""We're considering bypassing Vista ..."

--Nice find.

Ballmer would be happier in the food trade making something that spoils two days after it's unwrapped, but has an unlimited self life until it's sold, and requires users to keep buying it because you can't eat it all in even a month.

Gates and Ballmer have their own circus. Gates has gone insane thinking everything around you should be a computer, and Ballmer wants to license all of it.
Jokers. Best hope they fail miserably.

-Fortune favors the bold-
 
It is just about impossible to know for sure how deep Linux is
penetrating the market, especially the home desktop market. A system
that may have originally shipped with Windows may now be running
Linux (I have several examples in my house). One distro download is
often used to load Linux in dozens of machines. All we know is that
development and uptake is fast and furious, but it is impossible to
quantify it. But, who cares? I'm all set with what I need. And, as
I have said before, it is just a matter of time before Windows gets
completely overtaken by Linux. It is the natural course of things.
Linux can not go broke, and it will just keep getting better and
better, seemingly at a faster pace all the time. I'm not worried,
but I think some people in Redmond are, quite a bit.
Actually the Internet gives better numbers than any tool before.. not perfect.

You can look at % of OS visiting sites etc. Unless all the home Linux users have not figured out how to get the networking with Linux working :)

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

Note that Vista is just over a year old and a larger percentage than all the Mac and Linux combined that it took years to get.

So anyone saying Vista is dead... is clearly tossing dirt on Linux and Mac's graves too (are they dead?)

Frankly even though I would never go back to XP.. if someone has a working XP system its smarter to wait to upgrade Vista when they get a new machine or need to reinstall after a system crash.. and have more recent hardware.

Note for those that are anti Microsoft... FireFox has made amazing inroads... anyone developing web sites would be a fool to ignore it. I use both.. being I am not religious about my techology.. I use what works..
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

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Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
Linux keeps getting better but the often prophesied shake up is not
happening..
Microsoft appears very worried to me. Even that article you posted
a link to in a thread you started reminded me of that.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1004&message=27963251

Read the last 4 paragraphs on the second page about the Eee PC.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/14/AR2008051403552_2.html?hpid=news-col-blog&sid=ST2008051501061

IMO, they took that drastic action and worked out a deal to let them
keeping selling XP, because they realized how much people really
liked this little laptop with Linux on it and how useful it really
was. Since Vista is too bloated to be practical on this type of PC,
they would continue to lose sales if they didn't take that action.

Reviews of these little laptop have been very positive from people
that have never tried LInux, and they've been selling like hotcakes.
The more people that buy it and use it, the more people that will
realize that there are easy to use alternatives to Windows for
everyday tasks.

Yes, allowing Windows XP on this type of hardware may slow that down
some. But, I think more users will start to look at other
alternatives now that we're seeing more web based applications being
worked on, with Linux distros maturing at a more rapid rate at the
same time now (along with open source applications to use as
replacements for many Windows apps).

But, despite that effort on Microsoft's part to keep selling XP for
this type of machine, you get more "bang for the buck" buying their
Linux version of it (it comes with more solid state drive space
compared to the Windows version for the same price, even though the
distro ASUS is using is a commercial one).

Microsoft's FUD aboiut Linux patent violations (and deals with some
of the Linux providers like Novell) also seem to imply that they're
very worried about Linux.

We'll just have to wait and see. But, I've been extremely impressed
at how much some of the Linux distros have matured over the past
couple of years. Ditto for Wine so that you don't need to run
Windows for as many applications (thanks in no small part to Google's
efforts towards helping that project).

Gioogle's new web based applications and app engine development tools
are also very interesting, and I think MS is worried about that, too.
If the software you use doesn't need to run on Windows, then why use
it? ;-) I think we'll start seeing a lot more web based apps soon.

--
JimC
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http://www.pbase.com/jcockfield
When it comes to light PCs.. I think you are right.. this is a market that Linux being free, and now being much more usable is poised to dominate.. it could become a beachhead against Windows.. so Microsoft needs to figure out a model that offers Windows to this super cheap PC market or they will have issues.. so I agree they are scared or at least aware of a paradigm shift that could happen.

