Models gone BAD!

The thread "Weddings gone BAD!" has met with enormous interest.

Perhaps the subject of "Models gone BAD!" would meet an equal level of reminicenses?

The floor is yours....!

I don't think so. Model photographers are a rare species here. You will find a lot of landscapers, animal and wedding photographers, but just a handful of photographers who have to deal with models.

A better headline would be "Models gone MAD!" (That's the truth)

Markus

pandionutv said:

The thread "Weddings gone BAD!" has met with enormous interest.

Perhaps the subject of "Models gone BAD!" would meet an equal level
of reminicenses?

The floor is yours....!

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I agree with Markus here... Models gone bad (or mad) are best not talked about in public fora.

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.. but sorry, nothing bad to say other than flakes are a serious (but rare) PITA.

No humorous stories.

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You will find model photography great if you want to spend a lot of time on the phone talking to wanna-bes who can not afford model photography !!!

I have yet to have a bad experience during a shoot. Post shoot and viewing is another matter.

I had one model come in and tell me I made her look fat. Mind you, this model was about 5 feet 8 inches tall and wieghed maybe 120 pounds....wet (thin in my book, but she looked darn good).

She gave me an ear-full and went on a rant for about 20 minutes while I just sat there and watched and listened to her. She finally stormed off after throwing the album across the room. I didn't get one word in nor a "goodbye."

She called me the next day and apologized and told me she had a bad headache the day before because she had not eaten anything all day....go figure. She did come back and paid for the portfolio.

Most models are pretty nice. They like to smile, model, and have a good time.

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The only time I actually made money shooting models was when I was in a major market in Chicago. I am from peoria Ill originally and am back there now.

if your not in a major market or there is not a fashion account to be had within your area,shooting models can be frustrating. If one does it they should approach it as getting them shots onlt for a model agency to look at and not their finished composite sheet. The angency will have them do that in the major market. Your job should only be getting their foot in the door of that agency to begin with if even that. Otherwise fashion in a town where there is none can be as one person said it...a bunch of wanna bees.

Fashion though is a good background for other areas like weddings,portraits ,ect. having that style mix like fashion,fineart and commercial can create a neat style.
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About my only "problem" with a model came long after submitting the processed pics for a national wine company campaign, and the owners insisted I had airbrushed the heck out of one lady. The essence of the campaign was about women as they really are, and we were careful to make them look the attractive women that they were, in spite of the wrinkles and laugh lines of age.

But this one model became problematic, and in retrospect, her shot certainly looks airbrushed in comparison to the others. The worst part is I didn't touch a thing; she had the most perfect skin I have ever seen.

The makeup was done by a professional who knew exactly what she was doing and knew the minimalist look we were trying to achieve, and the post-processing was an absolute minimum. But we will not likely ever use her again because her skin was literally TOO perfect.

She was very nice, very professional and a lovely lady, but none of us have the heart to tell her why we won't use her on any future shoots.

I guess this isn't really models gone bad, but more like models too GOOD. Hope this qualifies ...

Fashion, swim wear, retail, and advertising work have all required my hiring of models over the years. However, unlike weddings, the photographer is (or should be) in complete control of the model (and all other support individuals). If you have a story of a "model gone bad" it's ultimately the fault of the photographer for letting things get out of control. That's part of what makes a true professional worth their day rate.

The worst I've had to deal with is a twenty pound or twenty year gap between the models comp card and her present state. That's the reason for the "go see" or "cattle call", to ascertain that the model IS who you're hiring, not who they WERE. It has happened a few times, and led to a call to the model's agency to rip 'em a new one for sending the model on a casting call where they didn't belong, and for wasting my time.

There is (or was) a thread about Annie Liebowitz (sic?) and her "level" of skill. MOST of what make her "great" is her control of the subjects of her photographs. I could walk into a room with Pete Townsend or Bette Midler and get a good exposure, but there's no way I could command the situation (think wide eyed assistants and big headed celebrities!) long enough to work it to a level as she can.
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I once did an outdoor (in public) shoot of a 14yo girl; HER MOTHER WAS WITH HER.

