IT & the photo biz

Andy Scholz

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I am an amatuer photographer with aspirations of actually working, at some level, in this field.

Although several people have told me I do have some talent(!), I am old and ugly enough to know that it takes a hell of a lot more than just a little talent, buying a good camera (D60) and a few basic skills to make a living here.

But I do have a great deal of experience in IT, particlularly in the development of high-end Internet-based document management systems.

What I am thinking is that, given the proliferation of digital technologies (and therefore data) in the photo biz, there may just be opportunites to use my skills and experience in IT, along with my understanding (albeit limited) of digital photographic processes and workflow, to find work where I can apply my knowledge of both disciplines and actually add value.

What I would like to ask of the pros in this forum is: Do you think such opportunities might actually exist? Or am I just plain dreaming?

cheers,
andy
http://www.exodelta.com/gallery
 
  1. 176 is very like many on west coast of Ireland...but could it be NZ?
Oh... I like the gallery

Brief answer to the question. There are many photographers out there who can take good photos (this being one skill of many that is required). If you can market your photos, via a web site, that allows different user groups to get what they need, then you have a much better chance of selling photos, than someone who doesn't have such facility.

Look at how Amazon (for instance) market stuff, you can buy in just about any High street (or Mall)? They make the site very appealing; they make it very easy for someone to buy stuff then and their - even if its their first time on the site.They give lots of feedback.

That, I think, is where your IT skills come in big style.

However all said and done, you must have right product; target at right market; sell at right price.

The IT skills just make it a little easier

other will have much better analyses than I, but I hope this is of a little help.

Jon
I am an amatuer photographer with aspirations of actually working,
at some level, in this field.

Although several people have told me I do have some talent(!), I am
old and ugly enough to know that it takes a hell of a lot more than
just a little talent, buying a good camera (D60) and a few basic
skills to make a living here.

But I do have a great deal of experience in IT, particlularly in
the development of high-end Internet-based document management
systems.

What I am thinking is that, given the proliferation of digital
technologies (and therefore data) in the photo biz, there may
just be opportunites to use my skills and experience in IT, along
with my understanding (albeit limited) of digital photographic
processes and workflow, to find work where I can apply my knowledge
of both disciplines and actually add value.

What I would like to ask of the pros in this forum is: Do you think
such opportunities might actually exist? Or am I just plain
dreaming?

cheers,
andy
http://www.exodelta.com/gallery
--
Jon Stewart
[email protected]
 
Hi Jon,

It is in fact NZ (like all of them - shot in the last few weeks near where I now live) - I have been to the west coast of Ireland but till now didnt actually realise the similarity - thanks for stimulating my memory!!!

Appreciate your comments - they are very valid - but the point I'm trying to get across is whether my IT/Development skills are really of any value in the photo biz - aside from any dot-com type stuff.

cheers,
andy
  1. 176 is very like many on west coast of Ireland...but could it be NZ?
Oh... I like the gallery

Brief answer to the question. There are many photographers out
there who can take good photos (this being one skill of many that
is required). If you can market your photos, via a web site, that
allows different user groups to get what they need, then you have a
much better chance of selling photos, than someone who doesn't have
such facility.

Look at how Amazon (for instance) market stuff, you can buy in just
about any High street (or Mall)? They make the site very appealing;
they make it very easy for someone to buy stuff then and their -
even if its their first time on the site.They give lots of feedback.

That, I think, is where your IT skills come in big style.

However all said and done, you must have right product; target at
right market; sell at right price.

The IT skills just make it a little easier

other will have much better analyses than I, but I hope this is of
a little help.

Jon
I am an amatuer photographer with aspirations of actually working,
at some level, in this field.

Although several people have told me I do have some talent(!), I am
old and ugly enough to know that it takes a hell of a lot more than
just a little talent, buying a good camera (D60) and a few basic
skills to make a living here.

But I do have a great deal of experience in IT, particlularly in
the development of high-end Internet-based document management
systems.

What I am thinking is that, given the proliferation of digital
technologies (and therefore data) in the photo biz, there may
just be opportunites to use my skills and experience in IT, along
with my understanding (albeit limited) of digital photographic
processes and workflow, to find work where I can apply my knowledge
of both disciplines and actually add value.

