, and it is still not the moment for Contax N digital for I would only consider it at its 2nd generation.
James Kei said:
oh, by the way, I still have a Kodak DCS 200 (Nkon iF801s film
body), it is a 10 years old SLR digital camera;



It is very difficult to shot good photo with this DSLR, you have to
be very good in control of lighting with this old DSLR, in order to
get a good photo.
But I have skill, so no problem.
Click to expand...
When you have practice with the tools with you for many years, it will become the extension part of your body... you will just master it very well... :D
James Kei said:
Good luck with your D1x, hope you will continuous playing D1x for
few yrs, becuase others are not matter yet, Until D2 (full fame
size CCD).
Click to expand...
I don't stick myself on a particular product or brand name, the D2 and Contax DN would be my next targets for upgrade. If D2 disappointed me, I would surely switch to the Contax... :D

GH
 
I think I saw you once 2 months ago week end, when I my drive my nice BMW to Repulse Bay on the way, I saw a person shoting with a tripot & Sony F707 + long tele (olympus maybe) at Wong Chuk Hang area, Aberdeen Tunner ?

May be not.
GoldenHammer said:
James said:
GoldenHammer said:
I hope my photography skill are at the same class.... :D
Click to expand...
You hope means you are not yet?
Click to expand...
Yes. I think my skill still have not that comprehensive to work out
the most of my D1x yet....maybe just at the rate of 70%... :D
GoldenHammer said:
Unlike you, D1 & D1x was my pass toys, my new target will be Contax
N digital, but I hear a lot bad comment before release, still will
give a try when it hit the market. For the time being, I have
nothing on digital, so still playing N film body.
Click to expand...
You mentioned before that you hate the dust problem with D1x and
would consider something else.

Once I have consider all the DSLR available, 1D, D60, D1x,
D1h...and I finally picked the D1x, and it is still not the moment
for Contax N digital for I would only consider it at its 2nd
generation.
GoldenHammer said:
oh, by the way, I still have a Kodak DCS 200 (Nkon iF801s film
body), it is a 10 years old SLR digital camera;



It is very difficult to shot good photo with this DSLR, you have to
be very good in control of lighting with this old DSLR, in order to
get a good photo.
But I have skill, so no problem.
Click to expand...
When you have practice with the tools with you for many years, it
will become the extension part of your body... you will just master
it very well... :D
GoldenHammer said:
Good luck with your D1x, hope you will continuous playing D1x for
few yrs, becuase others are not matter yet, Until D2 (full fame
size CCD).
Click to expand...
I don't stick myself on a particular product or brand name, the D2
and Contax DN would be my next targets for upgrade. If D2
disappointed me, I would surely switch to the Contax... :D

GH
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
 
...not me... :D

I spent most of my time with the F707 in night shots and always at the peak to take the night view of the victoria habour.

I am planning to the peak again in a good night and capture the beauty of the habour view ... :D

GH
James said:
May be not.
GoldenHammer said:
James said:
James Kei said:
I hope my photography skill are at the same class.... :D
Click to expand...
You hope means you are not yet?
Click to expand...
Yes. I think my skill still have not that comprehensive to work out
the most of my D1x yet....maybe just at the rate of 70%... :D
James Kei said:
Unlike you, D1 & D1x was my pass toys, my new target will be Contax
N digital, but I hear a lot bad comment before release, still will
give a try when it hit the market. For the time being, I have
nothing on digital, so still playing N film body.
Click to expand...
You mentioned before that you hate the dust problem with D1x and
would consider something else.

Once I have consider all the DSLR available, 1D, D60, D1x,
D1h...and I finally picked the D1x, and it is still not the moment
for Contax N digital for I would only consider it at its 2nd
generation.
James Kei said:
oh, by the way, I still have a Kodak DCS 200 (Nkon iF801s film
body), it is a 10 years old SLR digital camera;



It is very difficult to shot good photo with this DSLR, you have to
be very good in control of lighting with this old DSLR, in order to
get a good photo.
But I have skill, so no problem.
Click to expand...
When you have practice with the tools with you for many years, it
will become the extension part of your body... you will just master
it very well... :D
James Kei said:
Good luck with your D1x, hope you will continuous playing D1x for
few yrs, becuase others are not matter yet, Until D2 (full fame
size CCD).
Click to expand...
I don't stick myself on a particular product or brand name, the D2
and Contax DN would be my next targets for upgrade. If D2
disappointed me, I would surely switch to the Contax... :D

GH
Click to expand...
--
James Kei
http://www.pbase.com/jkei
http://community.webshots.com/user/cwkei
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
Ken Phillips said:
Perhaps they mean that the teleconverter doesn't vignette. Any
teleconverter/reducer slows down/speeds up a lens by the ratio of
its power ... and 1.4 (actually, closer to 1.41, the cube root of
2!) is one stop. The camera won't say this, however ... but if you
check the meter.
Click to expand...
Not true with front converters, only rear converters.
 
