Bringing people over to Pentax.

While not a hard core photographer, I like Pentax and I like to sell.
Here is how I sell Pentax to others:

First I sell Pentax by emphasing the in camera shake reduction. It
performs as well as in lens but works with all lenses. Thus it is
much more cost effective (you pay hundreds more in each high quality
lens with SR each time).
also note that in lens systems add elements which could lead to mis
alignment as documented in the Potozone tests. I also point to other
features and functions.
This differentiates Pentax from C/N.

Then I point to the Lenses. The Selection and value now is very good
compared to Sony or other non C/N systems...

The conclusion: Buy Pentax.
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Best regards
Nick
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That may work for the $800 buyers, but someone already invested in Nikon or Canon already has IS lenses. It was a good marketing approach for Pentax, like the weather sealing, since the P&S crowd were already used to IS.

In-Camera IS is kind of like going to buy Pirelli tires for a sports car, and ending up with the house brand instead. Most people won't know the difference; but the guy with the 'Vette won't put up with it.

The selection of lenses is coming along, and that may be because of the cost-sharing with Samsung, who actually seems to be the product leader of the pair right now insofar as getting things to market.

http://www.photographybay.com/2008/04/15/photokina-2008/

If ANY new lens is out of alignment, it should go back to the seller or maker, period. All zooms have elements/groups that can get out of alignment via mishandling.
 
Other brands PAY professionals to teach classes at places like Adorama and Calumet on topics like portrait photography or digital techniques, and they hawk the heck out of the brand. I went to a Calumet class with a live model held right in the store, where they were pitching their studio strobes - and it provides good information on the strobes and accessories.

THAT group of photog's willing to pay Calumet to speak to them is the demographic that Pentax needs to reach. Perhaps their new $10 million ad budget will do some of that.

You people are doing Pentax' job for them, and I wish Ned or someone would get on thread and show appreciation for that loyalty.
 
The more I get out and shoot with my K10D and direct people to the
photos i have taken they start asking more questions about Pentax. I
always so it's the photographer, not the camera, but I can't really
help but support the Pentax name. I've gotten about a dozen or so
Canon users with relatively small investments in canon glass to
switch to a Pentax system.

The cameras speak for themselves. If Pentax keeps delivering
affordable superb cameras and supporting them with quality glass at
reasonable prices they may be into something in the area of success.

Anyone else have Canon or nikon users look on their Pentax with envy?
Yes.. I shoot a lot of concerts and protest rallies. I've been responsible for influencing around a dozen people to buy Pentax.

Fortunately my camera shop recognizes the value of my endorsement and look after me when I make purchases..

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That may work for the $800 buyers, but someone already invested in
Nikon or Canon already has IS lenses. It was a good marketing
approach for Pentax, like the weather sealing, since the P&S crowd
were already used to IS.

In-Camera IS is kind of like going to buy Pirelli tires for a sports
car, and ending up with the house brand instead. Most people won't
know the difference; but the guy with the 'Vette won't put up with it.

The selection of lenses is coming along, and that may be because of
the cost-sharing with Samsung, who actually seems to be the product
leader of the pair right now insofar as getting things to market.
IS lenses are not the best solution anymore. In camrea is as good. The latest tests on this web site pretty much prove this. It is a legacy/incumbent mindset that perpetuates these C/N lenses.

I think a few C/N users will be moved with the 20D. The only issue I see with conversion is the low light autofocus which is not as good on the 20D as the C/N systems.

Nick
Best regards
Nick
 
IS lenses are not the best solution anymore. In camrea is as good.
The latest tests on this web site pretty much prove this. It is a
legacy/incumbent mindset that perpetuates these C/N lenses.

I think a few C/N users will be moved with the 20D. The only issue I
see with conversion is the low light autofocus which is not as good
on the 20D as the C/N systems.

Nick
Best regards
Nick
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For short focal lengths, it's irrelevant. For pros shooting sports with long lenses with large mass, IS in the lens makes all the difference. As usual, something like in-body IS will satisfy 80 percent of people, but the other 20 percent spend the real money on equipment.