What I would like to ask of the pros in this forum is: Do you think
such opportunities might actually exist? Or am I just plain
dreaming?

cheers,
andy
http://www.exodelta.com/gallery
--
Jon Stewart
[email protected]
 
Hi Jon,

I am similiar to you in that I have an in-depth computer background. I did data systems analysis but am retired now and dabble in events photogrpahy ( http://fotogold.com ). Just the other day I was reading a thread in another forum where a guy who had IT skills was asking about breaking into photography by working as a photographer's assistant.

The thread got way off the subject, but there was one suggestion that made a lot of sense to me (I may even try it). Someone suggested that the guy try to connect with a film photographer who wanted to transition to digital or who was weak on the digital side. IT skills would be very valuable in such a relationship .. work flow processes, processing (as in Photoshop) the other guy's pics, advice on camera selection, computer system selection, maybe designing a site for him, doing his printing, transrferring the pics to the site, etc., etc., etc.

Hope this helps!
 
Andy,

Very few people are successful at combining work and hobby. However, we read the stories of those who do, and dream of doing so ourselves. More often, once you start doing something professionally, the pure pleasure of doing it for yourself lessens or goes away completely.

One problem every photographer faces is the belief that photography is easy and anyone with a camera can do it, so why pay money for it. The trend to automatic cameras over the recent decades hasn't help dispel this belief.

I like the idea of approaching a job in photography via the computer avenue. People still see computers as exotic and difficult. Hone your Photoshop skills and seek work there. Then you will come in contact with people who need and pay for photographs, and perhaps you can segue your way into taking the pictures, too.

Another suggestion: Don't focus on acquiring all the trappings (photographic equipment). Learn to use what you already have, and only acquire equipment when it is required for a job (and the job pays enough to cover the cost).

Cheers,

Tyler Monson
Seattle, Washington
 
Thanks Johman - thats definately an interesting angle!

cheers
andy
Hi Jon,

I am similiar to you in that I have an in-depth computer
background. I did data systems analysis but am retired now and
dabble in events photogrpahy ( http://fotogold.com ). Just the other
day I was reading a thread in another forum where a guy who had IT
skills was asking about breaking into photography by working as a
photographer's assistant.

The thread got way off the subject, but there was one suggestion
that made a lot of sense to me (I may even try it). Someone
suggested that the guy try to connect with a film photographer who
wanted to transition to digital or who was weak on the digital
side. IT skills would be very valuable in such a relationship ..
work flow processes, processing (as in Photoshop) the other guy's
pics, advice on camera selection, computer system selection, maybe
designing a site for him, doing his printing, transrferring the
pics to the site, etc., etc., etc.

Hope this helps!
 
Thanks Tyler - thats some very good comon-sense advice - I appreciate it.

cheers
andy
Andy,
Very few people are successful at combining work and hobby.
However, we read the stories of those who do, and dream of doing so
ourselves. More often, once you start doing something
professionally, the pure pleasure of doing it for yourself lessens
or goes away completely.
One problem every photographer faces is the belief that photography
is easy and anyone with a camera can do it, so why pay money for
it. The trend to automatic cameras over the recent decades hasn't
help dispel this belief.
I like the idea of approaching a job in photography via the
computer avenue. People still see computers as exotic and
difficult. Hone your Photoshop skills and seek work there. Then you
will come in contact with people who need and pay for photographs,
and perhaps you can segue your way into taking the pictures, too.
Another suggestion: Don't focus on acquiring all the trappings
(photographic equipment). Learn to use what you already have, and
only acquire equipment when it is required for a job (and the job
pays enough to cover the cost).

Cheers,

Tyler Monson
Seattle, Washington
 
Andy,

I find myself in a very similar position as you...

I was a stills photographer back in the late '80s who did mostly photo-journalism... I did not do weddings/portraiture other than, when asked by friends and colleagues, as a hobby as I simply did not like the dark-room side of things...

My fears proved right, alas, when I became very ill with a glandular type illness - drained me physically so that I felt exhausted all the time - as a result of all the chemicals and gunk... and was advised to avoid the chemicals... was so angry/upset that I destroyed all my work - threw it all into several black bags one-day and dumped it down the local tip.

