I'm saying it now - - - I hope NikSoftware will see this - - - I dislike NX2 Rant

Just be patient, don't panic, just try...
Merci Stany,

but Ray has just shown me that something was wrong with my program. He's showing me bars I didn't get in my install. For some reason my version didn't do what Ray has shown should happen.

Thanks,

Lil
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That was the first thought came to mind when I read Lil's complaint against NX 2.0. Took me a long time to give up DOS and I went from Win 3.1 to 98SE, then 2K Pro. I am running XP on my laptops, but all my desktops are still running 2K pro. I did buy a copy of XP pro after they have released Vista. The only program I use that won't run under 2K Pro properly is QuickBooks 2008. So I know I will have to replace my main desktop soon. Luckily, I rarely need to run QuickBooks 2008 as I am still mostly running QuickBooks 2002.

I was also a latecomer to the IBM-DOS as I was perfectly happy running CP/M.

So I don't blame Lil for her complaint. New versions always need more computer resources too.
Guy
 
photoforfun wrote:
Just be patient, don't panic, just try...
Merci Stany,

but Ray has just shown me that something was wrong with my program. He's showing me bars I didn't get in my install. For some reason my version didn't do what Ray has shown should happen.Thanks, Lil
I'm happy you found out... Enjoy!

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http://www.fotografie.fr/
 
Sorry for the heading Lil, but you know a lot about horses, so please
prove that the old saying, that old horses can't learn new tricks is
false. Not that I'm comparing you with an old horse : )
I could answer that - - but I'll choose not to since I've already been referred to as a Drama Queen..........

I probably am an old horse... I'll ask Ross & get back to you. ;-)
The learning experience with new software and technology is very much
dependant on your initial attitude. Try focus on the positive instead
of just focussing on the negative.
Oh I was positive. I was so hopeful you have no idea. Wouldn't have downloaded it if I wasn't.
Basically NX2 is not very much different than NX1, it just adds some
very useful new functionality, and removes the NX1 click click click
requirements to open any of the adjustments, which is an improvement
in my opinion.
Ole, Ray has put in a few screen shots in the thread - - in regards to the brush sizing as an example. I never got that bar with the brush size slider. I only found a small one in the Edit List & nothing would happen when I moved it. Also, all my tools were "locked" on the right side of the screen for some reason - - I tried moving them many times with no effect. "locked" into position.
The selective adjustments is very much improved in my opinion, with
the new selection points added to the already known selection tools.
You have tree options to show the mask: 1. Hide mask, 2.
Semitransparent mask, and 3. Black/white mask. Specially the new
semitransparent mask is very useful in my opinion.
The mask would happen & then nothing more. No changes.
Instead of right-clicking when changing the tool settings, a line is
added on the top with the setting parameters when using the tools. If
you right-clicked a tool in the old NX1 in the bottom of the editing
window only half of the settings was showed.
But that's part of the problem Ole - - - I never got that new line/tool bar within which I can/could adjust the specific tool (in this case the brush).
I have never understood your many previous statements about, that NX
forces you to use Nikon's decided order of workflow. The only
limitation I know of, is if you want to use selective adjustments,
then it's best to crop before the selective adjustments - otherwise
the selective adjustments gets misplaced.
Next time I go home I'll show you what I mean. Sure I can do it in my order, but NX has since version 1.3.1 always unselected every other adjustment I've made so I've had to re-select them all over again. This one does the same thing.
Hope you find a solution that's satisfying you.
Well, for one thing it's showed that my version was not working correctly. It's un-installed at this point.

We'll see what I end up doing....

Lil

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http://lilknytt.zenfolio.com/

 
Both Ray & Ole have shown me that my version simply wasn't working correctly. Why I can't say. All I know is that certain tools are not behaving as they should. So I've un-installed NX2.

We'll see if I'll want to try it again. Right now I have other things on my mind.

Lil
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http://lilknytt.zenfolio.com/

 
Will try that as well. If I do it. We can talk about that tomorrow. Looking forward to meeting you & introducing you to some of the other guys in our group.

Lil
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http://lilknytt.zenfolio.com/

 
That's just nonsense.. I'm using it on a MBP 2.2 GHz from last year and it applies NR (Better Quality) in under 3 seconds.. Same goes for Unsharp Mask.

Don't spread nonsense like this..
It's impossible to learn if every variation in settings take up to 20
seconds to render, which is the case on even the fastest Mac.

With Lightroom you can watch the changes in real time as you move the
sliders and pick the look you want.