Google stuff is less of a worry.. Like anyone would really want to go from one giant corporations apps that at least work on their own machines and keep the files local to becoming dependent on network based aps from another Giant corporation is a hard sell. The case of Open Office is much better. I have installed that on family machines where there cost of Office made no sense..
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Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
Vista SP1 is lightyears ahead of XP since it's based on Windows
Server 2008 but computer illiterate have no clue .
Lightyears ahead in what way? I see XP got SP3 also.

And we all know that XP runs most applications faster, but hey..

"that's a nice car you have with a skoda engine, never mind, I like
the paint job!"

--



I am not the 'Ghost Hunter', nor am I the Irish actor in the 'Quiet
Man' ;-)
--Fact of the matter is XP Pro is stable, fast, and secure when set
up right which is easy for an experienced user. I haven't had any XP
loads lost to malware in over two years with XP Pro on 3 machines.
No data was ever lost in my 4+ years of using XP Pro.

XP x64 is even more stable and very secure, best of all unlike Vista,
almost all apps run seamlessly on it, and coders are still writing
drivers for it. I love XP x64. My latest app is the Spyder 3
Printing Suite.
Both DPP and ZB, as well as CS2 run perfectly on this work horse of
an OS.
That's exactly what XP has evolved into, a work horse that gets the
job done with no special treatment or bother. Easy to run, easy to
look at.

-Fortune favors the bold-
All my apps
CS2
Macromedia (dreamweaver 8 has issues with Groove not Vista)
Run fine on Vista...

SO big deal.. Glad your machine runs well... So does mine even better with Vista SP1
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Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
Hey thanks for that tip. I was actually thinking of a FTA satelight and what would be available through that (I don't think I am allowed to put a mast up for uhf in my neighbourhood). The big question can I get CBC, and City TV (preferably HD HD) on a legal FTA satelight system everything else would gravy.

Thanks for the tip.
BTW if anyone has good info on legal FTA channels available in
Ontario I would love a link :)
It naturally depends where in Ontario you are, but the following link
has a good summary of ATSC stations available in southern Ontario
(the transmitters are in Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo):

http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/

Getting off-the-air ATSC television in Canada is still a lot more
difficult than it is in the US, but in major markets it certainly is
available. The main issue is that the CRTC hasn't been as aggressive
as the FCC in pushing toward the analog shutdown, so the incentives
for the networks to make the switch are limited at this juncture.
With that said, if you are close enough to the border you can always
take advantage of the US networks ;)
 
When it comes to light PCs.. I think you are right.. this is a market
that Linux being free, and now being much more usable is poised to
dominate.. it could become a beachhead against Windows.. so Microsoft
needs to figure out a model that offers Windows to this super cheap
PC market or they will have issues.. so I agree they are scared or
at least aware of a paradigm shift that could happen.

Google stuff is less of a worry..
I am not so sure about that. You see, Google was able to figure out how to make money from the internet! They are also still growing in market share. This has opened the gate for GMail's success. GMail in turn is opening the door for Google Calendar, with some very nifty collaboration features. This in turn is opening the door for Google Docs, etc. While I agree that this in and of itself is not competing with Windows or Office, yet, it is certainly blocking MS from benefiting from that new market, confining MS into continued reliance on its old (increasingly threatened) cash cows for income.
Like anyone would really want to go
from one giant corporations apps that at least work on their own
machines and keep the files local to becoming dependent on network
based aps from another Giant corporation is a hard sell.
I agree that some things will never leave the local client. But, online mail has proved so convenient that people have been willing to compromise a good measure of privacy. If done properly, I think the same thing could happen with other type of data. The key asset for an online vendor is trust. Google has won the hearts of many by bing a generous company that gives you things for free. Even their home page has always been a breath of fresh air, devoid of processor and bandwidth sucking advertisements. Of course, it helps their case a lot to have the best search engine in the world, but their future prospects depend just as much on being perceived as " not evil".

http://investor.google.com/conduct.html

MS on the other hand has never been too concerned with their perceived evilness. Their business model did not depend on that. Now, it is a bit too late for them to change their colors and become a trusted company by its users. People in general perceive MS as a ruthless corporation interested in profits way more than in their users. (DRM any one?)
The case of
Open Office is much better. I have installed that on family machines
where there cost of Office made no sense..
OpenOffice.org is another huge problem for MS. Between Linux and OOo, a formidable challenge has emerged to MS old cash cows. MS keeps trying to diversify, but they don't seem to be getting anywhere with any of their efforts. At least as far as I am aware.
 
