Bringing people over to Pentax.

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The more I get out and shoot with my K10D and direct people to the photos i have taken they start asking more questions about Pentax. I always so it's the photographer, not the camera, but I can't really help but support the Pentax name. I've gotten about a dozen or so Canon users with relatively small investments in canon glass to switch to a Pentax system.

The cameras speak for themselves. If Pentax keeps delivering affordable superb cameras and supporting them with quality glass at reasonable prices they may be into something in the area of success.

Anyone else have Canon or nikon users look on their Pentax with envy?
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The more I get out and shoot with my K10D and direct people to the
photos i have taken they start asking more questions about Pentax. I
always so it's the photographer, not the camera, but I can't really
help but support the Pentax name. I've gotten about a dozen or so
Canon users with relatively small investments in canon glass to
switch to a Pentax system.

The cameras speak for themselves. If Pentax keeps delivering
affordable superb cameras and supporting them with quality glass at
reasonable prices they may be into something in the area of success.

Anyone else have Canon or nikon users look on their Pentax with envy?
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Yup, my friend got a 400D and he is pretty jealous on my K10d =)
 
Anyone else have Canon or nikon users look on their Pentax with envy?
I've actually had a lot of film Pentax shooters comment. I let 'em know that all their K-mount lenses will work fine with a digital body and will all have SR.

They're usually pretty excited to hear that.
 
Several C shooter friends have come over to Pentax......more will follow with the K20D coming on the scene. One sold his 40D because he said it felt "cheap and plastickly" compared to the K20D, and he liked the more natural pictures from the K20D, loved the SR too, and was able to get a few lenses he always wanted but couldn't afford in IS C lenses.
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The more I get out and shoot with my K10D and direct people to the
photos i have taken they start asking more questions about Pentax. I
always so it's the photographer, not the camera, but I can't really
help but support the Pentax name. I've gotten about a dozen or so
Canon users with relatively small investments in canon glass to
switch to a Pentax system.

The cameras speak for themselves. If Pentax keeps delivering
affordable superb cameras and supporting them with quality glass at
reasonable prices they may be into something in the area of success.

Anyone else have Canon or nikon users look on their Pentax with envy?
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People with their first $800 DSLR have no particular brand allegiance, and I'd expect the 14 MP sensor to generate some envy amongst those who would have been in a horsepower race years ago. Since K10D is no longer in production (but apparently the dealers still have old stock), this is not doing Pentax any good right now. They want to talk about K200D and K20D, and the expensive lenses.

The trick for any maker is to lock the buyers into the lens mount - that's "loyalty" based on dollars spent. The problem is to get the $800 buyer to spend more than the original investment, which is why you see Pentax and Samsung getting a fuller line of lenses out.

I've owned various M42's for over 40 years, and since Pentax was dominant there, I have Spotmatics. I prefer the Fujica ST701 for the brighter finder; but have nothing in the world against the Pentax, or Chinon, or Yashica TL Electro-X - they all had a character of their own.

With DSLR's that character is not as distinct, and IMO when the manufacturer is dealing with someone without a lens investment, they can lose that customer with the next model series. Certain high-level DSLR's are heavy and imposing, and too much for the untrained. At Photokina you'll see cameras with over 20 MP, likely from Sony and Samsung, and perhaps more - and that will spur another game of musical chairs for those without "legacy" glass who "buy specs".

What Pentax has always had going for it is "value at the price point", and as they really start improving things like the AF engine to create more expensive cameras, the high-end camera will have to cost more; especially with the drop in the U.S. dollar. They have to grow market share in order to spread those engineering costs amongst more units sold - which is why the Samsung deal made sense.

Getting the current Pentax owners, many of seem perfectly happy with 6 MP, to move UP and spend more is Pentax marketing's real problem.
 
I think the K200D and K20D is a good system base BUT...

Getting a fine set of lenses that deliver image quality seem to be what get people interested. Pentax's introduction of several new lenses including the upgraded kit lens is a positive start if they perform.

Heck, even the kit lens that came with my K110D is head and shoulders above the Canon kit lens I had.
 
Getting the current Pentax owners, many of seem perfectly happy with
6 MP, to move UP and spend more is Pentax marketing's real problem.
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(04-21)

LOS ANGELES Independent RPA in Santa Monica, Calif., has won creative and media duties for Pentax following a review, the agency said. Estimated billings are $10 million.

"This is a great brand with a long history of making great products," said Tom Kirk, evp, management account director at the shop. "We're looking forward to breathing new life into the brand. They've been a little quiet and lacked a strong Web presence."

"We believe RPA has the vision and resources to leverage the strong heritage of Pentax and reestablish our brand as a viable player in the U.S.," said client president Ned Bunnell.
 
I think the K200D and K20D is a good system base BUT...

Getting a fine set of lenses that deliver image quality seem to be
what get people interested. Pentax's introduction of several new
lenses including the upgraded kit lens is a positive start if they
perform.

Heck, even the kit lens that came with my K110D is head and shoulders
above the Canon kit lens I had.
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Agree fully - Pentax ALWAYS competed in M42 with the SMC Tak's, which could perform right up there with Nikon. The first series of PK's was the same optics as the last M42 SMC's; but then they started making "consumer" glass in PK, and the optical quality slipped in the name of cost savings.

There have been two editions of one of their newer "kit" lenses apparently to compensate for problems with the earlier lens - this can be a problem for K200D "kit" buyers where Pentax originally promised the "Level II" lens, but the dealers are still getting the original lens series.