She wore a "semi" sheer dress, where you could just BARELY see her (white) bra/panty. I stress "barely" because it was NOT sheer enough to be objectionable, and I was not overly concerned.

HOWEVER, I was concerned enough to "suggest" to her MOTHER that the girl remove her bra/panty, (the dress was not sheer enough that anything would show).

In other words, I did suspect the bra/panty would be "visible", but not "objectionable". Removing them would have left everything invisible.

BUT ... mother thought I was the biggest pervert on the planet for even suggesting it. Explaining that it would actually be more "discrete" was ignored.

PROBLEM ... I was using FLASH .... and what I didn't realize was that the flash was reflecting off the "white", and what was originally barely visible became the most prominent element of the photo. It would not be an exaggeration to state that it looked like bra/panty was the ONLY thing she was wearing.

Did I mention that mom had already called me a pervert; mom now created new terms for pervert that you could not fjnd in a 20# thesaurus.

pandionutv said:

The thread "Weddings gone BAD!" has met with enormous interest.

Perhaps the subject of "Models gone BAD!" would meet an equal level
of reminicenses?

The floor is yours....!

Click to expand...

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Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto

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Michael D Robinson said:

You will find model photography great if you want to spend a lot of
time on the phone talking to wanna-bes who can not afford model
photography !!!

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Hrm, never had that problem.

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Iam a married photographer.

had it rough some day when one particular model tried to "sexually harass"" me in the studio"

I told my wife about it, and these days she no longer trusts the whole genre, especiall the utmost care free(u know what i mean) who strut in dressed barely, sit any how and where, like they own the Studio or they are in their bedrooms. My country is kinda of very conservative on these issues.
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Yeah you always need to test using flash with fabrics. Your story reminds me of when John Kerry was running for President, his daughter is a film director. She's at an opening at a festival, it's night time. She's arriving in a shortish black dress w/a big smile on her face. The only problem being that she didn't ask anyone she works with to pull out a camera and do a few test shots of her in the black dress. You see, she was only wearing a small pair of panties w/o a bra.

I showed that to a woman who's French and her jaw just hit the floor. It was as they say " a real moment " .

Don

JoePhoto said:

She wore a "semi" sheer dress, where you could just BARELY see her
(white) bra/panty. I stress "barely" because it was NOT sheer enough
to be objectionable, and I was not overly concerned.

HOWEVER, I was concerned enough to "suggest" to her MOTHER that the
girl remove her bra/panty, (the dress was not sheer enough that
anything would show).

In other words, I did suspect the bra/panty would be "visible", but
not "objectionable". Removing them would have left everything
invisible.

BUT ... mother thought I was the biggest pervert on the planet for
even suggesting it. Explaining that it would actually be more
"discrete" was ignored.

PROBLEM ... I was using FLASH .... and what I didn't realize was that
the flash was reflecting off the "white", and what was originally
barely visible became the most prominent element of the photo. It
would not be an exaggeration to state that it looked like bra/panty
was the ONLY thing she was wearing.

Did I mention that mom had already called me a pervert; mom now
created new terms for pervert that you could not fjnd in a 20#
thesaurus.

pandionutv said:

The thread "Weddings gone BAD!" has met with enormous interest.

Perhaps the subject of "Models gone BAD!" would meet an equal level
of reminicenses?

The floor is yours....!

Click to expand...

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Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto

( Do You Ever STOP to THINK --- and FORGET to START Again ??? )

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I had a similar problem with a girl (not a model but she was in several shots I needed to take at a horse show).

She was probably 17 or 18, and derssed in what passes for the "top fashion" in doing "ground work" with a horse.

Its called "Showmanship At Halter" and basicly you stand there and hold the horses lead while the judge examines the horse.

My job was to photograph this girl (and the horses head/neck) to show the proper way to stand from the front and back.