Loading down a body with a mechanism (essentially a gyroscope) is second-best when the mass is far in front of the focal plane. Try lifting a large lens off the table by holding the very back end, and you'll get the idea.

The low-light AF is the very problem that Pentax has in going after a pro demographic, along with a low FPS rate.

Industry numbers for 2007:

http://www.roumazeilles.net/news/en/wordpress/2008/04/06/2007-131-million-photo-cameras/

According to IDC, the sales of photo cameras progressed by 24% in 2007 to 131 million cameras. The global market is in the hands of several companies:

Canon: 24.5 millions (18%)
Sony: 20.9 millions (16%)
Kodak: 12.6 millions (10%)
Samsung: 11.7 millions (9%)
Nikon: 11.4 mililons (8.4%)
Olympus: 11.3 mililons (8.3%)

For the SLR market (Single Lens Reflex), two companies are overwhelming:

Canon: 43%
Nikon: 40%

(and Sony pulling up behind in DSLR's, and Olympus still ahead of Pentax. When Pentax drops the P&S lines, they will slide behind to a greater extent in the total market for digitals).

http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/04/02/canon-lost-digital-slr-market-share-to-nikon-in-2007-market-as-a-whole-grew/

While Pentax has shot their bolt for the first half of 2008, Nikon is releasing new models in June:

http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/04/21/new-nikon-dslr-bodies-and-lenses-rumored-for-june/
 
Loading down a body with a mechanism (essentially a gyroscope) is
second-best when the mass is far in front of the focal plane. Try
lifting a large lens off the table by holding the very back end, and
you'll get the idea.
Motion and Mass are two separate concepts. The goal of Image Stabilization is not to counter the Inertia (ie mass) of the Lens but to counter the motion of the projected image. Yes, the moment of inertia of a large lens would require a large counterforce if one were to counter balance its motion as is done in a telescope. However, Image stabilization is countering the angular motion of the IMAGE projected by the lens during the period of exposure. Thus, moving a image plane with a motion counter to movement of the camera/lens system is all that is required and is not dependent upon the mass of the lens. This is true of both in lens and in camera stabilization systems.

A Larger lens will product a more magnified image and thus more rapid angular displacement. But remember the 1/FL rule also means that you are starting with a higher Shutter speed with a long Focal Length lens. Thus the more rapid angular displacement will occur over a shorter period of time and as long as the IS system is able to achieve the required slew rate, the image should be stabilized. The military has been using these concepts for years.

There was a thread on this topic in this forum that examined the effectiveness of in camera stabilization taking into account the shutter speeds at various Focal lengths.
According to IDC, the sales of photo cameras progressed by 24% in
2007 to 131 million cameras. The global market is in the hands of
several companies:

Canon: 24.5 millions (18%)
Sony: 20.9 millions (16%)
Kodak: 12.6 millions (10%)
Samsung: 11.7 millions (9%)
Nikon: 11.4 mililons (8.4%)
Olympus: 11.3 mililons (8.3%)

For the SLR market (Single Lens Reflex), two companies are overwhelming:

Canon: 43%
Nikon: 40%
Well then you should try to help sell pentax or you should sell your pentax gear.
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Nick
 
I have several friends from Canon's Users that look K10D with envy.

One of them, new user in photography, a month ago spent about $4000, Canon 40D with lenses, but he said he will sell all the gears and move to Pentax K20D when the body avail in here.

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Loading down a body with a mechanism (essentially a gyroscope) is
second-best when the mass is far in front of the focal plane. Try
lifting a large lens off the table by holding the very back end, and
you'll get the idea.
Motion and Mass are two separate concepts. The goal of Image
Stabilization is not to counter the Inertia (ie mass) of the Lens but
to counter the motion of the projected image. Yes, the moment of
inertia of a large lens would require a large counterforce if one
were to counter balance its motion as is done in a telescope.
However, Image stabilization is countering the angular motion of the
IMAGE projected by the lens during the period of exposure. Thus,
moving a image plane with a motion counter to movement of the
camera/lens system is all that is required and is not dependent upon
the mass of the lens. This is true of both in lens and in camera
stabilization systems.
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Good technical explanation, but IS in the body is one more thing to break and cause the entire camera to be repaired - and the repair cost of a modern out-of-warranty DSLR can exceed the cost of a lens.

