Your thoughts about Vista??

Your nuts, I can run Linux on my old 386sx33 and it screams (no gui of course) you couldn't even think of doing that with Vista. Keep your hardware and stick with what works.
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Microsoft is the devil, and Apple is getting too big to respond to it's customers. Open source or die.
Doug :)
 
Your nuts, I can run Linux on my old 386sx33 and it screams (no gui
of course) you couldn't even think of doing that with Vista. Keep
your hardware and stick with what works.
--
Microsoft is the devil, and Apple is getting too big to respond to
it's customers. Open source or die.
Doug :)
--Even if your not really happy with what works?
Tanglefoot47
Tulalip Wa.
 
The use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.

Just trying to beat the anti progress/big business haters to respond to the fact that you are actually going to buy and use Vista. Guess the humor sailed right over your head, sorry.
 
The use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing,
denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.

Just trying to beat the anti progress/big business haters to respond
to the fact that you are actually going to buy and use Vista. Guess
the humor sailed right over your head, sorry.
--Have no idea what the heck you are talking about on your other post with the Linex I am totally computer ignorant LOL

Tanglefoot47
Tulalip Wa.
 
--XP pro is easy to run secure, and XPx64 is more secure then any 32 bit Vista machine. If you know what your doing security is no issue at all with XP.

In reality Vista is no more secure than XP, and maybe less.
In any case XP is supported for years to come.
===================================

So you wrote your own XP kernel to make it run secure? FYI, Vista SP1 has the same kernel as Windows 2008, and thus has all the security enhancements.

GaryM
 
"I am guess you are very young and have no frame of context for the history of OS updates at all. My first Os was Apple Dos, then Amiga Workbench 1.0, 1.2 2.0, the Windows 3.1 etc. "

You spend too much time "guessing" and "assuming" and you would be very, very wrong. I was writing code for mainframe systems when you were "probably" still in diapers - LOL

Lin
 
I don't know the numbers of happy/not. But I do know for sure that Vista is much slower than XP on a given machine. That's a big negative AFAIC, unless Vista has other compelling features.

Car X vs. Car Y: same features, price, mileage, Car Y is a slug. Which would you buy?
 
SP1 is not and in some cases like on my computers is faster.
--
Eugene

The only time a smaller sensor with the same pixel count is superior to a larger sensor (aka higher pixel density) is when you are focal-length limited.

Lee Jay

 
I don't know the numbers of happy/not. But I do know for sure that
Vista is much slower than XP on a given machine. That's a big
negative AFAIC, unless Vista has other compelling features.

Car X vs. Car Y: same features, price, mileage, Car Y is a slug.
Which would you buy?
--Vista is a dog compared to XP Pro and XPx64.
It's just a waste of time, and money when you can still load XP.

MS still knows how to really screw up big time, too bad they can't do the opposite.
What jokers.

-Fortune favors the bold-
 
I don't know the numbers of happy/not. But I do know for sure that
Vista is much slower than XP on a given machine. That's a big
negative AFAIC, unless Vista has other compelling features.

Car X vs. Car Y: same features, price, mileage, Car Y is a slug.
Which would you buy?
--Vista is a dog compared to XP Pro and XPx64.
It's just a waste of time, and money when you can still load XP.
MS still knows how to really screw up big time, too bad they can't do
the opposite.
What jokers.

-Fortune favors the bold-
Which OS upgrade got faster on older machines? Stupid issue.. Vista ads features that use the the horse power new machines.. if speed is your issue.. load Windows 97... I bet it screamss....

Silly Silly emotionally driven people ... no logic...

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Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
He only used it for one week, older version (RTM) and he already formed opinion a year ago. He never tried SP1 and does not even want to give it a chance and yet he screams about it for over a year now. I call it stupid narrowmindedness if there is such a word.
--
Eugene

The only time a smaller sensor with the same pixel count is superior to a larger sensor (aka higher pixel density) is when you are focal-length limited.

Lee Jay

 
Your nuts, I can run Linux on my old 386sx33 and it screams
Debian screams on old hardware - if all it's doing is routing E-mail, being a firewall, or text based word processor. Try running a modern application or watching a movie on that old hardware.