Just which I could get the NR to work as well as NX ro 800 up: that's
the only reason I'd ever use NX
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capturing emotions on stage
 
One other thing you can try and already have more than likely is a
smaller cache size and moving your cache to a fast secondary drive
away from the OS drive.
It's getting a little faster which I'll address later in this email, but as to the above, yes, I played with NX2 cache settings and unlimited is the way to go with my system. Any limitation of cache size/files causes my thumbs to fail to render as well as lockups on many things including exit, so that's not the solution in my case.
As for .NET, I know some have had nightmares with this and I'm not
sure why. The client .Net 2.0 can cause issues when installing
orginal versions of 3.5 over the top and that may be the problem your
having.
I think the only thing .NET 3.5 might gain is some type of minor fix/update to .NET 2.0 since NX2 does not make use of .NET 3.5. I have .NET 2.0 Service Pack 1 installed which I suspect incorporates any files from .NET 3.5 that may be beneficial to NX 1.3 or NX2. First I'll try a repair of .NET 2.0. If that doesn't help I'll try uninstalling .NET 2.0, uninstalling NX2, then resinstalling NX2 allowing it to do with .NET 2.0 as it wishes. As far as I can tell from .NET documentation from MS it is typically branded by the vendor, so that may be an issues with NX upgrades for some, depending on platform. And clearly if the .NET installation gets corrupted some how in the process of installing the vendor software it wreaks havoc.
The links below may help. Use the information within at your own
risk. I would suggest a restore point prior to making changes. I
personally, didn't have to deal with these issues, as my install was
smooth on both my desktop and laptop running XP Pro with SP2. I did
say a little prayer prior to installation:)

How to remove and troubleshoot .Net 2.0.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/908077/en-us

Where to get .Net 3.5

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=333325FD-AE52-4E35-B531-508D977D32A6&displaylang=en
Thanks Ray, this is my last resort step and I'll likely skip installing 3.5 because I don't think I'll gain anything from that and I stand a risk of corrupting .NET(if it's not already). I'm entirely familiar with this routine as this is how I repaired my corrupted .NET installation a few months back which occurred after attempting to install .NET 3.5 on top of Nikon's .NET install. ;-) I have it bookmarked and will go through the troubleshooting MSKB article if necessary. Honestly it's not a difficult fix to follow and can clean up a lot of inconsistency issues with .NET installation. Someone back then chastised me for recommending this fix to others saying it was a Nikon issue and they should handle it. All I know is it worked well for me in the past as a last resort when the symptoms led me to believe my .NET installation was corrupted.

Now, as to my apparently starting to enjoy a little more speed for unexplained reasons ... after tweaking various settings in CNX2 and my XP paging file (let system decide amount for paging file) I think it's picking up a little in speed. After forcing myself to suffer through the sluggishness and edit a few files like I normally would (albeit painfully as regards rendering speed) I think it's starting to go a little faster. It looks like maybe CNX2 is building some sort of library in it's temp or cache files based on user routine and most frequently used algorithims, or something to that effect. Sounds weird I know but it sure feels like that's what's happening. I have no other explanation for why now it's a little more snappy and responsive other than that. It's still slow on load and save, which I'll try to continue to tweak for improvements, but my editing steps including selective editing steps, use of the mask overlay and some other things are faster than yesterday. Go figure. It's not a difference in processes running on my machine in the background to the best of my knowledge as I tried hard to rule that out as I've been testing things. I honestly think it's building temp files and cache files that call routines more quickly after I've used them a few times on a few photos. Rather odd, but I remember thinking this in the past upon upgrading NX which stared out sluggish and later picked up speed. Since I typically cleared out my cache on NX 1.3 often I'm thinking the temp files might be a better candidate for this? Don't know, only know going through the routine on a few files seems to have improved speed. Heck, maybe I'll try running a few batch processes to see if it improves my load and save times.

Thanks Ray! If I find any new tricks to speed things up for others on slow platforms I'll pass them along. And as I suspected, now that it's not so painfully slow I can learn to like the new interface and features. Have to get the nuisance issues out of the way to do that.

Kelley
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While I don't dislike NX 1.3 as much as the OP dislikes v.20, I will say this:

I'll never pay money for what Nikon offers as "software."

Why buy anything Nikon when it's almost the same price for a Photoshop upgrade?

P.S. I got Capture NX 1.3 free with the D300 and barely find any uses for it besides raw conversion, when needed.
 
Don't use Nikon Capture NX.
Its not the software for you.
I don't use it much either.

Get Lightroom. Works great. Consistent
user interface. Runs nicely on Windows
machines (I'm told). I like it on the Mac.
Very nice RAW conversion. Also, good
for organizing you images.

Not worth getting upset over a piece of
software.

And, never smash your cameras into the ground.
Not covered by warranty.

maljo
 
As for .NET, I know some have had nightmares with this and I'm not
sure why. The client .Net 2.0 can cause issues when installing
orginal versions of 3.5 over the top and that may be the problem your
having.
I think the only thing .NET 3.5 might gain is some type of minor
fix/update to .NET 2.0 since NX2 does not make use of .NET 3.5. I
have .NET 2.0 Service Pack 1 installed which I suspect incorporates
any files from .NET 3.5 that may be beneficial to NX 1.3 or NX2.
You are correct. .NET 3.5 is more likely to cause problems than it is to fix anything. Your best best is:
  • Deinstall NX
  • Reboot
  • Manually delete any crud left behind including cache and TEMP
  • Deinstall .NET 2
  • Reboot
  • Install .NET 2
  • Install .NET 2 SP1
  • Install NX
.NET 3.5 a completely different animal from .NET 2 and is not required. What NX needs is .NET 2, preferably with the Service Pack.
 