Luckily, I moved into Film & TV Production, made a number of documentaries on 16mm. film and then made a number of TV programmes on Beta for TV here in the UK. I really enjoyed that job and loved getting up in the morning but... around the mid-90s the TV industry here in the UK went into decline and most people became self-employed freelancers... in the end the TV companies had people working on a day by day basis and, well, you would sit around a 'phone all day waiting for it to ring. You could not live like that.

However, I had got interested in a company back in the '80s called Microsoft, wish I had bought some shares, had become a computer geek

and made a decision to move into IT where, eventually, I became a Consultant Internet Architect, which I still am to this day, which, although it paid ridiculous money, was not something that I wanted to get up in the morning for. No joy.

Now... I don't know what the industry is like in NZ but, here in the UK and also in the US where I have/had clients, IT has gone into decline in the last 12 months since the dot.con bubble burst.

Salaries have been cut and, until there is another boom, IT, bearing in mind the stress and the never-ending learning curve, is not worth doing. Anyhow, here in the UK there are tens of thousands of unemployed IT people at present so things do not look good... nor do they look getting better anytime soon... either in the UK, the US or Globally.

I have been following digi photography for about 18 months now but, up until recently, I have not felt the cameras were up to 35mm film or were simply too expensive. Digi is great for me - no chemicals.

However, I now see the opportunity as being now to get into digi photography and, more importantly, to combine it with my IT skills as photography, in effect, evolves into a new industry. Many of the film guys I know just cannot hack it with PCs. Sadly, they will increasingly find work harder to get or, perhaps, come to people like ourselves for help.

I see digi photography as an extension of the IT services that my consultancy currently offers - Internet/Intranet Architecture, Security, Broadband Streaming Media, etc..

Hence why you will see numerous 'Dummies' questions in here from me as I ramp up to speed on digi photography. Worse case scenario, I can do something I love again!

Go for it!

Janek.
cheers
andy
Andy,
Very few people are successful at combining work and hobby.
However, we read the stories of those who do, and dream of doing so
ourselves. More often, once you start doing something
professionally, the pure pleasure of doing it for yourself lessens
or goes away completely.
One problem every photographer faces is the belief that photography
is easy and anyone with a camera can do it, so why pay money for
it. The trend to automatic cameras over the recent decades hasn't
help dispel this belief.
I like the idea of approaching a job in photography via the
computer avenue. People still see computers as exotic and
difficult. Hone your Photoshop skills and seek work there. Then you
will come in contact with people who need and pay for photographs,
and perhaps you can segue your way into taking the pictures, too.
Another suggestion: Don't focus on acquiring all the trappings
(photographic equipment). Learn to use what you already have, and
only acquire equipment when it is required for a job (and the job
pays enough to cover the cost).

Cheers,

Tyler Monson
Seattle, Washington
 
Actually several of my partners and I were recent dot.commie casualties, and took it upon ourselves to finally go full time with photography. We built everything on our site ourselves (code, design, etc.) and if you went by our old titles we had a designer, production artist, producer and developer who built it and the business.

Let me know what you all think since we are proud of what we've built from scratch:
http://www.orangeexposure.com/

gene

--
orange[photography]
http://www.orangephotography.com

wedding galleries
http://www.orangephotography.com/servlet/GalleryServlet?action=VIEW&galleryid=6

orange(exposure)
http://www.orangeexposure.com
 
Suffice to say it has been added to my Favorites... It is late here and I need sleep before looking at it in detail but, from what I briefly saw, very impressive...

Janek.
Actually several of my partners and I were recent dot.commie
casualties, and took it upon ourselves to finally go full time with
photography. We built everything on our site ourselves (code,
design, etc.) and if you went by our old titles we had a designer,
production artist, producer and developer who built it and the
business.

Let me know what you all think since we are proud of what we've
built from scratch:
http://www.orangeexposure.com/

gene

--
orange[photography]
http://www.orangephotography.com

wedding galleries
http://www.orangephotography.com/servlet/GalleryServlet?action=VIEW&galleryid=6

orange(exposure)
http://www.orangeexposure.com
 
Thanks for sharing Janek - I'd be intersted to see how you go with this - certainly sounds like you've got a pretty good handle on things. Wish you the best....

cheers
andy
 
You should be proud - this is great! & Awesome pics too!