There is no doubt that Windows still holds the lead on market share,
but it is very, very hard to gauge how much has Linux penetrated the
install base already. The problem with using website access
statistics, of course, is that they vary widely from one site to
another.

http://www.fsckin.com/2007/10/29/browser-and-os-statistics-for-october/
The link I gave is a pretty respected source for helping people determine what needs to be supported.

The link above also has Firefox serioulsy over represented ,so it is clearly from site that is focuesd on non-MS offerings. (not saying Firefox is doing badly.. the opposite it has done amazinly well..Showing that the Netscape whines were about them missmanaging the product not because Microsoft wouldn't ship Netscape in the box.. Firefox has learned the key lesson to competing with MS.. be customer focused.. not anti-Microsoft focused.
This is a very good analysis of why this is such a challenge:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3687616
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Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
The applications support local storage. You can keep copies on your local disk drives, too (and still have the files available from anywhere you have browser access if you choose to keep them on Goggle's servers, too).

The files used are common formats. For example, if you use something like Google Docs at http://docs.google.com/ , you can download your files so that they are compatible with many formats, including word .doc files, pdf, html, text, rtf or open office files.

Most lightweight Linux distros have good tools built in already for office, multimedia, etc. anyway if the web based apps are unavailable for any reason. So, you have the best of both (local and/or web based applications and files)

Google's new app engine development tools are pretty cool, too.

http://code.google.com/appengine/

In my opinion, even if you don't want to use Google's tools and server space, web based applications are going to start increasing rapidly now. Look at the trend in bandwidth speed versus cost.

Even lighter weight PCs offer what most users need in a small amount of disk space, including local applications, even without web based apps like we'll start seeing more of.

As the migration to web based applications accelerates due to faster servers and lower cost for storage, better "bang for the buck" for bandwidth, and better tools for developing web based applications, the operating system of choice will be less important and Linux will become more and more attractive.

--
JimC
------
http://www.pbase.com/jcockfield
 
Linux keeps getting better but the often prophesied shake up is not
happening..
Microsoft appears very worried to me. Even that article you posted
a link to in a thread you started reminded me of that.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1004&message=27963251

Read the last 4 paragraphs on the second page about the Eee PC.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/14/AR2008051403552_2.html?hpid=news-col-blog&sid=ST2008051501061

IMO, they took that drastic action and worked out a deal to let them
keeping selling XP, because they realized how much people really
liked this little laptop with Linux on it and how useful it really
was. Since Vista is too bloated to be practical on this type of PC,
they would continue to lose sales if they didn't take that action.

Reviews of these little laptop have been very positive from people
that have never tried LInux, and they've been selling like hotcakes.
The more people that buy it and use it, the more people that will
realize that there are easy to use alternatives to Windows for
everyday tasks.

Yes, allowing Windows XP on this type of hardware may slow that down
some. But, I think more users will start to look at other
alternatives now that we're seeing more web based applications being
worked on, with Linux distros maturing at a more rapid rate at the
same time now (along with open source applications to use as
replacements for many Windows apps).

But, despite that effort on Microsoft's part to keep selling XP for
this type of machine, you get more "bang for the buck" buying their
Linux version of it (it comes with more solid state drive space
compared to the Windows version for the same price, even though the
distro ASUS is using is a commercial one).

Microsoft's FUD aboiut Linux patent violations (and deals with some
of the Linux providers like Novell) also seem to imply that they're
very worried about Linux.

We'll just have to wait and see. But, I've been extremely impressed
at how much some of the Linux distros have matured over the past
couple of years. Ditto for Wine so that you don't need to run
Windows for as many applications (thanks in no small part to Google's
efforts towards helping that project).

Gioogle's new web based applications and app engine development tools
are also very interesting, and I think MS is worried about that, too.
If the software you use doesn't need to run on Windows, then why use
it? ;-) I think we'll start seeing a lot more web based apps soon.