She was wearing a brightly "spangled" Western jacket, a cowboy hat, Western boots and Light Tan Slacks.

The problem arose when I photographed her from behind.. the flash made it obvious that she had gone "commando" about the underpants to avoid "panty lines". Some girls wear a "thong" to avoid the lins, this girl did not.

She had a Tattoo on her left "butt cheek" of a monkeys face, and the flash revealed it.

I called the girl over to me to show her the problem, and I quickly put a frame up on the computer screen that showed the "monkey face" clearly.

She immediately Ran off to make a "clothing adjustment".

The girls mother came over and wanted to know what the "fuss" was about, and apparently thought I was a pervert because I had her daughters "Buttocks" displayed on a 20 inch screen.

When I pointed out the "monkey face" the mother had what we used to call a "Coniption Fit"...

For the rest of a three-day weekend that woman harrased her daughter for having a monkey face on her butt.. She kept calling her "Hey monkey butt" "do you want some lunch" ect.

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Ntulume Ugandan Photography said:

Iam a married photographer.
had it rough some day when one particular model tried to "sexually
harass"" me in the studio"

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I would never allow "sexual harassment" to continue more than a few hours.

I would make it very clear that they would eventually have to stop it; (or at least slow-down so I could "rest" for a little while).

Ntulume Ugandan Photography said:

I told my wife about it,

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You Did W-H-A-T ??? .... You TOLD her ???

Ntulume Ugandan Photography said:

and these days she no longer trusts the
whole genre, especiall the utmost care free(u know what i mean) who
strut in dressed barely, sit any how and where, like they own the
Studio or they are in their bedrooms. My country is kinda of very
conservative on these issues.
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Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto

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parisphotog said:

Yeah you always need to test using flash with fabrics. Your story
reminds me of when John Kerry was running for President, his daughter
is a film director. She's at an opening at a festival, it's night
time. She's arriving in a shortish black dress w/a big smile on her
face. The only problem being that she didn't ask anyone she works
with to pull out a camera and do a few test shots of her in the black
dress. You see, she was only wearing a small pair of panties w/o a
bra.

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But that was still the "best" publicity John Kerry got during the entire campaign.

(it almost changed my vote)

parisphotog said:

I showed that to a woman who's French and her jaw just hit the floor.
It was as they say " a real moment " .

Don

JoePhoto said:

She wore a "semi" sheer dress, where you could just BARELY see her
(white) bra/panty. I stress "barely" because it was NOT sheer enough
to be objectionable, and I was not overly concerned.

HOWEVER, I was concerned enough to "suggest" to her MOTHER that the
girl remove her bra/panty, (the dress was not sheer enough that
anything would show).

In other words, I did suspect the bra/panty would be "visible", but
not "objectionable". Removing them would have left everything
invisible.

BUT ... mother thought I was the biggest pervert on the planet for
even suggesting it. Explaining that it would actually be more
"discrete" was ignored.

PROBLEM ... I was using FLASH .... and what I didn't realize was that
the flash was reflecting off the "white", and what was originally
barely visible became the most prominent element of the photo. It
would not be an exaggeration to state that it looked like bra/panty
was the ONLY thing she was wearing.

Did I mention that mom had already called me a pervert; mom now
created new terms for pervert that you could not fjnd in a 20#
thesaurus.

pandionutv said:

The thread "Weddings gone BAD!" has met with enormous interest.

Perhaps the subject of "Models gone BAD!" would meet an equal level
of reminicenses?

The floor is yours....!

Click to expand...

--
Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto

( Do You Ever STOP to THINK --- and FORGET to START Again ??? )

Click to expand...

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Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto

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AJohn said:

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If you think it was easy for me to maintain a straight face (and my composure) during the day of the incident, you gotta think again!

I was laughing (onand off) all weekend.

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Larry

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Sorry, I should have said "aspiring" models and if you have never had this problem then you have not delt with them !

I should have said "aspiring" models !