Vista is bloated and yet another corporate welfare project for Intel shareholders who need increasingly bloated and less efficient operating systems to keep their cash flow going via hardware upgrades. However, as fat as it is it, Vista runs Photoshop and a whole lot of other popular applications native while no version of Linux can.
 
I don't know the numbers of happy/not. But I do know for sure that
Vista is much slower than XP on a given machine. That's a big
negative AFAIC, unless Vista has other compelling features.

Car X vs. Car Y: same features, price, mileage, Car Y is a slug.
Which would you buy?
--Vista is a dog compared to XP Pro and XPx64.
It's just a waste of time, and money when you can still load XP.
MS still knows how to really screw up big time, too bad they can't do
the opposite.
What jokers.

-Fortune favors the bold-
Which OS upgrade got faster on older machines? Stupid issue.. Vista
ads features that use the the horse power new machines.. if speed is
your issue.. load Windows 97... I bet it screamss....

Silly Silly emotionally driven people ... no logic...

------------
Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
--Silly you, Vista simply wastes resources. XP is just as secure, and beats Vista in almost every area except network file transfer. No big improvement, in fact no improvement at all. Vista is a sad waste of time.

-Fortune favors the bold-
 
I don't know the numbers of happy/not. But I do know for sure that
Vista is much slower than XP on a given machine. That's a big
negative AFAIC, unless Vista has other compelling features.

Car X vs. Car Y: same features, price, mileage, Car Y is a slug.
Which would you buy?
--Vista is a dog compared to XP Pro and XPx64.
It's just a waste of time, and money when you can still load XP.
MS still knows how to really screw up big time, too bad they can't do
the opposite.
What jokers.

-Fortune favors the bold-
Which OS upgrade got faster on older machines? Stupid issue.. Vista
ads features that use the the horse power new machines.. if speed is
your issue.. load Windows 97... I bet it screamss....

Silly Silly emotionally driven people ... no logic...

------------
Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
--Silly you, Vista simply wastes resources. XP is just as secure,
and beats Vista in almost every area except network file transfer.
No big improvement, in fact no improvement at all. Vista is a sad
waste of time.
That is just wrong.. XP can't be as secure.. because when you move the users from admin level to user level tons of software can't deal with it, can't even install so you have to run in in admin mode or have problems that make UAC alerts look like a song.

Vista keeps the user out of Admin mode unless needed and begins to move the program files from the program setting files. But still manages to so this with older software.. even as newer software start to confrom to this model.

------------
Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
I don't know the numbers of happy/not. But I do know for sure that
Vista is much slower than XP on a given machine. That's a big
negative AFAIC, unless Vista has other compelling features.

Car X vs. Car Y: same features, price, mileage, Car Y is a slug.
Which would you buy?
--Vista is a dog compared to XP Pro and XPx64.
It's just a waste of time, and money when you can still load XP.
MS still knows how to really screw up big time, too bad they can't do
the opposite.
What jokers.

-Fortune favors the bold-
Which OS upgrade got faster on older machines? Stupid issue.. Vista
ads features that use the the horse power new machines.. if speed is
your issue.. load Windows 97... I bet it screamss....

Silly Silly emotionally driven people ... no logic...

------------
Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
--Silly you, Vista simply wastes resources. XP is just as secure,
and beats Vista in almost every area except network file transfer.
No big improvement, in fact no improvement at all. Vista is a sad
waste of time.
That is just wrong.. XP can't be as secure.. because when you move
the users from admin level to user level tons of software can't deal
with it, can't even install so you have to run in in admin mode or
have problems that make UAC alerts look like a song.

Vista keeps the user out of Admin mode unless needed and begins to
move the program files from the program setting files. But still
manages to so this with older software.. even as newer software start
to confrom to this model.

------------
Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
--Yeah it can't be right. Vista has to be more secure... why?
What's the first thing you turn off in Vista?