Funnily enough, I was just talking to someone the other day about a very similar concept to what you're doing - but you guys are WAY ahead of anything I could come up with.

Thanks for the post - its great to see someone actually getting out there & doing it! Maybe there is some hope for me yet.....

cheers
andy
Actually several of my partners and I were recent dot.commie
casualties, and took it upon ourselves to finally go full time with
photography. We built everything on our site ourselves (code,
design, etc.) and if you went by our old titles we had a designer,
production artist, producer and developer who built it and the
business.

Let me know what you all think since we are proud of what we've
built from scratch:
http://www.orangeexposure.com/

gene

--
orange[photography]
http://www.orangephotography.com

wedding galleries
http://www.orangephotography.com/servlet/GalleryServlet?action=VIEW&galleryid=6

orange(exposure)
http://www.orangeexposure.com
 
Thanks for the feedback. It's been a lot of work, but when you love what you do (web stuff and photography) it makes it a lot easier.

Any critical/constructive comments are appreciated as well.

gene
Funnily enough, I was just talking to someone the other day about a
very similar concept to what you're doing - but you guys are WAY
ahead of anything I could come up with.

Thanks for the post - its great to see someone actually getting out
there & doing it! Maybe there is some hope for me yet.....

cheers
andy
Actually several of my partners and I were recent dot.commie
casualties, and took it upon ourselves to finally go full time with
photography. We built everything on our site ourselves (code,
design, etc.) and if you went by our old titles we had a designer,
production artist, producer and developer who built it and the
business.

Let me know what you all think since we are proud of what we've
built from scratch:
http://www.orangeexposure.com/

gene
--
orange[photography]
http://www.orangephotography.com

wedding galleries
http://www.orangephotography.com/servlet/GalleryServlet?action=VIEW&galleryid=6

orange(exposure)
http://www.orangeexposure.com
 
I'm using a Mac and IE 5.1

At your splash page the register pop-up page appeared but never loaded. I waited a while but nothing came through. I then clicked on the "photographers" link, in order to read about you guys, and was greated by the dreaded 404, and I quote:
servlet/oe_photogs.jsp was not found on this server.

I kept looking, briefly jummping around and really liked what I saw. I'm not trying to snipe you, just letting you know what little glitches I encountered.
Best of luck with your business,
Tim
 
I'm using a Mac and IE 5.1
At your splash page the register pop-up page appeared but never
loaded. I waited a while but nothing came through. I then clicked
on the "photographers" link, in order to read about you guys, and
was greated by the dreaded 404, and I quote:
servlet/oe_photogs.jsp was not found on this server.

I kept looking, briefly jummping around and really liked what I
saw. I'm not trying to snipe you, just letting you know what little
glitches I encountered.
Best of luck with your business,
Tim
Ok, not to harp, I wanted to see more of your images (they're enthralling) and funny things happened. I was jumping around again and this time was able to get to the "photographers" profile page (the VERY one I said didn't load) but then, when I clicked on the "travel" link of one of your photographers, I got this message:
500 Servlet Exception

java.lang.NullPointerException
at viewphoto jsp. jspService(viewphoto.jsp:197)
at com.caucho.jsp.JavaPage.service(JavaPage.java:74)
at com.caucho.jsp.Page.subservice(Page.java:476)
at com.caucho.server.http.FilterChainPage.doFilter(FilterChainPage.java:176)
at com.caucho.server.http.Invocation.service(Invocation.java:277)
at com.caucho.server.http.CacheInvocation.service(CacheInvocation.java:129)
at com.caucho.server.http.RunnerRequest.handleRequest(RunnerRequest.java:337)
at com.caucho.server.http.RunnerRequest.handleConnection(RunnerRequest.java:269)
at com.caucho.server.TcpConnection.run(TcpConnection.java:140)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:539)

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Resin 2.0.3 (built Wed Oct 17 10:11:08 PDT 2001)

I hope that my posting this will help you fix it. You have great stuff.
 
Thanks for the feedback. It's been a lot of work, but when you
love what you do (web stuff and photography) it makes it a lot
easier.

Any critical/constructive comments are appreciated as well.

gene

Gene,
Just toured your website. Great, fantastic, etc. Now, have you considered franchising this website to other photographers? I'm not talking about using your site, but offering your software with customizability on their own website? If you do, I'm interested. I'll bet there are a lot of people who would pay to duplicate your efforts. It's a lot easier (and more profitable) the 100,000th time around.

