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I have been umming and arrhing (sic!) for months as regards where to go after my DS.. Well I keep the DS of course.

Its the K200D ... and I do think that there is logic here.

An entry camera built like a tankl
Much of what is good in the K10D
Better ? high ISO performance
AA Batteries for travelling ( Eneloop)
IS
Dust "sorted" ??
Weatherproof
Compact for traveling

This feels a very complete camera indeed .. albeit at entry / enthusiast level ...

I have a feeling it is better to spend half now and then wait for the K30D or whatever ... the reasoning behind this is that the K20D is clearly a better camera ... but where as the K200D seems as far as you can go with an entry camera .. the K20D feels a little like being half way there.

The CMOS sensor sems good but there may still be issues ... it is Samungs first very good effort. Are Hot pixels a real issue??

The live view seems as they say an add on and not thought through. I think that the next will be be much more effective. Ideally in my view you need it to be more functional and preferably tilting. I would only use it occasionally . I can see it as useful in taking casual portraits and in crowds over your head etc.... It needs to be a liveview that you can use " on the move" for me. Rarely used but potentially really useful,

So there we are .... Its the K200D ... for the next three years ... and I'm off now to Devon camera to buy it. Wish me luck.

The second part of the deal is the 2.8 16-50 Weatherproof lens ... but that has to wait !!!!
--
Tom Bell
Dartmoor
Devon



UK

http://flickr.com/photos/tombell1
 
I have a bunch of old lenses and use the Sigma 18-125 a lot as a walk around lens .. but the sigma 17-70 is a great reach/ sort of macro lens / all round goodie!!!

Although he is not around here have a look at John Beans work here

http://www.waterfoot.smugmug.com/

on pentax he uses 17-70 a lot !!! I think he is a really good landscape photographer
--
Tom Bell
Dartmoor
Devon



UK

http://flickr.com/photos/tombell1
 
Off on holidays in 3hr. Have my new camera. Bought the kit lens as i thought that if i ever wanted to sell the DS then a whole camera is more sellable

Wish me luck!!!
--
Tom Bell
Dartmoor
Devon

not sure what below is i will get rid of it!!!



UK

http://flickr.com/photos/tombell1
 
I've come to the same conclusion while looking for an upgrade from my K100D. Another thing I considered was the ability to shoot RAW + JPEG as opposed to having to choose one or the other with the K100D.
 
tombell1 said:
Off on holidays in 3hr. Have my new camera. Bought the kit lens as i
thought that if i ever wanted to sell the DS then a whole camera is
more sellable

Wish me luck!!!
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I think you have chosen well.

Everyone is talking noise and resolution here, ignoring the fact the raw level colour reproduction for different models can be very different even if the sensor is exactly the same. Colour reproduction is the way each camera translates each and every incoming colour frequency to a colour value on the final raw file. That's a given and is not something easily controlled by an end user in post processing, unless you want to mess with colour conversion correction graphs for many values of the colour spectrum. Nikon's D80 and the K10/200 seem to have the same sensor but produce very different colour plots capturing an identical scene. I think Pentax has done a magnificent job with their colour translation map (gamut) on the K100/10/200. Not so with the K20, which seems to me to be having a less neutral, more Canon like colour mapping. I'm sure you will have a lot of fun with this K200 magic tool.
 
how about the 16-50 DA*? with the 100$ pentax rebate that started today, the price is now down to 569$(from amazon.com)

the sigma 18-50 EX DC ELD Macro is 419$

sigma 17-70 DC IF Macro is 369$

Considering those prices, would anyone get a K200d with the more expensive DA* lens, or a K20d with a sigma 17-70?

Since lenses hold their resale value longer than cameras, I am inclined to pay extra for a 16-50 DA* with a K200d.