--
JimC
------
http://www.pbase.com/jcockfield
When it comes to light PCs.. I think you are right.. this is a market
that Linux being free, and now being much more usable is poised to
dominate.. it could become a beachhead against Windows.. so Microsoft
needs to figure out a model that offers Windows to this super cheap
PC market or they will have issues.. so I agree they are scared or
at least aware of a paradigm shift that could happen.
--MS should be worried; they allowed themselves to get behind the curve and their stockholders will pay the price. Worse they left a potentially formidable competitor get a stronger foothold. Intel and others learn there are viable alternatives that their customers like and will buy. Bill's decision to stay at the helm isn't going to help allay stockholders fears either. 1999 was a much happier time for many. http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/chartdl.aspx?D5=0&D4=1&ViewType=0&D3=0&Symbol=MSFT&ShowChtBt=Refresh+Chart&DateRangeForm=1&CE=0&C9=0&DisplayForm=1&ComparisonsForm=1&CP=0&PT=10

Being hated is not a business advantages, and MS doesn't seem to grasp this simple concept at all. MS should learn that people don't enjoy buying the same software over and over unless it's really a big improvement. There should never be a reason to buy the same song twice; DRM is a shady way to steal from the paying customers, while giving no benefits in return, only aggravation.

Turn about is fair play. About time the tail smacks MS square in it's head.

-Fortune favors the bold-
 
Vista SP1 is lightyears ahead of XP since it's based on Windows
Server 2008 but computer illiterate have no clue .
I agree. The Vista kernel implements significant features to improve security, smooth multitasking and reduce incidence of the entire OS crashing from poorly behaved apps and drivers. These are all under the skin and require someone actually care enough to investigate ... a harder task than just launching a new Vista-attack thread promoting every anti-Vista article that shows up somewhere.

A few under-the-skin Vista improvements include:

1. Address space layout randomization: remaps the address space randomly so that buffer overrun exploits in buggy software can't count on the overrun landing on specific code. Combined with support for hardware data execution prevention, this is a significant hardening against one of the most commonly exploited software bug categories.

2. Kernel patch protection (in Vista 64-bit), which prevents malicious user software from patching the kernel unless it's signed by MS.

3. Sandboxable critical services, which are isolated from user interference.

4. Application folder space protection: links used to redirect file traffic away from the C:\Program Files\ branch to a user's personal app data space. Not only helps prevent application corruption but ensures that one user can't change settings that impact another.

5. File shadow copy system that allows rollback to previous versions at the file level (in Ultimate and Business versions, although it ought have been included in all versions).

6. Usable standard user accounts that don't cause apps to break while running in standard (non admin) mode.

7. Ability of drivers to restart without crashing system.

There are significant UI improvements as well:

1. Very fast desktop search, allowing easy file/app launch in just a few keystrokes.

2. Virtual folders, consisting of the results of a saved search. Allows the same files to appear in multiple virtual collections.

3. File path breadcrumbs, which allow you to easily move sideways in a directory tree without having to move up the tree and then back down. Just click on any folder in a displayed folder's path and see a drop down of all the other folders that are contained within the clicked-on folder, for instant access to any of them.

4. Taskbar buttons that show live content thumbnails of the running app when you hover the mouse pointer over them, allowing easy monitoring of tasks running in the background without having to restore the app, check it and re-minimize.

5. Resolution independence. In any icon-based file display mode, you can scale the icon size at will using the mouse wheel. Combined with font scaling, allows you to employ a high-dpi monitor to best effect ... for sharper icons and text rather than resulting in tiny icons and text.

David
 
I am not speaking from lack of experience. The promised improvements in Vista sounded great - on paper - to me too.

But the experience that we have had with Vista on two PC's (one a laptop from acer, the other a carefully constructed whitebox) has been an unmitigated disaster. Not since Windows 3.1 have I seen random lock ups like this. These improved minimally with disabling all of the useless effects and applying the patches, but it appears that Vista, for all of it's promises simply doesn't deliver the goods in a reliable fashion. At least not for us.

At present our home has 6 desktops and 4 laptops all running XP with no problems. My only issue is that I was hoping to migrate to the 64 bit enviornment and had planned to do it with Vista, but after the experiences that we have had with Vista 32, I don't think I would ever touch a Vista machine again.

My mail server, running XP, slowly deteriorated after two years of continuous service. We will swap out some of the components, reload the OS and start anew.

The Vista laptop however, we will give away. The Vista desktop was reloaded with XP and it absolutely screams with XP (as I would expect a fast core 2 duo with 4 GB of RAM and a RAID 0 C disk.