The TV industry tried this with a combined TV and VCR, and when one went out, effectively both went out. The camera body designer would have to contend potentially with new sub-assemblies having to fit in a body with space occupied by the IS mechanism, as well as the screw-drive for AF. I suppose if you're going to build 2 bodies a year it's not as much of a penalty; but the majors build a lot more new bodies than that, and finding space for new mechanicals can be a headache in a market looking for "smaller" and "lighter".

With a long lens the image can actually move off the optical axis and a bit out of frame, which the in-camera IS would then need to "chase". With the complexity of lens design today including AF fully in-lens with ring-USM, rather than constant direction by the body via screw-drive, it's a simpler solution for those makers to let the lens also handle the IS by one moving element, since lenses are now computer-designed in terms of optical performance.

What Pentax got out of this was a CHEAP solution. This was not engineered as some "superior methodology", but for cost savings by passing that same system from body to body, and also to keep the lenses CHEAP, and to have a talking point for marketing. If it's all one requires of a camera, then so be it. A working pro will go for the solution that's been successful for years; and they're already well-invested in IS lenses.

In time, a simple new technology can satisfy 80 percent of the requirements. It's that other 20 percent that you don't have access to that's the problem.

It's why that sports car owner pays more for tires - ultimate performance.
 
Good technical explanation, but IS in the body is one more thing to
break and cause the entire camera to be repaired - and the repair
cost of a modern out-of-warranty DSLR can exceed the cost of a lens.

The TV industry tried this with a combined TV and VCR, and when one
went out, effectively both went out.
Are you serious with that analogy?? Maybe camera designers should move the shutter assembly to the lens as well, because it's "one more thing to break." You are coming across like an apologist.
The camera body designer would
have to contend potentially with new sub-assemblies having to fit in
a body with space occupied by the IS mechanism, as well as the
screw-drive for AF. I suppose if you're going to build 2 bodies a
year it's not as much of a penalty; but the majors build a lot more
new bodies than that, and finding space for new mechanicals can be a
headache in a market looking for "smaller" and "lighter".
Or they can, like Nikon, eliminate the screw drive from some of their models, making them incompatible with previously recently released lenses.
With a long lens the image can actually move off the optical axis and
a bit out of frame, which the in-camera IS would then need to
"chase". With the complexity of lens design today including AF fully
in-lens with ring-USM, rather than constant direction by the body via
screw-drive, it's a simpler solution for those makers to let the lens
also handle the IS by one moving element, since lenses are now
computer-designed in terms of optical performance.
Optical IS can't correct for rotational motion, which SR can.

I guess it that's why IS lenses cost so little, because it's "simpler." That must be why SR bodies are so expensive. Because it's more complicated. Thanks for explaining that! ;)
A working pro will go for
the solution that's been successful for years; and they're already
well-invested in IS lenses.
Isn't that the crux of the matter? The investment in IS by many pros is considerable. It doesn't make any difference if another technology is as effective if they have thousands of dollars in IS lenses. And if certain camera companies have considerable manufacturing investments, and license or hold IS patents, they not going to suddenly abandon that investment and infrastructure for another technology no matter how promising that technology is. Especially if said camera companies have military or other products and contracts that are based on IS technology.

IS technology is great if you need an stabilized "live view" through the lens, such as for long range viewing, television, motion pictures, or targeting. And the big camera companies make systems for those uses, which is what really drives that technology. But SR is generally more efficient for still photography since it stabilizes the image only at the moment of exposure and works with every lens in the bag.
In time, a simple new technology can satisfy 80 percent of the
requirements. It's that other 20 percent that you don't have access
to that's the problem.

