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kurth said:
The d300 nikon has 150,000 - the d3 has 300,000- there'no way a rebel
has the possibility of that many actuations . I believe he translated
a magnitude off - 30 grand seems right . The 40d probably will do 100
grand though .
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I am probably near 175,000 on my XT. I know I am over 150,000 shots but stop counting long ago.

It's now my backup camera. My first rebel went near 120,000 if I remember well.
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I had problems with the 10D and Digital Rebel after a small number of clicks. Digital Rebels seemed to last me only around 20K clicks or so before pooping out. The 10D did a little better but still failed on me faster than I thought it should. The 20D seemed to be a pretty good improvement over the 10D and generally seemed to last around 100K clicks, 30D doesn’t seem any different. I was unable to wear out my XT even after trying to. My XT had easily 300K clicks on it when I got rid of it. The XTi was a similar case to the XT. The shutter never wore out even after trying to make huge numbers of clicks (I had 10K clicks on that camera after the first weekend).

The clear trend for me so far has been that after the original Digital Rebel (which had a weak spring that would break fairly quickly) the Rebel series of cameras actually last longer than the XXD series of cameras. My guess is that the Rebel cameras probably use similar building materials in their mirror box but are subjected to less stressful conditions than they would be in the XXD cameras with higher frame rates so the result is that rebel series cameras last longer.

It seems obvious to me why Canon wouldn’t want to advertise that the less expensive rebel cameras actually last longer than the XXD cameras. Canon marketing wants to distinguish the different marketing segments in order to get customers to pay premium prices for the higher end models. Canon advertising the rebel cameras as being more reliable than the semi-pro model would work against that strategy.

Greg

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halopes said:
Has anyone actually experienced shutter problems due to heavy use of
the camera? Just curious...
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Aside from submirror failure on the original Digital Rebel (300D), not many. I've read of a couple (that's a very small number). I've read of far more failures due to the camera being dropped or otherwise falling. Maybe 10 or 20 times as many "fatal" drops as shutter failures.

There's no point in worrying about shutter life—there's nothing that you can do about it anyway. If you want your camera to have a long life, what you should be worrying about is not dropping your camera and not leaving it where it can be knocked over/off.

Second biggest reason I've seen for failure requiring Canon service: bent CF connector pins. Maybe 2 or 3 times as many reported incidents as shutter failure. It's no surprise to me that Canon went to SD/SDHC with the XSi/450D—they can't do much to prevent people from dropping their cameras, but they were able to eliminate bent CF pins.
 
I have a 400D for 2 months now and I’ve passed the 5000 clicks. I would be pretty annoyed if I had to get a new camera at the 50000 clicks – as some state.

I understand the shutter is a mechanical device and everything, but in an age where camera advertising focuses in messages like “just shoot, it’s digital” I think 50k makes no sense.

Hugo

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Dunno. My 300D had a shutter failure at 4000 pics still under warranty so Canon replaced the shutter and it went to over 120,000 pics before it needed another shutter replacement.

I think Canon and other manufacturer have understood quite quickly that most people will click their camera much more than if it was with film.

They have understand that if they don't want to replace many shutter half way in the warranty period, they best make them sturdy enough.

Judgin by the increasing amount of chutter click in the specs of the new cameras, they are making the shutter more and more sturdy and long lasting.
halopes said:
Has anyone actually experienced shutter problems due to heavy use of
the camera? Just curious...

Hugo

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PeaceFrog wrote:
I was unable to wear
PeaceFrog said:
out my XT even after trying to. My XT had easily 300K clicks on it
when I got rid of it.
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wow, that's amazing! and I thought I had a lot on mine.

The XTi was a similar case to the XT. The
PeaceFrog said:
shutter never wore out even after trying to make huge numbers of
clicks (I had 10K clicks on that camera after the first weekend).
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and that's easier to do than most people think. The faster the fps is going, the easier it is to click. I often take 2 shots when I only want to take 1 because of the burst speed and shutter sensitivity.
PeaceFrog said:
The clear trend for me so far has been that after the original
Digital Rebel (which had a weak spring that would break fairly
quickly) the Rebel series of cameras actually last longer than the
XXD series of cameras.
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interesting theory. I wonder if it is intentional from Canon.

My guess is that the Rebel cameras probably
PeaceFrog said:
use similar building materials in their mirror box but are subjected
to less stressful conditions than they would be in the XXD cameras
with higher frame rates so the result is that rebel series cameras
last longer.
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true, 6.5fps instead of 3 should make a difference.
PeaceFrog said:
It seems obvious to me why Canon wouldn’t want to advertise that the
less expensive rebel cameras actually last longer than the XXD
cameras. Canon marketing wants to distinguish the different
marketing segments in order to get customers to pay premium prices
for the higher end models. Canon advertising the rebel cameras as
being more reliable than the semi-pro model would work against that
strategy.

Greg

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'Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience'
 
For me shutter life expectancy is currently a very important topic. I have to decide if I buy a 40D now while I can still get 150€ cashback. Or if I try to hold out with my 350D for the 50D next spring which I would probably like much better as my replacement camera.

Its very likely that the 350D has a 50,000 average shutter live. But with a very big standard deviation. Probably 50 to 80% of the average. If we assume a Gauss normal distribution with 50k mean an 80% of that as standard deviation very few 350D cameras should survive beyond 130k shutter actuations. But a camera like mine which already survived the first 50k should have a very reasonable chance to survive the next 25k too. I take about 20,000 photos a year.

I got my standard deviation numbers from analyzing the not that bogus looking numbers form the following poll database: http://www.olegkikin.com/shutterlife/
 
xsi has mirror flip by spring
40d by motor
that's makes the difference in sound as well.

mirror sensitie mechanically due to the second mirror flip for the focus chip.

what i would like to know.:::
if there is a failure
what part will fail the first
the shutter or the mirror.

what we never will know is an evaluation of the repairs coming in to the service center
in compare to how many camera's are in use.
over what period etc. etc.

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what i should have liked very much on the xsi
is a setting to lock the mirror while shooting.
with use of the metering and focussing system of the G7-9

but........ the g7-9 has a central shutter.
(much less vulnarable.)

so making the addition of a point and shoot system on the xsi
would still have to deal with the more complicated shutter.

peetneet

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Not when you are in Laos, and had been reading some guy or gal on DPR telling you not to worry, you' got another 100K easy on your Dig rebel....

Or you are traveling out of the country in 2 days. Not evryone has a back up camera.

Numbers vary grandly from one post to the other.
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34,000 on my rebel xt and still counting and I have it for a bit less than 2 years. I travel a lot and took it everywhere, from extreme humid to extreme dry condition. Pretty reliable. I would think the xti will have better component and last longer.

here is what I always say tol myself when it comes to shutter life.

"every time you press the shutter, you are one little step closer to a new camera"

happy shooting
 
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