We have one mac, and are thinking of migrating to the mac enviornment, but we have deferred the decision as our XP machines are basically running without a problem.
 
I am not speaking from lack of experience. The promised improvements
in Vista sounded great - on paper - to me too.
But the experience that we have had with Vista on two PC's (one a
laptop from acer, the other a carefully constructed whitebox) has
been an unmitigated disaster. Not since Windows 3.1 have I seen
random lock ups like this. These improved minimally with disabling
all of the useless effects and applying the patches, but it appears
that Vista, for all of it's promises simply doesn't deliver the goods
in a reliable fashion. At least not for us.
At present our home has 6 desktops and 4 laptops all running XP with
no problems. My only issue is that I was hoping to migrate to the 64
bit enviornment and had planned to do it with Vista, but after the
experiences that we have had with Vista 32, I don't think I would
ever touch a Vista machine again.
My mail server, running XP, slowly deteriorated after two years of
continuous service. We will swap out some of the components, reload
the OS and start anew.
The Vista laptop however, we will give away. The Vista desktop was
reloaded with XP and it absolutely screams with XP (as I would expect
a fast core 2 duo with 4 GB of RAM and a RAID 0 C disk.
We have one mac, and are thinking of migrating to the mac
enviornment, but we have deferred the decision as our XP machines are
basically running without a problem.
I have three home built machines and 3 note books all on vista even two older XP shipped notebooks that were upgraded for work reasons orginally that ll work fine.

The Dell was actually upgraded over XP.. but with the help of a Dell disk.. I would never reccomend doing that, had to to keep a remote domain membership.

Notebook brands are Dell 2 years old, Fujitsu 4 years old, New $1200 HP

Main cause of issues blamed on Vista is bad driver installs and for the first 4-5 months just imature drivers especially from Nvidia.. and I have Nvidia on all my working machines to even that can work.

You need to look elsewhere than the OS for your issues...

Some good tips here.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=437&tag=nl.e622
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Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
I find it amusing where you guys are still arguing about Vista vs XP and the Linux group sneaks in and changes the whole subject! There's other things in life to worry about and this subject is nonsense. Get a life! Just choose your OS and be happy. Do you really need to justify your choice and have someone agree with you? Otherwise you're essentially doubting your choice and makes you look like a wimp.
 
tocar wrote:
Do you really need to
justify your choice and have someone agree with you? Otherwise
you're essentially doubting your choice and makes you look like a
wimp.
--Yes.

You miss the finer points of a debate or argument. Anyway I need all the practice I can get at being assertive.

Um... why did YOU post here?

-Fortune favors the bold-
 
Hey thanks for that tip. I was actually thinking of a FTA satelight
and what would be available through that (I don't think I am allowed
to put a mast up for uhf in my neighbourhood). The big question can I
get CBC, and City TV (preferably HD HD) on a legal FTA satelight
system everything else would gravy.
Haven't tried FTA satellite service, however if you're in the GTA most of the channels transmitted from the CN tower (including CBC and CityTV) can easily be picked up with a simple tabletop antenna. Naturally, a mast mounted antenna will pull in more stations, but it really isn't necessary for the big networks. If you are further away from the city, of course, things may be a little more difficult.

Either way, we're straying a bit off topic for this forum, but you're best bet for information on this topic are the forums at http://www.digitalhome.ca .
 
There is a no 'finer' points or arguments in your original subject. Just because a corporation isn't changing from XP doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't use Vista. Why am I posting? 'Cause I can!!! Assertive is one thing but being a troll is another. You want your hatred justified by hearing other people complain about Vista. Leave Brit.. I mean Vista alone!
 
There is a no 'finer' points or arguments in your original subject.
Just because a corporation isn't changing from XP doesn't mean the
rest of us shouldn't use Vista. Why am I posting? 'Cause I can!!!
Assertive is one thing but being a troll is another. You want your
hatred justified by hearing other people complain about Vista. Leave
Brit.. I mean Vista alone!
--You can use vista to your hearts content, in fact I hope you do. However you have no leeway to accuse anyone in this thread of trolling as you escalated this thread about vista to personal level of insult in your previous post:

"Do you really need to justify your choice and have someone agree with you? Otherwise you're essentially doubting your choice and makes you look like a wimp."

You understand how to throw a cheap shot, but not how to be effectively assertive. I don't I that problem...