It's why that sports car owner pays more for tires - ultimate
performance.
Then again sometimes sports car owners are just trying to make up for a deficit in certain other areas :)
 
One other consideration for in-body SR vs in-lens IS is the following: with in-body SR, if you upgrade the body to one with a better SR system, you automatically upgrade the stabilization on all your lenses. The down-side, as mentioned, is that if the in-body SR goes down then you lose SR for all lenses.
 
Good technical explanation, but IS in the body is one more thing to
break and cause the entire camera to be repaired - and the repair
cost of a modern out-of-warranty DSLR can exceed the cost of a lens.

The TV industry tried this with a combined TV and VCR, and when one
went out, effectively both went out.
Are you serious with that analogy?? Maybe camera designers should
move the shutter assembly to the lens as well, because it's "one more
thing to break." You are coming across like an apologist.
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Wow! Where have you been?

That's EXACTLY the way that most MF cameras were built - with the leaf shutter in the lens!

Why? Amongst other things, the flash sync speed was not limited to a focal plane shutter's travel; but rather to the rapid open and close of the in-lens leaf shutter. That removed the need for a large mechanism in the camera itself, and gave the total system more performance. It also reduced total vibration, which in the 35mm format world brought about the need for mirror lockup options. I have the Kiev-60 and Arax 645 with large focal plane shutters, and a sync speed of 1/30th, along with huge weight.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/understanding-series/u-medium.shtml

"35mm cameras today all have focal plane shutters. These move either horizontally or vertically and are located (where else?) just in front of the film focal plane. Medium format cameras have either focal plane shutters, or leaf shutters. Leaf shutters are located inside each lens and open and close like an iris. Focal plane shutters open either horizontally or vertically across the width or length of the film. There are pros and cons to each solution.

Using leaf shutters mean that each lens has to have its own shutter. This adds to overall system cost. The advantage of a leaf shutter is that it will sync with flash at all shutter speeds. Another advantage is that they are small and therefore free of vibration. This is particularly important when using very long lenses. They are also very quiet in operation.

Focal plane shutters in such large cameras are.... drum roll please... large. This means that flash sync speed is slow (only 1/30th second with the Pentax 67) and they can also cause blur-producing vibration at slow shutter speeds when a lightweight tripod is used along with a long lens. They tend to be noisy as well."
 
One other consideration for in-body SR vs in-lens IS is the
following: with in-body SR, if you upgrade the body to one with a
better SR system, you automatically upgrade the stabilization on all
your lenses. The down-side, as mentioned, is that if the in-body SR
goes down then you lose SR for all lenses.
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At this point that's highly theoretical re the Pentax lines. They carry forward existing componentry all the time, and the K20D is very much the K10D, by their own admission, while the K200D represents an upgrade of the K100D.

Each ends up with a step-up in sensor from their respective ancestor, on that basis (and the naming convention), with the K200D getting the K10D sensor, and to their credit, improving the JPEG rendition in the process.

Canon and Nikon have not had to improve (or risk loss of performance) on new bodies, because IS in the body is NOT a consideration for them. They can create each lens as a total unit, with IS and AF included, with motors designed for each class of lens - short, medium, long. That leaves room within the body for more features.

Since Samsung is openly pushing towards an FF system, while Pentax instead got hung up with the 645D, likely we'll see an entirely new body when FF comes about - and in order to compete in THAT market, the in-body IS will become a liability vs. the competition. Right now, it's probably of some marketing advantage since the lens is reduced in cost; but the manufacturing and component cost of the body's added complexity may offset that due to their comparatively low production volumes vs. the competition; generating a higher overhead cost per unit produced. While the mass-production lens factories are in Vietnam, I understand that some of the "better" lenses are still made in Japan.

As to your perceptive:

"The down-side, as mentioned, is that if the in-body SR goes down then you lose SR for all lenses."