True for ALL converters! The camera only sees a lens system ... it doesn't "know" how it is configured. The camera will still meter using the original f/numbers ... but it's faster or slower in real f/stops. BTW, I meant the SQUARE root of two!
Brian Schneider said:
Ken Phillips said:
Perhaps they mean that the teleconverter doesn't vignette. Any
teleconverter/reducer slows down/speeds up a lens by the ratio of
its power ... and 1.4 (actually, closer to 1.41, the cube root of
2!) is one stop. The camera won't say this, however ... but if you
check the meter.
Click to expand...
Not true with front converters, only rear converters.
Click to expand...
 
Ken Phillips said:
True for ALL converters! The camera only sees a lens system ... it
doesn't "know" how it is configured. The camera will still meter
using the original f/numbers ... but it's faster or slower in real
f/stops. BTW, I meant the SQUARE root of two!
Click to expand...
Front converters such as the Oly B300 commonly used on cameras such as
canon G2 Pro90 etc. DO NOT lose lens speed. If your lens is F2.8 without
converter it is still f2.8 with converter. They are made with a very wide front

to gather more light. Its easy to prove, get one & try it. (I have one so I know)
Only converters that go between body & lens lose speed.
 
That seems the cases I found... I got some nice samples with the combo.





Samples:

28/1.4 + 0.8x adaptor:







85/1.4 + 1.4x adaptor:




Brian Schneider said:
Ken Phillips said:
True for ALL converters! The camera only sees a lens system ... it
doesn't "know" how it is configured. The camera will still meter
using the original f/numbers ... but it's faster or slower in real
f/stops. BTW, I meant the SQUARE root of two!
Click to expand...
Front converters such as the Oly B300 commonly used on cameras such as
canon G2 Pro90 etc. DO NOT lose lens speed. If your lens is F2.8
without
converter it is still f2.8 with converter. They are made with a
very wide front
to gather more light. Its easy to prove, get one & try it. (I have
one so I know)
Only converters that go between body & lens lose speed.
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
Brian,

With the camera mounted on a tripod, pointing at a static scene, does the exposure (aperture and shutter speed) change at all when you add the teleconverter?
Ken
Brian Schneider said:
Ken Phillips said:
True for ALL converters! The camera only sees a lens system ... it
doesn't "know" how it is configured. The camera will still meter
using the original f/numbers ... but it's faster or slower in real
f/stops. BTW, I meant the SQUARE root of two!
Click to expand...
Front converters such as the Oly B300 commonly used on cameras such as
canon G2 Pro90 etc. DO NOT lose lens speed. If your lens is F2.8
without
converter it is still f2.8 with converter. They are made with a
very wide front
to gather more light. Its easy to prove, get one & try it. (I have
one so I know)
Only converters that go between body & lens lose speed.
Click to expand...
 
GoldenHammer said:
That seems the cases I found... I got some nice samples with the
combo.
Click to expand...
looks like good quality, I tried an Olympus B300 1.7x converter on a Sigma 70-300 APO & it was so good I sold my 500mm mirror. I didnt think it would work but was pleasantly surprised. (no loss of Fstop either)
 
Ken Phillips said:
Brian,
With the camera mounted on a tripod, pointing at a static scene,
does the exposure (aperture and shutter speed) change at all when
you add the teleconverter?
Ken
Click to expand...
No at the same Fstop you get the same shutter speed.

The reason rear converters lose speed is that the prime lens is farther from the camera body. The Oly B300 is nearly 3" across the front. I use mine on a Sigma 70-300 3.5-5.6 lens giving me a 510 F5.6 with full af. On a Nikon of course.
 
I took these samples by the Olympus TCON-14B and WCON-08B, they are probably one of the best quality extenders in the market.

They would be a prime attachement rather than just an adaptor which effectively makes my 85mm close to 180mm (x1.5 x1.4) and 28mm close to 33mm (x1.5 x 0.8)

Here is the conclusion I got:
  • No noticable or very sightly distortion introduced
  • No loss of light, the TCON and WCON have front threads of 86mm
and 105mm which allows more light to go into the len systems.
  • No vigetting at wide open even at f1.4
  • AF is just running wonderfully well!
  • Poor soft image at f1.4, sharp center soft cornors with apertures in
f2.8-f3.5, nice in f4-f8.0, excellect at f5.6.

GoldenHammer
Brian Schneider said:
GoldenHammer said:
That seems the cases I found... I got some nice samples with the
combo.
Click to expand...
looks like good quality, I tried an Olympus B300 1.7x converter on
a Sigma 70-300 APO & it was so good I sold my 500mm mirror. I didnt
think it would work but was pleasantly surprised. (no loss of Fstop
either)
Click to expand...
--
http://www.pbase.com/liman/best_collections
Nikon D1x, Nikkor AF 28mm/f1.4D & AF 85mm/f1.4D
 
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