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Grevture said:
As a technical journalist I live of what I write and the images who
go along with the articles.

I have spent countless hours in various forums trying to explain to
people why I, for an example, do not like people scanning my articles
and put them on the web rather then buying the magazines that do pay
my salary. But usually to no avail. Many people seem to live by the
principle "if I can do it, it must be my God given right to do it!".

What is slightly amusing is the way this issue is discussed in this
forum ... I am quite certain many of those moaning and groaning that
Thom actually like people to be so kind to follow the copyright,
themselves would be outraged if someone started making copies of
their images ... But again that is of course a completely different
issue -- then it hits them and not someone else! :)
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Or more to the point, those who are so vocal and critical about something that they have no intention of purchasing.

I, for one, am grateful for people like Thom. I am now and will be a better photographer thanks to them.

So, thank you Thom. For all your efforts. For an excellent guide (My 2nd). And for putting up with internet nonsense.

--
Bob

“... I don't think that I'm better than you but I don't think that I'm worse...”
“...We barely have time to react in this world let alone rehearse...”
Ani DiFranco
 
and take some damn pictures....enough of this. Thom, I am one of the greatfull ones, any more insight into my camera, is worth more than I can put a price on. These people complaining about DRM and I making copies... you either bought it our you didn't...leave the people who are genuinely interested in photography wiith our Nikons and troll somewhere else.
Been using these forums for 7yrs now, and it makes me wonder why I stay around.

To most of you...READ MORE, POST LESS!!!
 
I truely like moderation and use of common sense. More than I like laws, although I respect them. By some means, the two have combined in your answer, mr. Hogan.
 
I wonder how a fine art photographer would feel about one of their prints being used multiple times. Say scan the print and make multiple copies so one can be at their vacation home, apartment in the city and of course each of their children need one too. Everybody would see that as illegal. For some reason, people think that books and e-books are fair game. I see no problem with people using the book as their personal reference. No matter how many copies they have. I do have a problem with selling or sharing copies. Just as one poster pointed out, you can steal a lot of things on the internet. Just because no one stops you, it doesn't make it right.
--
Respond to rudeness with civility, it really annoys them.

Regards,

JR
 
And another excellent guide Thom!

I just got mine yesterday, and I can’t wait to dig into it! Thanks again!

--

There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those that understand binary, and those that don't.
 
bob elkind said:
I saw the smiley, so don't worry that I'm disgruntled...

By all means, print the book... it's WAY easier to read in bed when
it's printed.

Speaking of TREE KILLING ==> subtle segue here...

The trees that are used to generate wood pulp, which is in turn used
to make paper, are trees that are otherwise worthless and which need
to be hauled off and burned or composted. In order to grow trees for
lumber or habitat, a managed woodland needs to be thinned. This lets
the remaining trees grow faster, taller, bigger, and stronger. In
short, conserving paper doesn't save trees. The raw material for
paper comes from using what is essentially wood waste, the discards
resulting from growing a healthy forest. Providing a market (i.e.
wood pulp) for the "garbage trees" helps offset the cost of woodlands
management.
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Oh yeah, and burning ethanol made from food grade corn reduces greenhouse gas emissions (not), reduces dependence upon "foreign oil" (not) and drives 3rd world nations further into poverty and starvation (fact). Good 'ole USA... only nation on the planet that burns food staple to fuel it's transportation fleet so it can keep 300,000 farmers fat dumb and happy on the land. Way to go!
bob elkind said:
Just thought you might be interested...

-- Bob Elkind (30 acres of trees, here)
Family,in/outdoor sports, landscape, wildlife
photo galleries at http://eteam.zenfolio.com
my relationship with my camera is strictly photonic
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--
Cheers.

...Please don't rub up against my glass...
 
RonHrl said:
Total cost at FedExKinko's, including covers and spiral binding for
the 769-page book, was $56.49. It took less than three hours from the
time I dropped it off until it was ready.
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I considered doing that two years ago with my D200 guide, but prices ranged from $300 for B&W to over $500 for color. I told them I’ve read reports of folks getting it done for $50, and they couldn’t figure out how to do that.

Maybe I should have tried another Kinkos.

--

There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those that understand binary, and those that don't.
 
The Nikon D70 and D200 owners' manuals (I don't own a D300) are written as reference books.