A pro would rather substitute a lens than lose a body, what with the overlapping ranges of zooms available as to perspective. Pentax, to their credit, seems to have kept the moving parts of the system simple; but it sets up an operational dependency for the IS, against each individual lens. This is where a long tele becomes the exception, as vibration can send its image further off-axis.

In terms of front/back focus, Pentax has an entire system within the K20D attending to that problem BY LENS.

http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/2006/12/more-on-in-camera-vs-in-lens-image.html

(from back in 2006)

"Some of Canon’s competitors have chosen to use in-body image stabilization. The technique involves moving the image sensor in a controlled fashion, based on signals from movement detecting sensors in the camera body. The obvious advantage of this system is that users have some sort of stabilization available with almost any lens they connect to the body. Short focal length lenses require smaller sensor deflections; 24 or 28 mm lenses might need only 1 mm or so. Longer lenses necessitate much greater movement; 300 mm lenses would have to move the sensor about 5.5 mm (nearly 1/4”) to achieve the correction Canon gets with its IS system at the same focal length. This degree of sensor movement is beyond the range of current technology. Short and 'normal' focal length lenses need stabilization much less often than long lenses, so the lenses that need the most help get the least."

(I have no idea of what the deflection range is of the current Pentax IS system. I do know that the image circle of the made-for-digital lenses is quite tight to the APS-C sensor; whereas for 35mm film you could have some "slop" without a problem - for example using the Pentacon-6 Zeiss MF lenses on a Spotmatic)
 
The camera body designer would
have to contend potentially with new sub-assemblies having to fit in
a body with space occupied by the IS mechanism, as well as the
screw-drive for AF. I suppose if you're going to build 2 bodies a
year it's not as much of a penalty; but the majors build a lot more
new bodies than that, and finding space for new mechanicals can be a
headache in a market looking for "smaller" and "lighter".
Or they can, like Nikon, eliminate the screw drive from some of their
models, making them incompatible with previously recently released
lenses.
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That's a fair approach to buyers - tell them right off the bat which lenses WILL or WON'T work when they buy a body. Canon does that right on their site.

Pentax went the other direction - the new ring-USM lenses on the way to production WILL NOT operate with the older bodies ALREADY IN PEOPLE'S HANDS.

Were Pentax to bite that bullet and put out a body for RING-USM only, the old-gen screw-drive SDM lenses that they're charging $700 and up per-lens for would not operate. Pentax would end up with split generations of bodies, AND of lenses.
 
A working pro will go for
the solution that's been successful for years; and they're already
well-invested in IS lenses.
Isn't that the crux of the matter? The investment in IS by many pros
is considerable. It doesn't make any difference if another
technology is as effective if they have thousands of dollars in IS
lenses. And if certain camera companies have considerable
manufacturing investments, and license or hold IS patents, they not
going to suddenly abandon that investment and infrastructure for
another technology no matter how promising that technology is.
Especially if said camera companies have military or other products
and contracts that are based on IS technology.
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Why SHOULD makers and/or users give up that investment? Pentax would love to attract high-end and pro users, because that's who spends the big bucks. Those users have already invested in IS lenses in unique mounts. So how would you attract them to PK, where their thousands of $$$ of lenses won't fit?

This is their fundamental marketing issue - finding that demographic willing to surrender to "LBA" and to buy those long high-markup motorized lenses. Those would be people happy to pay for in-lens IS; because that's what the competition offers. No need to argue about a difference, or whether or not it's as effective as what the major have.

The prosumer crowd moving up from P&S and megazooms has IS already. Cost matters, and they basically at best now have one extended zoom like the Panasonic FZ-18 Leica-branded, plus external attachments for very wide and very long tele. It's all light-weight due to smaller sensor size, and the IS is part of the total single-lens package. Here, the lower per-lens cost in a starter-DSLR due to IS-in-body carries some credit as a total price advantage. The limitation to the smaller sensor is reduced photocell size and higher noise at higher ISO - but the pictures I've seen in their forums are really good quality when shot at ISO comparable to outdoor color films.
 