The fact that many companies, not just GM, are bypassing vista is overshadowed by the fact the even more coders are bypassing it as well by ignoring it and not writing code for it:

"Only 8 percent of 380 developers surveyed by Evans Data Corp. in April are writing applications for Vista, while 49 percent are still writing applications for primarily for the predecessor Windows version , XP. In addition, 11 percent said are applications mostly for Microsoft Office 2003, while 9 percent are focused on Linux-based apps"

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/145888/developers_prefer_xp_over_vista_survey_shows.html?tk=rel_news

Chew on that for a while.

-Fortune favors the bold-
 
From the same article

"The survey also found that 29 percent of the developers surveyed will primarily target XP next year, with 24 percent targeting Vista. Overall, 67 percent of developers will primarily target a Windows version while 15 percent write applications for Linux.

"[Developers] see a market shift from XP to Vista and that is why they are saying they are going to be moving from XP to Vista (in 2009)," he added."

Thats jargon explaining how development moves with the market. Change doesn't happen overnight. And anyone interested in making money in development isn't going to target a new OS without making the software compatable with an older OS that is installed on more than half the computers in the market.

Its called spin, I would bet money that those 49 percent of develpers writing "primarily" for xp are making sure to test there product on Vista.
 
Thanks for the link. It is informative, but I don't think that it argues or concludes that Vista is in any way a superior OS.

As you know there are basically 2 sides to the Vista debate in the PC columnist world. There is what we might call the John C Dvorak side of things headed by his "Windows Death Watch" article in PC mag a few months back.

Then there is the Vista is "broken but fixable" side that concedes that Vista as shipped in most past and current installs doesn't actually work, but that with hours of hard work you can get it to run pretty smoothly. (as long as you don't ask it to do too much).

As Ed Bott in the article that you linked to points out; "In 2008, there is no excuse for a PC maker to ship a Vista-based system that is anything less than fast and reliable. Sadly, many of them still do a terrible job, loading new PCs (especially notebooks) with outdated drivers, crapware, and overbearing security software that can result in a terrible Vista experience." And this statement is from one of Vista chief supporters and apologists.

Last December I gave my 11 year old a new laptop. His older brother had purchased a new Dell laptop to take to college. The college advised it's enrollees against Vista in any form, and so the older brother bought a new lattitude with XP through the college discount program and it worked and still works great.

The younger son, for Christmass recieved a shiny new Vista laptop. What followed was a series of misfortunes including crsahes that cost him much time on trashed homework assignments. He couldn't even surf the web or play a very simple game without crashes. The ultimate impact came when after the machine was frozen sollid for perhaps 20 minutes (and my son was now working on his homework on one of the XPdesktops), the thing pseudo springs back to life and pops up a message that says to the effect, that it has detected that we are having a less then ideal "Vista experience" and that perhaps we should try adjusting some of the useless bells and whistles.

I have zero patience for an OS that makes my son wonder why his older brother got a nice laptop, and he got a "broken one". No OS should need over 500 patches / bug fixes / whatever you want to call them, in it's first service pack just to achieve the most basic level of functionality. Many of the bells and whistles that might have added some functionality to Vista, can also be added to XP (either directly through microsoft or through more functional 3rd party code)

What I have learned from Vista supports the conclusions that a lot of folks are reaching about micosoft as a company that produces mission critical software. In a nutshell:
1.) Don't buy any new MS product that is less then 1 year old. Ever.

2.) Don't even consider something before the first major service pack. Waiting for the second is probably better still. (Perhaps we would reconsider vista after SP2 if we haven't moved to something else by then)

3.) If MS says that you need to upgrade and that they are going to phase out their old product, that means that you should buy and stockpile their old product. The more that they aggressively push the new software, the more the major discount chains sell machines with the software pre-installed, (and no option to choose the older reliable software), the less you want to go near it.

4.) Windows is a house of cards. It's endless registry and ever expanding OS, via the infamous DLL's produce an enviornment that is flexible / expandable but also inherently unstable. Better to keep the house of cards only a few stories high.

No vendor of any device or software gets to sell me a broken product, and then tell me to fix it myself. Microsoft refused to address user concerns at any level. The biggest insult of all is to blame the dysfunctional product on the end user themselves. I can't imagine a better advertisement ... for Apple.
 

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