Anyhow, I've bene in the market for a pentax dSLR for quite some time now, and I think I am going to pull the trigger and buy since the rebates came out today. any comments?
 
gaddigad said:
Everyone is talking noise and resolution here, ignoring the fact the
raw level colour reproduction for different models can be very
different even if the sensor is exactly the same. Colour reproduction
is the way each camera translates each and every incoming colour
frequency to a colour value on the final raw file. That's a given and
is not something easily controlled by an end user in post processing,
unless you want to mess with colour conversion correction graphs for
many values of the colour spectrum.
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This doesn't make snese to me. It seems to me that you're describing what happens when RAW data is turned into RGB values. That's the job of your RAW converter, not your camera - unless of course you shoot JPEG. But if you shoot RAW, then the color reprouction would seem to me to be more a function of the RAW processor you use than anything in the camera (aside, of course, from the sensor itself).

--
Marc Sabatella
http://www.marcsabatella.com/photo/
 
usapatriot said:
Congrats! I purchased a K200D about two weeks ago and I haven't
looked back.
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I thought you returned your first K200D a week ago for missing AF and crooked viewfinder. Your enthusiasm for the model is great but do you have a working copy yet?

--

General Turgidson: 'Well, I don't think it's quite fair to condemn a whole program because of a single slip-up, sir.' (Dr. Strangelove, 1964)
 
Congratulation for the new toy.

Cheers,

Rene
 
tombell1 said:
I have been umming and arrhing (sic!) for months as regards where to
go after my DS.. Well I keep the DS of course.

Its the K200D ... and I do think that there is logic here.

An entry camera built like a tankl
Much of what is good in the K10D
Better ? high ISO performance
AA Batteries for travelling ( Eneloop)
IS
Dust "sorted" ??
Weatherproof
Compact for traveling
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Makes good sense, as it will be a fine upgrade from your *ist Ds, and you’re used to AA Batteries. I see your point in the other thread, how it could be more interesting than the K10.

John Bean is indeed a great photographer, and has contributed with many well-made points in discussions on the forum.

I’m gonna go for the 16-50/2.8 at some point too. But remember that rumour has it, how the 17-70/4 will be weatherresistent too :

http://www . pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/23531-da17-70-4-sdm-china.html

I read your reply in the ControlFreak post, on your niece being Zoe Bell. I only just recently saw the movie Deathproof. I had kind of mixed feelings towards it, but when I finally saw it, I liked it. Zoe was super cool; I didn’t know she was an actual stuntwoman, and not an actor. I’m studying Sports Sciences, so have gotten accustomed to a lot more action women.
And generally people from New Zealand are a lot of fun.

Good luck with your camera.

--
kind regards
Sune



“The Pentax K20D, Canon EOS 1D Mark III, and Nikon D3 lead the pack in DSLRs for serious HDR photographers.” Jack Howard, administrator at Popphoto.com's forums and online technical editor
 
Marc Sabatella said:
gaddigad said:
Everyone is talking noise and resolution here, ignoring the fact the
raw level colour reproduction for different models can be very
different even if the sensor is exactly the same. Colour reproduction
is the way each camera translates each and every incoming colour
frequency to a colour value on the final raw file. That's a given and
is not something easily controlled by an end user in post processing,
unless you want to mess with colour conversion correction graphs for
many values of the colour spectrum.
Click to expand...
This doesn't make snese to me. It seems to me that you're describing
what happens when RAW data is turned into RGB values. That's the job
of your RAW converter, not your camera - unless of course you shoot
JPEG. But if you shoot RAW, then the color reprouction would seem to
me to be more a function of the RAW processor you use than anything
in the camera (aside, of course, from the sensor itself).
Click to expand...
I'm not too keen on the technical side of sensor data processing but looking at some photos, including raw ones, taken by Nikon and Pentax cameras that use similar sensors, led me to believe that each of the different models had its own typical, unique colour processing scheme. Most Pentax ones had a generally more colour neutral (but somewhat more "yellowish") gamut whereas the Nikons tended to accentuate and colour shift some blues and reds (which I really didn't like).
 
fannibal said:
Since lenses hold their resale value longer than cameras, I am
inclined to pay extra for a 16-50 DA* with a K200d.
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Regards the DA*16-50, it might make more sense to say that "working lenses without reliability issues hold their resale value longer than cameras..."

The jury is still out to see if the DA*16-50 meets that definition, no?