Thom's works are users' guides, with much more emphasis on how to use the camera effectively and creatively rather than (and in addition to) what all the knobs, dials, and menu settings do.

same difference as a dictionary vs. a book on creative writing (with examples).

Thom could explain it better than I could, which is yet another instance of Thom's talent for explaining stuff better than most other people :=)

-- Bob Elkind
Family,in/outdoor sports, landscape, wildlife
photo galleries at http://eteam.zenfolio.com
my relationship with my camera is strictly photonic
 
Your posting was even MORE off-topic than mine ! That wasn't easy to do !
:=)

-- Bob E
Family,in/outdoor sports, landscape, wildlife
photo galleries at http://eteam.zenfolio.com
my relationship with my camera is strictly photonic
 
Bob,

I was just getting ready to make that point as I was reading down this thread. I am always amazed on how many argue in this forum when they have not even looked at what they are argueing about.
bob elkind said:
I was going to suggest that perhaps a simple and briefer explanation
of the "print a copy" provisions would be helpful and useful, for
those (including myself) who ignore 1000-word tightly micro-formatted
and micro-packed EULA agreements of the type we've all seen before,

But then I looked at my copy of Thom's "Complete Guide to the Niikon
D200", and you can't get a whole lot simpler or plainer than what's
already there.

The font is the same size as the rest of the book, the terms are on
page 4 (after the title page, copyright notice, and acknowledgments),
they are clearly marked with an easily understood heading (e.g. Your
Rights versus Mine), and the guidelines (that's what Thom calls the
itemised list) consists of only 3 items.

I submit that anyone lacking the attention span to handle this
quarter-page section is likely to find the remaining 700+ pages (for
the D200 guide) well beyond their abilities.

-- Bob Elkind
Family,in/outdoor sports, landscape, wildlife
photo galleries at http://eteam.zenfolio.com
my relationship with my camera is strictly photonic
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--
Herb
 
justahack said:
bob elkind said:
I saw the smiley, so don't worry that I'm disgruntled...

By all means, print the book... it's WAY easier to read in bed when
it's printed.

Speaking of TREE KILLING ==> subtle segue here...

The trees that are used to generate wood pulp, which is in turn used
to make paper, are trees that are otherwise worthless and which need
to be hauled off and burned or composted. In order to grow trees for
lumber or habitat, a managed woodland needs to be thinned. This lets
the remaining trees grow faster, taller, bigger, and stronger. In
short, conserving paper doesn't save trees. The raw material for
paper comes from using what is essentially wood waste, the discards
resulting from growing a healthy forest. Providing a market (i.e.
wood pulp) for the "garbage trees" helps offset the cost of woodlands
management.
Click to expand...
Oh yeah, and burning ethanol made from food grade corn reduces
greenhouse gas emissions (not), reduces dependence upon "foreign oil"
(not) and drives 3rd world nations further into poverty and
starvation (fact). Good 'ole USA... only nation on the planet that
burns food staple to fuel it's transportation fleet so it can keep
300,000 farmers fat dumb and happy on the land. Way to go!
justahack said:
Just thought you might be interested...

-- Bob Elkind (30 acres of trees, here)
Family,in/outdoor sports, landscape, wildlife
photo galleries at http://eteam.zenfolio.com
my relationship with my camera is strictly photonic
Click to expand...
--
Cheers.

...Please don't rub up against my glass...
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While I agree with you about using corn to make ethanol. The U.S. is not alone. Brazil has a much larger commitment to ethanol using sugar cane. The use of corn for fuel is not the only factor driving higher food costs. More corn is being used in places like China to feed cattle. Their new found prosperity is driving demand for meat. There are many factors driving food costs. Not one simple factor.
--
Respond to rudeness with civility, it really annoys them.

Regards,

JR
 
Thankyou for replying in this thread I greatly respect that you took time to explain the position clearly. I sincerely apologise if i have offended anyone here. Thom, you are right, I did jump to conclusions. My arguments were not an attempt to discredit you in any way and were more out of frustration with digital media distribution in general that is becoming increasinly restrictive.

With the advances in technological it is clearly increasingly difficult to protect the rights of authors, such as yourself. Therefore, the counter measures have to developed accordingly. My initial post was thrown out there as a point of view to further add spice to the discussion and reflects my views (legal or not). My second post was more of a knee jerk reaction to the guy that accused me of being just a common thief. You clearly are a stand up guy and I enjoy visiting your website for your excellent reviews and commentary. Please accept my apologies
 
Leonard said:
HarryP said:
I am printing on my Canon inkjet as we speak...8-1/2 x 11.
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Can someone explain how to print 8 1/2 x 11 from the smaller original
file on the PDF?