P.S. I got Capture NX 1.3 free with the D300 and barely find any uses
for it besides raw conversion, when needed.
Same here... got Capture NX with the D300. I primarily use PSE6 and find Adobe's Nikon D300 raw converter implementaton adequate. On occasion, I'll use Capture NX for raw files - seems that Capture NX will sometimes yield a slightly better dynamic range. Other than that...

Larry
 
You are correct. .NET 3.5 is more likely to cause problems than it is
to fix anything. Your best best is:
  • Deinstall NX
  • Reboot
  • Manually delete any crud left behind including cache and TEMP
  • Deinstall .NET 2
  • Reboot
  • Install .NET 2
  • Install .NET 2 SP1
  • Install NX
.NET 3.5 a completely different animal from .NET 2 and is not
required. What NX needs is .NET 2, preferably with the Service Pack.
So the fact that I'm running .NET 3.5 might be part of the issue here?

I've just checked.... on my computer there's

.NET 1.1
.NET 1.1 hotfix
.NET 2.0 SP1
.NET 3.0 SP1
.NET 3.5

could all this have to do with the fact that I seem to be lacking .NET 2.0 and have .NET 3.5

Tell me what to get rid of & what to re-download & re-install please - -

Lil

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The beginning of a gallery, showing my progression with help from caring friends especially on DPR, can be visited by friends & family at

http://lilknytt.zenfolio.com/

 
As for .NET, I know some have had nightmares with this and I'm not
sure why. The client .Net 2.0 can cause issues when installing
orginal versions of 3.5 over the top and that may be the problem your
having.
I think the only thing .NET 3.5 might gain is some type of minor
fix/update to .NET 2.0 since NX2 does not make use of .NET 3.5. I
have .NET 2.0 Service Pack 1 installed which I suspect incorporates
any files from .NET 3.5 that may be beneficial to NX 1.3 or NX2.
You are correct. .NET 3.5 is more likely to cause problems than it is
to fix anything. Your best best is:
  • Deinstall NX
  • Reboot
  • Manually delete any crud left behind including cache and TEMP
  • Deinstall .NET 2
  • Reboot
  • Install .NET 2
  • Install .NET 2 SP1
  • Install NX
.NET 3.5 a completely different animal from .NET 2 and is not
required. What NX needs is .NET 2, preferably with the Service Pack.
3.5 increases cache performance and various other enhancements. I've been running it since it came out and it works great. No longer do I have crashes like in .Net 2.0. I'm running XP Pro with SP2. I was also able to install 3.5 over 2.0 without issue. If your running SP1 you will have issues doing this.

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Ray
 
You are correct. .NET 3.5 is more likely to cause problems than it is
to fix anything. Your best best is:
  • Deinstall NX
  • Reboot
  • Manually delete any crud left behind including cache and TEMP
  • Deinstall .NET 2
  • Reboot
  • Install .NET 2
  • Install .NET 2 SP1
  • Install NX
.NET 3.5 a completely different animal from .NET 2 and is not
required. What NX needs is .NET 2, preferably with the Service Pack.
So the fact that I'm running .NET 3.5 might be part of the issue here?

I've just checked.... on my computer there's

.NET 1.1
.NET 1.1 hotfix
.NET 2.0 SP1
.NET 3.0 SP1
.NET 3.5

could all this have to do with the fact that I seem to be lacking
.NET 2.0 and have .NET 3.5

Tell me what to get rid of & what to re-download & re-install please - -

Lil

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caring friends especially on DPR, can be visited by friends & family
at

http://lilknytt.zenfolio.com/

If that were the case I would have started this thread! Its complete BS!

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Ray
 
Is the fact that I don't seem to have .NET 2.0 an issue?

Lil
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caring friends especially on DPR, can be visited by friends & family
at

http://lilknytt.zenfolio.com/

Here is another link that may help. MS does recommend uninstalling earlier versions of .net. That being the case it could be possible I'm running a hybrid as I installed 3.5 over the top of 2.0. I don't know for sure but anything is possible with MS. Stranger things have been known to happen lol. Whatever the case maybe my desktop and laptop are running AOK.

The information below was taken from this link.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=333325FD-AE52-4E35-B531-508D977D32A6&displaylang=en

IMPORTANT:

If you have installed earlier pre-release versions of .NET Framework 3.5, then you must uninstall them prior to running this installation by using Add or Remove Programs.
For more details on this release of the framework, see the following references:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/aa700830.aspx
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/netframework/default.aspx

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Ray
 

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