advice needed on what to do with amazing shot

Kelly Munday

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Hi there,
I have a question that hopefully someone on here can help me answer?

I shot some amazing pictures yesterday of an American Bald Eagle attacking a Trumpeter swan in flight. I have a series of pictures that show the swan in flight and then the whole attack and are truley amazing shots. I shot with my Nikon D70 and 18-200 VR. The distance was 75 feet over my head so the whole frame needs to be cropped a bit to eliminate too much sky, but the end result is a spectacular photo. EVERY one I have shown the photos to says I need to do something with them...but I have no idea where to start? I don't really want to enter a photo contest, but if someone is willing to buy the photos then great, if not then I would enter a photo contest if that's all I could do....

I would appreciate any suggestions on how to sell these or ????

if anyone wants to see them, email me and I will send you a copy to review.

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Congratulations. Really amazing shots.

Register them first and send small copies and the story of your shot
to some nature magazines.

Sell to the most respected one who wants them.
 
I am amazed that I was able to even get these shots. I was in a jetboat traveling approx 40 mph and quickly grabbed my camera to shoot the passing swan. The eagle came out of nowhere and wham...it all happened so fast. I have emailed a few magazines. How do you "register" a shot?

also...the clarity isn't "perfect" as I was moving so fast when I shot these...what is your opinion of the shots???
 
Great action. Glad I saw them, but...

I would remove them from Pbase: magazines buy the exclusivity and or the news value of your pictures. Having them in the public domain diminishes their value.

I agree with George RL and Yuksel P about not selling off the rights to your pictures. Just sell them to a magazine to get them published and let them have, say 6 months or so, to use them in related publicity and guaranty them the exclusivity for that period. After that, you are free to do with them again what you want.

So sent small examples to a few well known magazines in this field. And in my experience it won't be necessary to register them. Those magazines would never dream of and risk 'steeling' them.
 
I would remove them from Pbase: magazines buy the exclusivity and or
the news value of your pictures. Having them in the public domain
diminishes their value.
Absolutely. I totally agree with that.

Secondly personally I didn't think the photos were that great. Nothing jumps out at me at all. In fact they look quite dull, boring. Maybe they would be of interest to someone who is interested in orithology, but to someone like me, who has no special interest they don't. But -

Perhaps if I were to see those phots cropped and printed full A4 in a magazine then they may have a completely different impact. Then I might be stunned by them. But as they stand

So first question, is the quality high enough to be presented to a magazine at full page resolution when cropped?

If so, then I would crop them, and get them over to some people. (magazines)

But don't be too suprised if you get a lot of rejections because you only have a few photos and not a whole portfolio when it comes to dealing with stock.
 
I think not. First someones says 'register' them. What's he talking about, register them with who or what? You don't need to register them.

Secondly an answer says copyright them. Good grief, they are automatically copyrighted. You own the images.

Then someone says don't put them on the internet. I semi agree hear and would have put smaller versions up, but they are only about 1MB and not big enough for serious reproduction so I think you are ok there.

As someone else has stated i would approach wildlife mags, email the editors and send them the link so that they can see them. Get their phone numbers and ring them up after a day or so if they do not reply to your email.
Good luck.
Jules

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The distance
was 75 feet over my head so the whole frame needs to be cropped a bit
to eliminate too much sky,
Just how much is "a bit"? What are the pixel dimensions of the resulting images? How large can they be printed?

A 6MP image cropped very much will quickly become too small for anything but personal prints. A magazine is going to need more than you may have.

Hate to say it, but this may be one of those cases where a do-all walkaround lens just isn't enough. Bet you were wishing for a 200-400VR about then eh? I know I would be.

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I think not.
Well, you got that one right. It's all down hill from here.
First someones says 'register' them. What's he talking
about, register them with who or what? You don't need to register
them.
Secondly an answer says copyright them. Good grief, they are
automatically copyrighted. You own the images.
One and 2 are the same. Registering them with the copyright office provides the OP with much deeper potection in case of violations. So, they should be registered.
Then someone says don't put them on the internet. I semi agree hear
and would have put smaller versions up, but they are only about 1MB
and not big enough for serious reproduction so I think you are ok
there.
How can you sell exclusive rights to an image that is on the internet where anyone can download them?
As someone else has stated i would approach wildlife mags, email the
editors and send them the link so that they can see them. Get their
phone numbers and ring them up after a day or so if they do not reply
to your email.
Send them a link to the pbase account? Oh, god! Don't do that!! "Exclusivity" is all over at that point.

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Thanks to all that have replied.

I know that the photos aren't perfect I am not blind...they were a fluke shot taken when I was in a jetboat travelling fast and happened to see what was happening above. I was on the lake, not a park, so am not infringing on any protected lands.... yeah it sucks that I only have a medicore lens the 18-200 VR lens, but at 1G that was all I could afford...I only posted the compressed jpeg with a watermark of sorts on pbase...didn't think that it would be that usable in that manner...but who knows..maybe someone wants to photoshop the name out and use it.

I came here for advice not be be trashed..so sorry riddell if I am not up to your standards.....but please get your terms right it is NOT "interested in orithology"
it is "ornithology"

for those that gave good advice, thank you, I think I will just enter in a photo contest...
 