IMO a tactical error was made in using older-tech screw-drive SDM to allow for "operation" on the older PK DSLR bodies, instead of biting the bullet and creating the much faster ring-DSM style, and forcing people prepared to spend $800 and up for a motorized lens to at least invest in the K100D Super. Pentax announced that there will be a newer ring-DSM lens (or lenses) available at some point. I don't see many people with 6 MP cameras spending $800 for motorized lenses.
 
My mom gave me her old Sears KSP with a ton of K-Mount manual glass about 7 years ago. She finally decided to get back into photography last year so we bought her a Canon xti as her first dslr because we believed she wouldn't understand all the new features that come with a digital body, and wanted something easy for her. Well she likes her camera and it does take decent photos... but everytime she see something from my K10 her response is "wow your camera really takes great photos" She isn't heavily invested in Canon glass so I KNOW her next camera she is coming back to Pentax. I just hope she won't want her old glass back!! Although that would give me a valid reason to feed my LBA...
 
The last time i went out with my K10D I only used my Super Takumer lenses. I brought my SMC Sup Tak 50 f1.4



The Super Takumar 28mm f3.5 is a decent performer as well.



And the 135 f3.5 did well even in glaring sunlight.





As long as i don't really NEED autofocus.....Well, I take those lenses, because they are fun to use, and very well constructed. When I have the super takumars on an old pentax film body, I'd feel comfortable throwing them as far as I could as long as it wasn't onto concrete.

Most new lenses don't feel so sturdy.
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The last time i went out with my K10D I only used my Super Takumer
lenses. I brought my SMC Sup Tak 50 f1.4

The Super Takumar 28mm f3.5 is a decent performer as well.

And the 135 f3.5 did well even in glaring sunlight.

As long as i don't really NEED autofocus.....Well, I take those
lenses, because they are fun to use, and very well constructed. When
I have the super takumars on an old pentax film body, I'd feel
comfortable throwing them as far as I could as long as it wasn't onto
concrete.

Most new lenses don't feel so sturdy.
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The AF confirm for these may not be as useful as manual focusing, and the Katz Eye screens are better than what Pentax put into the camera. I prefer a true microprism, which is not available for Pentax - KatzEye has a microprism collar around split image.

The 135mm f/3.5 is an extraordinary lens - I have the K-mount early edition.

To see someone using our old lenses on a DSLR:

http://galactinus.net/vilva/retro/eos350d_takumar5014.html

(Check his full list of lenses towards the bottom)

Also: http://www.taunusreiter.de/Cameras/Pentax_Takumar_e.html
 
I have found that stupid beep and red square to be quite accurate for me actually. I guess I have a pretty good eye, because I'd say 85% of the time when I just go by eye I get a perfectly focused image with the 50mm at f1.4. Of course when the lighting is less than satisfactory that percentage is a husk of what it is in good light.

Still.....spending almost 200 dollars just to get it right every time isn't really an option for me. I can just fire a shot zoom in and see if it's dead on, if not, shoot again.
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I have found that stupid beep and red square to be quite accurate for
me actually. I guess I have a pretty good eye, because I'd say 85% of
the time when I just go by eye I get a perfectly focused image with
the 50mm at f1.4. Of course when the lighting is less than
satisfactory that percentage is a husk of what it is in good light.

Still.....spending almost 200 dollars just to get it right every time
isn't really an option for me. I can just fire a shot zoom in and see
if it's dead on, if not, shoot again.
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... so long as the subject is not moving, and light levels are good enough ... that could be said for Pentax' own AF system as well. My eyes are not what they once were, and for portraits I prefer microprism by far.
 
I guess maybe I'll understand when I'm older =P

But I have had little problem focusing manually on birds in flight and other moving subjects. I shot bands performing with my old super takumar lenses wide open....okay so that was rather difficult....but it was still fun =P

You can get a feel for a manual lens. AF lenses really don't give you much to work with.
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I guess maybe I'll understand when I'm older =P

But I have had little problem focusing manually on birds in flight
and other moving subjects. I shot bands performing with my old super
takumar lenses wide open....okay so that was rather difficult....but
it was still fun =P

You can get a feel for a manual lens. AF lenses really don't give you
much to work with.
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Last rock club shoot I did was with the 85mm Super Tak f/1.9 and 50mm Super Tak f/1.4 at ISO 3200 on Ilford (2 stop push) with two Fujica ST701 bodies - 1/60th at f/2.8.

I have the Gossen Digital Flash/Ambient meter which reads in 1/10th stops, and has far more capability than any TTL system, using an incident reading. Focusing was not the problem so much as the artists jumping around; and no AF system will handle that particular situation. Pre-flash also won't work fast enough, so the x-sync socket on the K20D would be needed.
 
And with those lenses wide open when you nail a shot, it's almost always really awesome. It's almost worth the misses to get those near perfect few. I just don't get the same results using an AF lens, and I doubt I ever will.
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While not a hard core photographer, I like Pentax and I like to sell. Here is how I sell Pentax to others:

First I sell Pentax by emphasing the in camera shake reduction. It performs as well as in lens but works with all lenses. Thus it is much more cost effective (you pay hundreds more in each high quality lens with SR each time).

also note that in lens systems add elements which could lead to mis alignment as documented in the Potozone tests. I also point to other features and functions.
This differentiates Pentax from C/N.

Then I point to the Lenses. The Selection and value now is very good compared to Sony or other non C/N systems...

The conclusion: Buy Pentax.
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Best regards
Nick
 

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