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Microsoft-partner-Vista-less-secure-than-XP/0,130061733,339274261,00.htm

The best way to break a PC? Vista.

http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/IT-FUD-blog/2008/04/with-the-first-service-pack-1.html

The Champ and the chumps:
http://www.crn.com/software/207001890

Today:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/software/2008-04-29-microsoft-windows-vista_N.htm

Or... you can believe this joker! Go ahead, you can trust him:
http://mcpmag.com/columns/article.asp?EditorialsID=2574

-Vista sucks so bad it's a vacuum-
 
I don't know the numbers of happy/not. But I do know for sure that
Vista is much slower than XP on a given machine. That's a big
negative AFAIC, unless Vista has other compelling features.

Car X vs. Car Y: same features, price, mileage, Car Y is a slug.
Which would you buy?
--Vista is a dog compared to XP Pro and XPx64.
It's just a waste of time, and money when you can still load XP.
MS still knows how to really screw up big time, too bad they can't do
the opposite.
What jokers.

-Fortune favors the bold-
Which OS upgrade got faster on older machines? Stupid issue.. Vista
ads features that use the the horse power new machines.. if speed is
your issue.. load Windows 97... I bet it screamss....

Silly Silly emotionally driven people ... no logic...

------------
Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
--Silly you, Vista simply wastes resources. XP is just as secure,
and beats Vista in almost every area except network file transfer.
No big improvement, in fact no improvement at all. Vista is a sad
waste of time.
That is just wrong.. XP can't be as secure.. because when you move
the users from admin level to user level tons of software can't deal
with it, can't even install so you have to run in in admin mode or
have problems that make UAC alerts look like a song.

Vista keeps the user out of Admin mode unless needed and begins to
move the program files from the program setting files. But still
manages to so this with older software.. even as newer software start
to confrom to this model.

------------
Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
--Yeah it can't be right. Vista has to be more secure... why?
What's the first thing you turn off in Vista?

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Microsoft-partner-Vista-less-secure-than-XP/0,130061733,339274261,00.htm
14 old month predictions from a company that needs people to stay worried so they buy product.

http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id ;1368098507;fp;16;fpid;2

I love this article because it basically says "Vista is as secure as XP after a company spends thousands on in house applications and IT fixes to do what is built into Vists...but they try to spin that in favor of XP..
First comment says it all just FUD... I have never pushed anyone to upgrade a working XP system XP is a good enough in most cases.. just not to fear it and by a PC with an old OS.. Bussiness are smart not to do an upgrade until they need to refresh all thier PCs.. pretty standard operating procedure.
News alet!! New OS needs a bit more ram and CPU than previous.. when wasn't this true... Maybe we should all dig up a copy of Windows 386 and be amazed at the speed..... LAME

They could have saved themselvs money and just replaced XP with vista and reused this article..
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/tc/xml/01/10/29/011029tcwinxp.html
The key statement is "XP is good enough" which I agree with... people like you seem to need to try to spin this to Vista is bad.. which it isn't...

There is no need for hardware upgrades at the rate they were in the 1990s, so while some may need to add PCs as some die or new employees come on board. they are not in a need to upgrade.. all thier PCs .. I would consider it smart to keep what works until you upgrade your basic PCs... 25% adoption for all the media doom and gloom is good when you realize

How about this blast from the past..
http://www.news.com/2100-1016-5121458.html
Or... you can believe this joker! Go ahead, you can trust him:
http://mcpmag.com/columns/article.asp?EditorialsID=2574
Problem is he is right on Counts 1&2 and if there is a compelling reason to upgrade.. that is personal preference.. if your business has already spent tens of thousadsn creating security features that come in Vista.. there may be no reason.. but if you most of us on this board we don't staff IT and developers and a million$$ to pay them I am glad more security is built into vista..

As part of my work I have had to set up an XP client for a demo.. I forgot how crude the file explore is in XP... geezz click click click click ot move between to folders vs the intelligent path where I can jump quickly up or even sidways in the folder tree with 2 clicks...

The problem is.. for for the XP or die Zealots... XP suffered the exact same issues and slower than Microsoft wanted adoption rates because business moves slowly..