Thank you.

Leonard
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Click on File / Print....
Then in the "page scaling" drop down box....

If you want to scale 1 page per 8 1/2" x 11" select "Fit to Printable area"

If you want to fit 2 (8 1/2" x 5 1/2") pages per 8 1/2" x 11" select "Multiple Pages per Sheet" Then in the pages per sheet textbox, type "2".

Then print
 
Thom Hogan said:
Gus McCrae said:
This is a perfect example of what Tort Law and Lawyers have done to
society. It's pretty pathetic really.
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Yes, it is.
Thom Hogan said:
No one needs a lecture in copyright laws.
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Actually, you'd be surprised at how many people don't understand
Copyright laws. This thread alone is a good example. We've got people
making all kinds of assumptions.
Thom Hogan said:
I bought the guide from Thom but haven't read the EULA (I don't have
time in my life to read all the lawyer speak that comes with
EVERYTHING!)
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Where the heck is this EULA that everyone keeps insisting I have?
There is none. What exists is an explanation in the eBook of exactly
what I believe the Copyright law and Fair Use allow. No more, no less.
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Perfect. Like I said, I didn't know if existed. I have become so desensitized to them I don't even check any more. You are a man after my own heart, let common sense be the guide and moral compass on what we all know is right or wrong. Thank you.
Thom Hogan said:
Thom Hogan said:
If indeed am breaking any law by printing a hard copy for me to read
from then I can tell you it will be the last guide from Thom I ever
purchase.
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Thom Hogan said:
And obviously you haven't read the section that says that you can
print a copy for your personal uses. I have no problems with that.
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That was a poorly worded paragraph by me and an even worse attempt to communicate what I was thinking. My apologies. I felt that you did support the right for a customer to print a personal copy. I thoroughly enjoy and value your guide and would/will purchase future references. Thank you.
Thom Hogan said:
--
Thom Hogan
editor, Nikon DSLR Report
author, Complete Guides: D40/D40x, D50, D70s, D80, D100, D200, D1
series, D2 series
http://www.bythom.com
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You can resell Thom's CD's as well, as long as you destroy any copies - paper or disk - that you have in your possession. Read his copyright.

--
pjs
'more is better'
 
Someone finally actually LOOKED AT THE BOOK!!! Will wonders never cease!

--
pjs
'more is better'
 
re: "copies for personal use (and by the way, I didn't say 1 copy) are fine as long as they are for your own personal use "

My copies of the F5 and the D200 manual say: "-I grant you specific permission to print or have printed by a third party A SINGLE COPY of the Ebook for your own private use"

Have you updated this to allow multiple copies so I can have one on my boat and my motorhome and my airplane? Thanks,

PS - I AM a fine art photographer, so I take copyright very seriously. It continues to amaze me how people believe they can steal my work for their own gain, personal or financial.

pjs
'more is better'
 
psandham said:
re: "copies for personal use (and by the way, I didn't say 1 copy)
are fine as long as they are for your own personal use "
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The problem with the language is that we are dealing with different types of copies and different audiences. And my response here was to a specific post remark.
psandham said:
My copies of the F5 and the D200 manual say: "-I grant you specific
permission to print or have printed by a third party A SINGLE COPY of
the Ebook for your own private use"
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Yes, many of my eBooks say just that. The reason for that isn't to restrict the user, but because I tell you to point to that section at Kinko's, Staples, Office Depot, etc. My lawyer and I argued about that line for awhile, but he insisted it needed to say something like that for printed copies that might be made by someone other than the purchasers (e.g. a service), less it be misinterpreted as a blanket ability to copy at will.
psandham said:
Have you updated this to allow multiple copies so I can have one on
my boat and my motorhome and my airplane? Thanks,
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I'll repeat what I've said elsewhere. I have no problems with copies that you make for yourself and for your convenience. The only time I'll ever object is if you keep a copy or copies when you pass the original to someone else, or if you pass a copy or copies to others and keep the original (this would include P2P file sharing).

--
Thom Hogan
editor, Nikon DSLR Report

author, Complete Guides: D40/D40x, D50, D70s, D80, D100, D200, D1 series, D2 series
http://www.bythom.com
 
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