Anyone else have Canon or nikon users look on their Pentax with envy?
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No. Sometimes people ask what camera I am using when I am out in the field. And when I say Pentax, they often say nothing. Most photographers are simply unfamiliar with the name Pentax. Their "look" is not one of envy, but lack of knowledge.

Others do not ask the brand but only the megapixel count. My 6mp Pentax did not impress them on that count either. LOL
 
Why SHOULD makers and/or users give up that investment? Pentax would
love to attract high-end and pro users, because that's who spends the
big bucks.
I suspect not. I think Canon and NIkon court pro's to seed their mass market of entry level and mid-market gear. Pro's might spend a lot from an individual perspective but I doubt their high spending x low volume exceeds mediocre spending times high volume. I think Nikon made it's money on the D40's. Now, let's add on the support network pro's require. I doubt pro's are paying for their entire ride. Does the US government budget (or anyone else's) run on the few rich ro the many middle income types?

If I understand correctly your argument is the two major camera equipment brands are better because pro's use them. Granted there is a difference in cost/performance envelope between the big two and the others. I'm not a pro and I suspect the vast majority of camera's buyers are not pro's nor will they ever be. Therefore the pro argument is misleading for the majority of consumers.

Personally I don't need to pay the added tax used to subsidize pro's which are used to lure more beginners. It's a funny merry-go-round and I'm not riding.
 
Pro's might spend a
lot from an individual perspective but I doubt their high spending x
low volume exceeds mediocre spending times high volume. I think
Nikon made it's money on the D40's. Now, let's add on the support
network pro's require. I doubt pro's are paying for their entire
ride. Does the US government budget (or anyone else's) run on the
few rich ro the many middle income types?

If I understand correctly your argument is the two major camera
equipment brands are better because pro's use them. Granted there is
a difference in cost/performance envelope between the big two and the
others. I'm not a pro and I suspect the vast majority of camera's
buyers are not pro's nor will they ever be. Therefore the pro
argument is misleading for the majority of consumers.

Personally I don't need to pay the added tax used to subsidize pro's
which are used to lure more beginners. It's a funny merry-go-round
and I'm not riding.
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Those brands promoting their pro-level gear make engineering advances that then get installed in their cheaper cameras. In effect, the pro's are paying for part of the R&D budget. Canon does their own engineering, and therefore patent-wise would be able to use that technology in other devices that they produce.

The other question is profit MARGIN; not gross sales. Profit margin is essentially the difference between total revenue and total cost, divided by the unit sold. This is why smaller producers want to run a smaller organization; as sales, marketing and administration need to be written off as overhead against what's produced. There seem to be a lot of old Pentax models at retailers; not a great sign, as it reduces shelf space for newer models. Ergo, Canon and Nikon can afford a bigger ad budget. This is what Bunnell is focused on now, along with marketing channels.

Canon and Nikon combined sell FAR (several exclamation points) more DSLR's than Pentax does; and it's a mix of high-end, medium (like the D300) and low-end, while Pentax right now has TWO choices. Locking people into the mount is the point; which is why frankly I think some people are just being polite when they have spent for a bunch of lenses in another mount, and voice a notion about going PK. Any visitor ever tell you how nice your living room was? Does that mean they're going to run out and buy the same furniture?

The D40 was 6.1 MP, and nearly any of the new models from anyone would top that.

The majority of consumers are indeed getting all they need from a new-model $800-$1000 DSLR; and here there's even more competition for Penrax amongst first-timers.

http://www.popphoto.com/cameras/5245/top-selling-digital-slrs-for-february.html

http://www.pdnpulse.com/2008/04/nikon-narrows-g.html

That battle going on between Canon and Nikon is strengthening both of them in terms of product, and in terms of lowering price. That's why large market share matters. Nikon has felt Sony breathing down their neck, and has really stepped up the attack against Canon to make a clear distinction in their "share".

http://www.photoreporter.com/article.asp?issueID=&num=14&vol=15&articleType=fc&articleID=1650

"A few months ago, the very need for image stabilized lenses seemed threatened by Sony and Pentax DSLRs with image stabilization built into their camera bodies. Why bother with individual lenses with stabilizers when you can use bodies with built-in stabilization that will provide the same thing with any lens attached to them?