If slow business adoption and a new os being a bit slow on the same hardware is the sign of a Bad OS.. then why would you advise people to use XP since also started off with slow adoption and was slower then win 2000. Shame on you for hyping a bad upgrade like XP.. you sick Microsoft lover you :)
-Vista sucks so bad it's a vacuum-
--
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Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
 
James,

Sorry for not replying to you sooner. See my comments below.
Fair enough do whats best for you. But do you really think that
Windows 7 at release will be "better" than Vista (miles better than
XP was on release).
Yes, I do expect Windows 7 to be a significant improvement over Vista, if not in functionality, hopefully at least in the sense that it will be less buggy and have better driver support. Windows 7 is just going to be an evolutionary improvement over Vista, not a revolutionary one, as Vista was over XP. Also, I am sure that by then 64 bit application and driver support will be much better than it is today.
Will it support old hardware and apps "better"
than MS or the vendors of that hardware and software believe they
need to support it today. Then as has already been pointed out large
corporatations have to deal with momentum so they are talking
realistically about rolling out Windows 7, 2-3 years after its
release optomistiacally in 3 years? So hardware today that is 5-10
years old will be better supported when it is 10-15 years old......
And we are hoping that all software produced today for XP will
continue to be for 7-8 more years??
That will be irrelevant by then. At least by then, I will feel satisfied that we have had an opportunity to juice out the life of our current and legacy hardware. At the moment, our policy is to replace hardware, as it dies, with top of the line, Vista 64 capable hardware, but loaded with XP 32 bit. When Windows 7 comes out, we expect to move to it fairly soon (unless our application vendors wise up and offer Linux versions of their wares ;). And we will be moving to a 64 bit OS and applications. 64 bits is the way of the future due to the bloated applications and data sets that require gobs of RAM. Moving to a 64 bit OS today is too premature since some of our software is not supported in a 64 bits OS. Moving to Vista 32 bit today doesn't but us anything.
Currently I am working in an infrastructure world wich doens't really
invole Vista at all. But I deal with a lot of IT people none of whom
appear concerened about Vista. Corporatley we would never "upgrade"
in the middle of a lease agreement but when the testing is complete
will rolll Vista out with new leases as they arrive.
Personally, I think that would be a mistake. Unless there is a good justification, I prefer to keep our fleet as homogeneous as possible. There are a lot of advantages in that for both, support and the users. When the time comes we will all move together to Windows 7 and 64 bit computing.
 
Ha Ha Ha... (not laughing at your problem.. but your assumptions)

Translation:
I have a machine with new hardware and the maker has provided very
poor support and has no drivers for XP and no easy recovery system
for when I mess up the machine
But I love it...

XP can't use my new hardware and trying to put it on my machine
messed things up.. but I love it.

Vista was installed and tested before I mucked around with it.. I
hate Vista..

Any problems with this scenario? the only thing that has little to do
with your problem is what you are blaming.
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Ken - Happy A700 Owner
http://www.cascadephotoworks.com
Thanks for the translation Kenny, but I think you may have popped your cork a little too soon (not the first time I'm sure). Firstly, I never said Gateway's support wasn't garbage, but thats not the reason Vista sucks. Secondly, XP can work with my hardware just Like Vista can, but BOTH, yes BOTH OS's need modified slipstreamed versions to accomodate my HD. Lastly, Vista blew long before I "messed" with it. And not just on my laptop, but also on the two other Vista machines I use on a regular basis. They are slower, hog memory, use more power, have less efficient HD write patterns, and CRASH more frequently than their XP counterparts. Not to mention the fact that locations and titles of features and folders are changed from XP, seemingly without any good reason (at least to my mind).

peace fanboy

--

I can always tell if somebody likes a photograph I've taken, because they instantly compliment the camera.
 
I'll take that as a compliment...
--
Eugene

The only time a smaller sensor with the same pixel count is superior
to a larger sensor (aka higher pixel density) is when you are
focal-length limited.

Lee Jay

--

I can always tell if somebody likes a photograph I've taken, because they instantly compliment the camera.
 

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