I came here for advice not be be trashed..so sorry riddell if I am
not up to your standards.....
It has nothing to do with my standards. In fact you really shouldn't care less what mine, or anyone else's on a web forum standards are.

Nor am I trashing you, I am simply giving you good advise based on experience.

The standards you WILL have to match up to though are those of the magazine / agency / or whatever you wish to sell the image to.

and from what I saw (though it is difficult to tell at such a small size) your images are not of a high enough quality for a lot of magazines / stock agencies / etc.
 
for those that gave good advice, thank you, I think I will just enter
in a photo contest...
Kelly, I viewed your originals on pbase. You may not want to hear this, but I wouldn't recommend entering them in a photo contest. As you know, what makes these photos notable is the CONTENT -- not the PHOTOGRAPHY. You were out with kicking-around equipment, saw something amazing, and worked with what you had to grab some shots and record the moment.

The moment is notable; your effort is notable; the photos, AS PHOTOS, are not really. Photo contest judges won't care about how lousy your shooting conditions are and how skilled or fortunate you were to walk away with anything at all. They won't be impressed with how well you maximized a lens that didn't have enough reach for the subject. They'll be comparing your images based on the kind of criteria that riddell (I think) pointed out -- sharpness, composition, clarity of the subject -- and the better competition in photo contests will blow your images away in THOSE categories. Unless you find a very specialized, vertical-interest photo contest that would value your unique subject matter over any photographic criteria, which is possible but would take some research.

The trick here is to figure out what venues measure submissions in a manner that's most favorable to what you have. Ornithology-related journals are not a bad idea. Given the smallish subject, you might have a better chance at screen display than print. Online journals? Google some likely terms, such as
"bald eagle"
"trumpeter swan"
predatory migratory birds

... and you'll find a handful of possibilities -- scientific journals, government studies, library collections. Probably not a lot of revenue-generating prospects, but you never know.

Another possible venue is one of your local television stations or a local newspaper's online edition. You have a subject of local interest in these photos. Not all of them pay for reader/viewer submissions, but one of them might.

The trouble is, these aren't amazing photos; they're average photos of an amazing subject. Sorry to say that, but you know it too. That's not a criticism of you; your shooting conditions weren't a big help, and I think you did a good job under those conditions. But advertisers and magazines really don't care how difficult the shooting conditions were or give you "sympathy points" for not being able to afford better gear; they care about getting an image that's usable for their purpose, which means it needs to meet fairly stringent criteria for sharpness and resolution among other things. So you'd need to find an outlet that values your amazing subject and doesn't care that the photos themselves are average.

People have made plenty of money (or at least generated plenty of revenue) from average or even mediocre photos of historic events; e.g., the WTC attack, the Iwo Jima flag-raising, the Kennedy assassination. You have an event that has less mass interest, but the market may be out there. If you research your subject thoroughly and target the key players in that vertical interest, you might have a shot at a decent sale.

I do agree with the others who recommended removing your images from pbase, for the same reasons they stated: Exclusivity and potential copyright infringement. And registering your images with the Library of Congress would indeed make it easier for you to demonstrate ownership if you were ever to take action on a copyright infringement case.

Edit: You might maximize the potential of this image series by compositing the interesting parts of all the photos together (e.g., a sequence in a grid). That way it would be one image that has the impact of all 6-7 of them combined, and the size of the subject (relative to the frame) wouldn't detract as much.

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Web Geek - thanks for all your input. I know that the photos aren't technically perfect...I knew that while I was shooting them... I have shot enought to know the conditions I was under wouldn't produce clear shots...moving..wide open aperture...but I tried anyways and captures like you say..an amazing subject with just a medicore shot. So I should have titled my post as "amazing subject" not "amazing photo" I guess I got caught up in the moment. These photos are interesting in a scientific way as it is not every day one witnesses a full grown Trumpeter swan being taken down by a bird less than half his size.

BTW I did remove them from pbase, not that it really matters as they weren't likely to be used or wanted by anyone...just more of me wanting an opinion on them. I will add them to my ornithology collection....

I might just enter thse in a photo contest as some of the others winners I have seen over the years are not great either...but win based on content not technical details. I won a contest 2 years ago submitting a so so picture of my son fishing...but the judges chose it for some reason....the prize was a week at a fishing lodge valued at $1000 so it was worth entering it even though I knew the picture wasn't "technically" good... I won!!
 
Chad I'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about. have you actually sold any pictures. i have lived by selling photographs for the last twenty years.
I can't be bothered to answer your comments below.
Jules
I think not.
Well, you got that one right. It's all down hill from here.
First someones says 'register' them. What's he talking
about, register them with who or what? You don't need to register
them.
Secondly an answer says copyright them. Good grief, they are
automatically copyrighted. You own the images.
One and 2 are the same. Registering them with the copyright office
provides the OP with much deeper potection in case of violations.
So, they should be registered.
Then someone says don't put them on the internet. I semi agree hear
and would have put smaller versions up, but they are only about 1MB
and not big enough for serious reproduction so I think you are ok
there.
How can you sell exclusive rights to an image that is on the internet
where anyone can download them?
As someone else has stated i would approach wildlife mags, email the
editors and send them the link so that they can see them. Get their
phone numbers and ring them up after a day or so if they do not reply
to your email.
Send them a link to the pbase account? Oh, god! Don't do that!!
"Exclusivity" is all over at that point.

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