--

General Turgidson: 'Well, I don't think it's quite fair to condemn a whole program because of a single slip-up, sir.' (Dr. Strangelove, 1964)
 
gaddigad said:
I'm not too keen on the technical side of sensor data processing but
looking at some photos, including raw ones, taken by Nikon and Pentax
cameras that use similar sensors, led me to believe...
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The thing is, you've never seen a RAW image. Nor have I. All we've ever seen are RAW images that have been converted to some sort of RGB format for display or print purposes. And it's in that conversion process the color differences you describe are most likely coming into being. I'm not saying there can't possible be anyting in the analog-to-digital conversion or even in the lenses that might also contribute, but mostly, I suspect the difference are introduced in the conversion from RAW to JPEG. Meaning that it should probably be possible to use the same RAW converter on images from both cameras with settings that would yield pretty much the same results.

--
Marc Sabatella
http://www.marcsabatella.com/photo/
 
Marc Sabatella said:
gaddigad said:
I'm not too keen on the technical side of sensor data processing but
looking at some photos, including raw ones, taken by Nikon and Pentax
cameras that use similar sensors, led me to believe...
Click to expand...
The thing is, you've never seen a RAW image. Nor have I. All we've
ever seen are RAW images that have been converted to some sort of RGB
format for display or print purposes. And it's in that conversion
process the color differences you describe are most likely coming
into being. I'm not saying there can't possible be anyting in the
analog-to-digital conversion or even in the lenses that might also
contribute, but mostly, I suspect the difference are introduced in
the conversion from RAW to JPEG. Meaning that it should probably be
possible to use the same RAW converter on images from both cameras
with settings that would yield pretty much the same results.
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Maybe, but that's also an inherent part of the system or model you are committing to when choosing your camera. Unless you're using a third party raw developer of course. I wouldn't want to depend exclusively on the mercy of one.
 
Just as a public service message I'll be the first to remind you, no camera or lens made by Pentax is weatherproof. Weather-resistant can be interpreted in different ways, but one thing it is not is weatherproof; use caution.

-Mouse
tombell1 said:
I have been umming and arrhing (sic!) for months as regards where to
go after my DS.. Well I keep the DS of course.

Its the K200D ... and I do think that there is logic here.

An entry camera built like a tankl
Much of what is good in the K10D
Better ? high ISO performance
AA Batteries for travelling ( Eneloop)
IS
Dust "sorted" ??
Weatherproof
Compact for traveling

This feels a very complete camera indeed .. albeit at entry /
enthusiast level ...

I have a feeling it is better to spend half now and then wait for the
K30D or whatever ... the reasoning behind this is that the K20D is
clearly a better camera ... but where as the K200D seems as far as
you can go with an entry camera .. the K20D feels a little like being
half way there.

The CMOS sensor sems good but there may still be issues ... it is
Samungs first very good effort. Are Hot pixels a real issue??

The live view seems as they say an add on and not thought through. I
think that the next will be be much more effective. Ideally in my
view you need it to be more functional and preferably tilting. I
would only use it occasionally . I can see it as useful in taking
casual portraits and in crowds over your head etc.... It needs to be
a liveview that you can use " on the move" for me. Rarely used but
potentially really useful,

So there we are .... Its the K200D ... for the next three years ...
and I'm off now to Devon camera to buy it. Wish me luck.

The second part of the deal is the 2.8 16-50 Weatherproof lens ...
but that has to wait !!!!
--
Tom Bell
Dartmoor
Devon



UK

http://flickr.com/photos/tombell1
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--
Hardly education
All them books I didn't read
They just sat there on my shelf
Looking much smarter than me

My Pentax K100D Super + FA35mm Gallery

http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc130/AMMouse/Pentax%20K100D%20Super/Pentax%20FA35/

My Pentax K100D Super + FA43mm Limited Gallery

http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc130/AMMouse/Pentax%20K100D%20Super/Pentax%20FA43%20Limited/

My Pentax K100D Super + DA70mm Limited Gallery

http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc130/AMMouse/Pentax%20K100D%20Super/Pentax%20DA70%20Limited/
 
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