Dennis
Nikon Coolpix 995
Nikon TC-E3 Lens
Rollbar System Flash/Tripod Bracket
Nikon SB-50DX Flash
Lexar 256MB Flash Card
Xtend a View Pro LCD Hood
Nikon MC-EU1 Remote Cord
Nikon ES-E28 Slide Copy Adaptor
Megrez 80 Telescope
DLS 28 Scope Lens Adapter

http://www.pbase.com/jokasmophia/galleries/inbox
 
Hm, we probably need to check into those errors since we don't QA as much with Mac's.

Thanks for noting those errors those. We'll look into them.

gene
I'm using a Mac and IE 5.1
At your splash page the register pop-up page appeared but never
loaded. I waited a while but nothing came through. I then clicked
on the "photographers" link, in order to read about you guys, and
was greated by the dreaded 404, and I quote:
servlet/oe_photogs.jsp was not found on this server.

I kept looking, briefly jummping around and really liked what I
saw. I'm not trying to snipe you, just letting you know what little
glitches I encountered.
Best of luck with your business,
Tim
Ok, not to harp, I wanted to see more of your images (they're
enthralling) and funny things happened. I was jumping around again
and this time was able to get to the "photographers" profile page
(the VERY one I said didn't load) but then, when I clicked on the
"travel" link of one of your photographers, I got this message:
500 Servlet Exception

java.lang.NullPointerException
at viewphoto jsp. jspService(viewphoto.jsp:197)
at com.caucho.jsp.JavaPage.service(JavaPage.java:74)
at com.caucho.jsp.Page.subservice(Page.java:476)
at
com.caucho.server.http.FilterChainPage.doFilter(FilterChainPage.java:176)
at com.caucho.server.http.Invocation.service(Invocation.java:277)
at
com.caucho.server.http.CacheInvocation.service(CacheInvocation.java:129)
at
com.caucho.server.http.RunnerRequest.handleRequest(RunnerRequest.java:337)
at
com.caucho.server.http.RunnerRequest.handleConnection(RunnerRequest.java:269)
at com.caucho.server.TcpConnection.run(TcpConnection.java:140)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:539)

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Resin 2.0.3 (built Wed Oct 17 10:11:08 PDT 2001)

I hope that my posting this will help you fix it. You have great
stuff.
--
orange[photography]
http://www.orangephotography.com

wedding galleries
http://www.orangephotography.com/servlet/GalleryServlet?action=VIEW&galleryid=6

orange(exposure)
http://www.orangeexposure.com
 
Dennis, we have considered that, and probably won't start on the development of the administration tool for the back end that right now isn't user friendly enough to be able to market for others to use.

As we are expanding locally, we're using our other photographers as input on what other features on the back end (reporting, etc.) that they might want before we can do as you've suggested.

Since the front end we are more comfortable with, it's the administrative tools we're working on refining.

thanks!
gene
Thanks for the feedback. It's been a lot of work, but when you
love what you do (web stuff and photography) it makes it a lot
easier.

Any critical/constructive comments are appreciated as well.

gene

Gene,
Just toured your website. Great, fantastic, etc. Now, have you
considered franchising this website to other photographers? I'm
not talking about using your site, but offering your software with
customizability on their own website? If you do, I'm interested.
I'll bet there are a lot of people who would pay to duplicate your
efforts. It's a lot easier (and more profitable) the 100,000th
time around.

Dennis
Nikon Coolpix 995
Nikon TC-E3 Lens
Rollbar System Flash/Tripod Bracket
Nikon SB-50DX Flash
Lexar 256MB Flash Card
Xtend a View Pro LCD Hood
Nikon MC-EU1 Remote Cord
Nikon ES-E28 Slide Copy Adaptor
Megrez 80 Telescope
DLS 28 Scope Lens Adapter

http://www.pbase.com/jokasmophia/galleries/inbox
--
orange[photography]
http://www.orangephotography.com

wedding galleries
http://www.orangephotography.com/servlet/GalleryServlet?action=VIEW&galleryid=6

orange(exposure)
http://www.orangeexposure.com
 

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