But is it the same thing? Pro Nikon and Canon stabilizer devotees claim that body stabilizers provide only one or two additional stops of steadiness instead of the three or so that lens stabilization provides. Additionally, they point out that with body stabilization, you cannot see the result through the viewfinder. Certainly some objective test lab comparisons should be run."
 
Personally I don't need to pay the added tax used to subsidize pro's
which are used to lure more beginners. It's a funny merry-go-round
and I'm not riding.
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Other way around. The pro-level cameras (say $4,000 and up) pay their own freight (plus the lens sales); and individual features make their way down-line to $1,000 cameras. The manufacturer's problem is in deciding what NOT to include in cheaper cameras, so as to maintain a discrete distance between their own market demographics.

The bigger pro-level differentiator is full-frame, and that's why Samsung is talking it up right now.

The cost of those "better" systems such as multi-point AF is less of a factor than actually providing that kind of power in a cheaper camera, undercutting sales of their own more expensive models.

Why a PentaMirror in the K200D? It's cheaper, and while the K10D had a microprism, the true new version of that model is the K20D, which maintains the PentaPrism.

If you need really fast AF, you have to pay Pentax at least $700 for SDM; and even then you're not getting the latest technology. Once the newer ring-USM lenses are out, and they won't operate on the older DSLR's - isn't that a penalty (tax)? Canon said it up front - if you want certain lenses, you need certain bodies.
 
Personally I don't need to pay the added tax used to subsidize pro's
which are used to lure more beginners. It's a funny merry-go-round
and I'm not riding.
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Other way around. The pro-level cameras (say $4,000 and up) pay
their own freight (plus the lens sales); and individual features make
their way down-line to $1,000 cameras. The manufacturer's problem is
in deciding what NOT to include in cheaper cameras, so as to maintain
a discrete distance between their own market demographics.
I call this artificially crippling the lower end for the sake of market differentiation. The other strategy would be greater value for a large subset of the market. Whether most consumers realize it or not is a different topic.
The bigger pro-level differentiator is full-frame, and that's why
Samsung is talking it up right now.
Maybe. Again, why does the average Joe that generates most of the revenue for these manufacturer's care about "35mm full frame"? Are they going to get a better 4x6 or 8x10 print?
The cost of those "better" systems such as multi-point AF is less of
a factor than actually providing that kind of power in a cheaper
camera, undercutting sales of their own more expensive models.
Market differentiation again. More buck for less bang for most consumers.
Why a PentaMirror in the K200D? It's cheaper, and while the K10D had
a microprism, the true new version of that model is the K20D, which
maintains the PentaPrism.
Someone decided that was necessary to hit the price point. No argument from me, a pentaprism is a better find than a pentamirror type. I don't believe the Canon and Nikon entry level's offer a pentaprism finder ether. Aren't they the "pro choices"? Why did the they not use pentaprism's on their entry level bodies? I say shame on everybody. Every user should have a good optical viewfinder.
If you need really fast AF, you have to pay Pentax at least $700 for
SDM; and even then you're not getting the latest technology. Once
the newer ring-USM lenses are out, and they won't operate on the
older DSLR's - isn't that a penalty (tax)? Canon said it up front -
if you want certain lenses, you need certain bodies.
I don't need that kind of split second AF. I could do just fine, probably better, with manual focus if I had a split ring plus microprism focusing screen. I don't shoot fast action or sports, I shoot still life, portraits, and scenics. I'm not good enough to shoot sports and I couldn't afford the lenses for sports even if I had the inclination. I bet I'm not alone. One difference, I realize my limitations and purchase accordingly.
 

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